Hitting on the Rise
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Bagumbawalla
Talk Tennis Guru
There is not a lot of information, here about your level of play and so forth.
I have a feeling that, though it is good that you want to push yourself to hit on the rise, you should strive to perfect your normal stroke first-- because a normal topped drive is the basis for hitting on the rise.
The main difference is you have to get to the ball sooner, bend lower, and excercise better anticipation and timing than with your normal stroke.
From what you imply, I think you are simply scooping at low balls and not really hitting through them with a clean, foreful stroke (like your normal stroke should be.
So, perfect your topspin drive, then move forward, get down, anticipate with great timing and thit solidly through the ball (which will be a blur) with a good idea of where you want it to go.
And practice, practice, practice,
B
I have a feeling that, though it is good that you want to push yourself to hit on the rise, you should strive to perfect your normal stroke first-- because a normal topped drive is the basis for hitting on the rise.
The main difference is you have to get to the ball sooner, bend lower, and excercise better anticipation and timing than with your normal stroke.
From what you imply, I think you are simply scooping at low balls and not really hitting through them with a clean, foreful stroke (like your normal stroke should be.
So, perfect your topspin drive, then move forward, get down, anticipate with great timing and thit solidly through the ball (which will be a blur) with a good idea of where you want it to go.
And practice, practice, practice,
B
Um, I'm about a 3.5 player and, according to my summer camp coach, the only thing keeping me from being 4.0 is my horrendous serve. Thanks for the advice, it makes sense now that I think about it. I never really finish strokes when I hit on the rise like I do when I hit the ball at its tip.
Sorry for the double post but I am 15 years old and have been playing for around a year. Also I had to mostly self teach myself because our high school team has a lot of people and the coach didn't have time to focus on all of us. I just recently got some sort of organized training in a summer camp I started but I had already figured out top spin and just need to work on hitting it a bit deeper which is something else I have a problem with. My topspin strokes now are penetrating and fast but not deep, what can I do to change this?
Off The Wall
Semi-Pro
Serve?
A ball that flies high and lands quickly seems contradictory.
Anyway, from your subsequent posts, maybe you should seek help with your serve.
A ball that flies high and lands quickly seems contradictory.
Anyway, from your subsequent posts, maybe you should seek help with your serve.
Bagumbawalla
Talk Tennis Guru
15, and a 3.5 after only a year. That is quite good for so short a time. Many sports, gymnastics, golf, swimming...absolutely require lessons to progress. For some reason tennis players always feel they can go it alone.
So, my advice, if you want to progress and can afford it and are serious aboout the game for the long haul-- look for some lessons, somehow.
Rather than playing games/sets, use most of your practice time to practice and drill and perfect your strokes and tactics. Set up a program with your practice parther to drill all the shots-- over and over.
Definitely work on your serve and your second serve as well.
Good luck,
B
So, my advice, if you want to progress and can afford it and are serious aboout the game for the long haul-- look for some lessons, somehow.
Rather than playing games/sets, use most of your practice time to practice and drill and perfect your strokes and tactics. Set up a program with your practice parther to drill all the shots-- over and over.
Definitely work on your serve and your second serve as well.
Good luck,
B
Bagumbawalla
Talk Tennis Guru
Oh, I forgot, the hitting deeper part.
There are basically three aspects to controling the flight/placeement of the ball.
Without event thinking, I'm sure you know they are the SPEED with which the racket strikes the ball, the type and amount of spin you impart to the ball, and the trajectory (height/direction) you hit the ball over the net.
If the swing speed and spin remain the same, then the higher you hit the ball over the net, the deeper it will go.
If the speed and height remain the same, then the more topspin, the shorter it will land in the opposite court.
If the height and spin remain the same, then you have to hit the ball harder (faster) to get it deeper.
This is a problem, we are finding a lot lately. People are trying to hit "heavy" topspin (like Nadal) but are not compensating in the other areas. so, either they hit short or they hit deep moonballs.
So, most likely, you need to hit harder or with less topspin or higher (with the danger of it becoming a moonball).
My suggestion: take some topspin off. Hit more through the ball-- low to high and firmly in the sweetspot. The act of hitting low to high and THROUGH THE BALL, not "brushing" up on it. will give uou pkentyof topspeed AND depth.
Good luck,
B
There are basically three aspects to controling the flight/placeement of the ball.
Without event thinking, I'm sure you know they are the SPEED with which the racket strikes the ball, the type and amount of spin you impart to the ball, and the trajectory (height/direction) you hit the ball over the net.
If the swing speed and spin remain the same, then the higher you hit the ball over the net, the deeper it will go.
If the speed and height remain the same, then the more topspin, the shorter it will land in the opposite court.
If the height and spin remain the same, then you have to hit the ball harder (faster) to get it deeper.
This is a problem, we are finding a lot lately. People are trying to hit "heavy" topspin (like Nadal) but are not compensating in the other areas. so, either they hit short or they hit deep moonballs.
So, most likely, you need to hit harder or with less topspin or higher (with the danger of it becoming a moonball).
My suggestion: take some topspin off. Hit more through the ball-- low to high and firmly in the sweetspot. The act of hitting low to high and THROUGH THE BALL, not "brushing" up on it. will give uou pkentyof topspeed AND depth.
Good luck,
B
JamesBlaze
New User
that is sound advice, thanks b
Ethan
New User
i like to hit on the rise cuz my tennis buddies like to smash alot and if i don't hit on the rise it usually bouces too high for me to return even when the ball comes down cuz by then ill be at the bak fence LOL but the return on the rise is very fast when i hit it except tats just sometimes most time i just miss the hit or it hits the net (><)
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
It sounds like you are brushing too much to get it over the net.
Hitting the ball on the rise uses a "flatter" stroke. It is still low to high but it is not exaggerated. It uses that 30 degree rise that Braden talks about and I think was shown on a recent thread. Maybe one of the posters can find it for you.
When hitting on the rise you should pretend you are hitting through three balls. In other words, go through the ball.
TennsDog
Hall of Fame
I find that I don't tend to watch the ball all the way to the strings on my normal groundstrokes (I'm more consistent if I don't), but I also tend to make more consistently clean contact on the rise if I do watch the ball longer. The timing is no doubt harder, but the key is to not let up. Hit a full stroke and don't slow down your swing. Like the rest of tennis, it is important to have confidence in what you're doing. Act like you're attacking the ball, which shouldn't be hard, because that is what you're doing.
TheSneakerologist
Rookie
Are you kidding me? most ATP pros have a difficult time taking shots off the rise. The timing has to be absolutely perfect or it will for sure sail long or into the net.
TennsDog
Hall of Fame
Very helpful. He didn't say he wants to do it all the time or it will make him a great player. He just asked for some help on improving the effectiveness of hitting on the rise. It's not an impossible feat, and any decent recreational player should be able to put them back in play, while a slightly better player should be able to do something with them.
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
MOST pros have DIFFICULTY hitting on the rise? LOL That is a staple amongst them! Hitting on the rise is what pros do!
Loco4Tennis
Hall of Fame
Hitting on the rise,, not that easy to do
i agree, hitting on the rise is very diffcult for most poeple, think about it,
you need to be in possition, not recovering from your shoot,
you need to be able to anticipate returns both placement and speed (not easy when basics are given you trouble still),
but my favorite of all is, you have to have nerves of steel to move towards the oncoming train (the ball), albeit not much in most cases, just a step,
and finnally timing your shoot where you want to hit the ball,
this is a very effective tool to learn, but not easy to pull off by any means,
their is a lot of timing and self control thats needed here
i agree, hitting on the rise is very diffcult for most poeple, think about it,
you need to be in possition, not recovering from your shoot,
you need to be able to anticipate returns both placement and speed (not easy when basics are given you trouble still),
but my favorite of all is, you have to have nerves of steel to move towards the oncoming train (the ball), albeit not much in most cases, just a step,
and finnally timing your shoot where you want to hit the ball,
this is a very effective tool to learn, but not easy to pull off by any means,
their is a lot of timing and self control thats needed here
This link might help: check out agassi's forehand. It doesnt show everything but it does give you an idea of how a compact stroke and contact at shoulder looks like.
http://www.playerdevelopment.usta.com/pdmediabooks/players.asp
http://www.playerdevelopment.usta.com/pdmediabooks/players.asp
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Which is why most pros CAN hit on the rise. I think you miss understood me.
Plus, hitting on the rise can also mean hitting the ball at its apex. Hitting on the rise can actually improve your ability to cover court since you are not so far back. It is also easier to hit more consistently since the ball rises into your preferred strike zone vs. dropping into to it. When a player learns they can hit on the rise, improve their consistency, and hit more relaxed - they will embrace it.
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bad_call
Legend
Which is why most pros CAN hit on the rise. I think you miss understood me.
Plus, hitting on the rise can also mean hitting the ball at its apex. Hitting on the rise can actually improve your ability to cover court since you are not so far back. It is also easier to hit more consistently since the ball rises into your preferred strike zone vs. dropping into to it. When a player learns they can hit on the rise, improve their consistency, and hit more relaxed - they will embrace it.
oh...embrace it...i like this post.
Loco4Tennis
Hall of Fame
Which is why most pros CAN hit on the rise. I think you miss understood me.
Plus, hitting on the rise can also mean hitting the ball at its apex. Hitting on the rise can actually improve your ability to cover court since you are not so far back. It is also easier to hit more consistently since the ball rises into your preferred strike zone vs. dropping into to it. When a player learns they can hit on the rise, improve their consistency, and hit more relaxed - they will embrace it.
i played this weekend at the public courts, often times i'll end up playing with people who hit very soft or with no topspin what so ever, so im carefull my shoots fall short into the net with all the topspin i put on the shoot, i end up having to hit the ball about 3+ feet over the net with topspin to avoid this, anyways, i got to try this out, by hitting on the rise i found the control on those soft returns
Bungalo Bill
G.O.A.T.
Keep going with it, you will find it is easier to setup for the ball, you will hit more consistently taking more balls in the strike zone, and your awareness and alertness will improve. Another, benefit is your putaway shots will become more consistent as you will get to them quicker!
