hitting a slow low underspin serve or shot with a 2handed bh

lendl lives

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Bungalo and friends,

i'm having trouble playing pushers who hit low slow underspin shots to my backhand. on the serve i can't seem to get my 2 handed bh on the ball and i fall into a pattern of slicing it back. problem is the serve has no pace and i'm not used to generating my own power on a slice return of serve. also i'm having problems slicing these bh's down the line. during rallies this low slow underspin shot to my bh also makes it difficult to hit. so i end up slicing, again i'm not used to generating my own (or all the power) on my slice back hand.

i don't have these problems against players who hit the ball. my timing is all off against some of the pushers i've come acroos lately. wheew.
 
Stand in closer. If they hit a slow slice, take it in the air with a drive. (Practice at a backboard until you master it.)

On the service return, again, stand in closer. Then the wide shots won't be so far away.
 
Remember that slices are usually lower to the ground (some may have sidespin and they usually don't bounce like a normal topspin shot). Make sure you bend your knees and follow through, brush up on the ball.
 
The one thing pushers do to players that are technically better then them is test their footwork and their ability to get a jump on the ball.

If your used to playing players that hit with some pace, you will sort of know where to be and respond to the ball as your used to.

When you play a pusher, the pace, depth, and angle of the ball is not what your used to so you havent conditioned yourself to respond or anticipate their balls.

The above posters gave you good advice on how to hit the ball and where to stand. Since the pusher doesn't hit with pace, he can hit higher over the net (sort of a lob groundstroke) and push balls to different parts of the court.

You can stand in closer to take the service return but that will now test your timing and confidence taking a ball in a different place even though this is what your suppose to do. If your not used to it your mind starts talking to itself trying to adjust and gain confidence. Your confidence can falter if you dont make several returns back from this position and you begin thinking it is hopeless trying to return anything off this lousy player! LOL so you begin experimenting which is naturally taking you out of your game.

Usually you can beat pushers by playing the cat and mouse game (bring them up to the net, then lob over their backhand) or with your footwork. If you dont have good footwork and footspeed you will lose to a lot of them.

When hitting your slice I wouldnt care to much about pace. I would care about placement even if the pusher gets to the ball.

Pushers like any other player has tendencies. If your in good shape, you can beat a pusher with your conditioning. Either way, prepare for a long day at the office.
 
Thanks Guys,


"When you play a pusher, the pace, depth, and angle of the ball is not what your used to so you havent conditioned yourself to respond or anticipate their balls"

B,

again you seem to understand exactly what i'm thinking. everything you've said is right on. a friend told me i need to drop shot and lob. do you have any tips for the drop shot since i've never hit or practiced it.


"You can stand in closer to take the service return but that will now test your timing and confidence taking a ball in a different place even though this is what your suppose to do."

-the thing about standing in closer on the serve and the whole issue of timing is one reason i was thinking about switching to an os raquet.

this guy i played was the best pusher i've ever seen. damn. it was a four hour three set match on a super slow court. it funny because it seems like there a more pushers out their than conventional players. a friend of mine who is also a very good player (former college player) was joking with me about our lose to a pusher. He says, "yeah just give me a sitting forehand, bllaaahhhh (pointing his hand to the ground)" I laughed and said i've given you some sitting forehands (he'd always smashed them on me)" He said, "not the way these guys make um sit". LOL.

I still mainly play doubles but my singles endurance is getting better since i've come back to the game in November...
 
lendl lives said:
Thanks Guys,


"When you play a pusher, the pace, depth, and angle of the ball is not what your used to so you havent conditioned yourself to respond or anticipate their balls"

B,

again you seem to understand exactly what i'm thinking. everything you've said is right on. a friend told me i need to drop shot and lob. do you have any tips for the drop shot since i've never hit or practiced it.


"You can stand in closer to take the service return but that will now test your timing and confidence taking a ball in a different place even though this is what your suppose to do."

-the thing about standing in closer on the serve and the whole issue of timing is one reason i was thinking about switching to an os raquet.

this guy i played was the best pusher i've ever seen. damn. it was a four hour three set match on a super slow court. it funny because it seems like there a more pushers out their than conventional players. a friend of mine who is also a very good player (former college player) was joking with me about our lose to a pusher. He says, "yeah just give me a sitting forehand, bllaaahhhh (pointing his hand to the ground)" I laughed and said i've given you some sitting forehands (he'd always smashed them on me)" He said, "not the way these guys make um sit". LOL.

I still mainly play doubles but my singles endurance is getting better since i've come back to the game in November...

1. do you have any tips for the drop shot since i've never hit or practiced it.

A. Well I dont really mean a drop shot but a ball that makes them come in and have to hit up on the ball. So it can be anything like a short sliced ball which includes a drop shot. Once they are about to hit the ball you are ready to move in a step and lob over there backhand side. You are basically nuetralizing their play and setting yourself up for a winning shot. If they start anticipating it then mix it up, lob over their forehand side. Just run the hell out of them. If they are quick try and hit behind them if your rallys are more side to side.

When you practice a drop shot try and get the ball to land at least three times without going past the service line and at least two times in legal play. Practice, practice, practice. This will develop your touch. If you are deep in the court, try two times. In other words, your drop shot needs to die on the court once it bounces the first time.

2. -the thing about standing in closer on the serve and the whole issue of timing is one reason i was thinking about switching to an os raquet.

A. It is not the racquet. Sorry. :) Timing is timing. If your meeting the ball at the right time you can still hit it off the frame. It does not mean your timing is off. It means your not tracking the ball into the strings. Your focal vs. peripheral vision is untrained. If your way ahead of the ball or late, that is timing. A smaller racquet will discipline your focus and your head being still on contact. If you dont want to practice this so much, then maybe you can look at a OS. Since you play doubles it might not be a bad idea. I use a 93 sq. inch head size and play doubles becuase of my knees arent what they used to be. At times, I think the head size is huge. But I am used to it as well. ;)

3. this guy i played was the best pusher i've ever seen. damn. it was a four hour three set match on a super slow court. it funny because it seems like there a more pushers out their than conventional players. a friend of mine who is also a very good player (former college player) was joking with me about our lose to a pusher. He says, "yeah just give me a sitting forehand, bllaaahhhh (pointing his hand to the ground)" I laughed and said i've given you some sitting forehands (he'd always smashed them on me)" He said, "not the way these guys make um sit". LOL.

A. Well a x-college player should be able to pounce on a pusher if an x-college player is in shape and confident in his shots. I wouldnt worry to much about him comparing what he would have done to what you did. Everyone has to start out somewhere and everyone has trouble against certain styles of play. Talk is always cheap.

Overall, conditioning is key. If your in shape you will have confidence in yoru shots. If your in shape, tennis gets a bit eaiser to play. Your timing, your focus, your willingness to take chances, your motivation to play longer points increases - and most importantly tennis gets a lot more fun.
 
tks bungalo,

about the return of those slow skidding underspin serves to my backhand. it really threw me off. I stood way in but couldn't get a hold of it consistently with my two hander. i always though agassi used an OS raquet to hit balls on the rise easier (serves and groundies). what do you think?
 
not used to pusher's strokes

It's true that pushers make you play worse than you should, because you're not used to their way of hitting. The reason you don't see pushers on the tour is that it is easier to learn to handle their shots than normal shots -- IF you take the time to learn to do so.

For example, you mentioned that he hits a short, heavily spun serve that he can place very wide. If you have a partner who is also serious about improving, see whether he can duplicate that serve (say, by standing in close and spinning the ball softly). Then, ask him to hit them to you for an hour while you practice standing in close to kill them.

If you don't have such a partner, maybe you can use a backboard to simulate the serve. Hit a ball at the ground in front of the wall to make it bounce up high and soft, and to the side. Then use your backhand to smack it at a designated spot on the wall. Pick up the ball and do it again. (OK, so the wall ball you practice killing will have underspin, while his serve will have top or sidespin. But at least you'll have lots of practice moving in to kill balls that are short, high and wide. It's a start.)
 
lendl lives said:
tks bungalo,

about the return of those slow skidding underspin serves to my backhand. it really threw me off. I stood way in but couldn't get a hold of it consistently with my two hander. i always though agassi used an OS raquet to hit balls on the rise easier (serves and groundies). what do you think?

I dont know. This is probably the one area in tennis I am a bit prejudice in. Maybe it is because when I was 6 years old my first racquet had a tiny head on it and in high school I played with a T.A. Davis (TAD) classic which had a small head and thought it was weird (real weird) to see Prince come out during those days with those monster size heads around high school time.

I understand the theory but just never looked into them. However, if it is good enough for Agassi, why not give it a try.

I think you will fair better by working on your conditioning vs. the racquet.
 
tks, bungalo. btw i am using yonex mp tour 90 and pc standard at 65lbs.

frank, YES taking the time to beat that game is key. thing is i don't know any pushers and am just getting back into competitvie play. i know i can kill these serves but your right i got to take the time to practice on them. have you ever noticed people of lesser skill hit those skidding low serves, first and seconds? better players put spin on it the pops the ball up. this is what frustrates me about these guys. i'm gonna practice the shots though.
 
lendl lives said:
tks, bungalo. btw i am using yonex mp tour 90 and pc standard at 65lbs.

frank, YES taking the time to beat that game is key. thing is i don't know any pushers and am just getting back into competitvie play. i know i can kill these serves but your right i got to take the time to practice on them. have you ever noticed people of lesser skill hit those skidding low serves, first and seconds? better players put spin on it the pops the ball up. this is what frustrates me about these guys. i'm gonna practice the shots though.

I demoed the Yonex Tour 90 Mid and MidPlus. I had some nice moments and some not so nice moments. For me, it seemed that it had some dead spots on it. Racquet went real dead on some off center shots. In other words, it played small. But I know several people that like the racquet.

The Volkl Tour 10 answered a lot of questions. Very forgiving racquet for the head size. They dont make it any more though. In fact, I havent altered the racquet at all. The Volkl Tour 10 "93" plays larger then its head size.

The other racquet I recently demoed is the new Wilson Prostaff 95. That is a very nice racquet but had a tad to much power for me.

Anyway, try putting some lead tape on the frame at 3 and 9 o'clock and get the racquet to play a little larger, this might give you more confidence on hitting balls earlier. By adding lead tape you will widen the sweetspot without affecting the swingweight.
 
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