NolemurraY
Rookie
Filmed some more of me hitting today, worked on exploding into the ball more. Thanks again for any tips/comments/feedback.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INz6HgjSBUs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INz6HgjSBUs
Hitting, part 4
- Thread starter NolemurraY
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forthegame
Hall of Fame
Wow, great hitting IMHO. I wish I could hit with your strokes.
You look very Berdych - like in your strokes. Natural fluidity to your backhand.
My comment: kind of strokes I DREAM to have!
BoL!
You look very Berdych - like in your strokes. Natural fluidity to your backhand.
My comment: kind of strokes I DREAM to have!
BoL!
dozu
Banned
I am very impressed!
this is night and day compared to the first video.... tempo is so much better, the loading and the unloading, everything is smooth.. and there is no fighting against the gravity or your own body.....
this hitting video is a proof of that if you don't fight against gravity or anatomy, and stay in balance, you will almost never miss a ball.
so good!
and your partner got a lot better too (if it's the same partner)..... tell him to keep his wrist firm on the slices... he has a tendency to drop it, causing a couple of slices into the net.
you have great tennis IQ.. you received feedbacks and implemented in your game with such rapid progress.... congrats!
you can progress more by finding better partners.. but seems your current one progressed very fast also... you guys can push each other to much higher intensity.
well done.
this is night and day compared to the first video.... tempo is so much better, the loading and the unloading, everything is smooth.. and there is no fighting against the gravity or your own body.....
this hitting video is a proof of that if you don't fight against gravity or anatomy, and stay in balance, you will almost never miss a ball.
so good!
and your partner got a lot better too (if it's the same partner)..... tell him to keep his wrist firm on the slices... he has a tendency to drop it, causing a couple of slices into the net.
you have great tennis IQ.. you received feedbacks and implemented in your game with such rapid progress.... congrats!
you can progress more by finding better partners.. but seems your current one progressed very fast also... you guys can push each other to much higher intensity.
well done.
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Kenny022593
Professional
Your forehand looks kind of like Gasquet's to me. Big take back. It looks nice. 
mathieu
Rookie
Uhh, no. There is a seriously long lagging period on the forehand, breaking the flow of the preparation. It is one reason why many of his forehands sail long with little spin. Needs more improvement.
Big improvement! Hitting is much smoother, and you ably mix flat with spinny shots on your FH wing.
As you separate your left hand from the racquet, you want your left hand moving forward rather than backward. This will tighten up your backswing, which right now has a lax beginning that doesn't help your power or timing.
Footwork's kind of a jumble right now. Your inside foot kind of obstructs the flow of your swing.
2H BH is pretty good. Some suggestions that you may or may want to add.
1) A lot of pros hit the ball with a bent/straight arm configuration. If you bring the right arm "down" (or under the ball) as you prepare your 2H BH, that'll give you the swing shape for a bent/straight 2H BH.
2) Tuck your right elbow a bit more into the right side of your body as you take the racquet back. This will tighten up your backswing and give your left arm more freedom to swing.
3) Dip your front shoulder a little, which improves your drive through the ball.
4) Remember to stride.
As you separate your left hand from the racquet, you want your left hand moving forward rather than backward. This will tighten up your backswing, which right now has a lax beginning that doesn't help your power or timing.
Footwork's kind of a jumble right now. Your inside foot kind of obstructs the flow of your swing.
2H BH is pretty good. Some suggestions that you may or may want to add.
1) A lot of pros hit the ball with a bent/straight arm configuration. If you bring the right arm "down" (or under the ball) as you prepare your 2H BH, that'll give you the swing shape for a bent/straight 2H BH.
2) Tuck your right elbow a bit more into the right side of your body as you take the racquet back. This will tighten up your backswing and give your left arm more freedom to swing.
3) Dip your front shoulder a little, which improves your drive through the ball.
4) Remember to stride.
NolemurraY
Rookie
Wow, cheers for the feedback guys/girls. I didn't expect such positive comments.
dlk - thanks for your comments, good luck with progressing with your game.
forthegame - thanks, I love berdych's stokes, so thanks very much for the compliment.
dozu - cheers for your help and feedback, I definately feel a lot more solid/fluid when hitting. My consistency also feels a lot better. It is a different partner who i'm hitting with, he is a lot more consistent than my other hitting partner. I will try to pass on your feedback to him next time I see him.
Kenny022593 - thanks, yh, I do have a rather loopy.big takeback, but it seems to work for me. Gasquet is one of my favourite players (as you can see by my picture) so thanks again for your compliments.
Photoshop - cheers mate, your comments are very much appreciated.
USERNAME - thanks for the feedback, yh i'm still working on hitting with more racket head speed, hopefully that will come with more practice/confidence.
mathieu - thanks for your comments, however I only hit 2 or 3 shots long on my forehand in a 6 minute video. I don't want to sound too defensive but we shall agree to disagree ;P.
tricky - thanks a lot for your detailed feedback, I will work on the backswing using the comments you made. Yh, my two handed backhand is definately my more solid shot (less that can go wrong with it).
Thanks again for eveyone's feedback, any more tips will be greatly appreciated.
dlk - thanks for your comments, good luck with progressing with your game.
forthegame - thanks, I love berdych's stokes, so thanks very much for the compliment
.dozu - cheers for your help and feedback, I definately feel a lot more solid/fluid when hitting. My consistency also feels a lot better. It is a different partner who i'm hitting with, he is a lot more consistent than my other hitting partner. I will try to pass on your feedback to him next time I see him.
Kenny022593 - thanks, yh, I do have a rather loopy.big takeback, but it seems to work for me. Gasquet is one of my favourite players (as you can see by my picture) so thanks again for your compliments.
Photoshop - cheers mate, your comments are very much appreciated.
USERNAME - thanks for the feedback, yh i'm still working on hitting with more racket head speed, hopefully that will come with more practice/confidence.
mathieu - thanks for your comments, however I only hit 2 or 3 shots long on my forehand in a 6 minute video. I don't want to sound too defensive but we shall agree to disagree ;P.
tricky - thanks a lot for your detailed feedback, I will work on the backswing using the comments you made. Yh, my two handed backhand is definately my more solid shot (less that can go wrong with it).
Thanks again for eveyone's feedback, any more tips will be greatly appreciated.
xFullCourtTenniSx
Hall of Fame
What... You expect tips from us?
Best to find a coach... At your level you'll do yourself more harm that good talking to us unless you get ahold of one of the few professionals here. I only looked at it for a little bit, but the quality is excellent!Could slow down on the approach shots though. Glanced back and saw you rush one into the net. Otherwise, stroke production, movement, balance... All looks good. Now how does it hold up in matches?
Only thing I say to work on is fitness and match experience. You could swing faster, but it's better just to let it develop naturally as opposed to forcing yourself to swing faster.
Yeah... Except I'm willing to bet his footwork looks much better than yours, and your strokes are probably messier as well... Probably short too? Just guessing... 3.5s don't exactly shine in those departments... :?
If this all holds up in matches, I'd say 4.5 if you have competent net play and serving.
Tsonga nDance
Rookie
You got some really nice strokes. Nice full extension forehand.
Djokovicfan4life
Legend
Well, as usual, you have me confused, Tricky (I guess in a good way). How would the left hand move forward rather than to the side? I thought that the off hand was supposed to point towards the side fence? Or does it move forward and then move to the side from there?
mightyrick
Legend
I like the long, slow loop of the forehand. Very deliberate. Very soothing. If I was playing against you, I might be lulled into a deep relaxation... a trance... and possibly fall asleep waiting for you to actually make contact.
But seriously, though, I liked it.
Regarding improvment... I think your prep and full forehand motion are so slow that I think you'll have problems against faster, flatter hitters... or hitting on the run.
But that forehand... at a 3.5 level... should do just fine. Although, I'd have to see some match play to be sure. At a 4.0 level... you'd have lots of problems, I think.
But seriously, though, I liked it.
Regarding improvment... I think your prep and full forehand motion are so slow that I think you'll have problems against faster, flatter hitters... or hitting on the run.
But that forehand... at a 3.5 level... should do just fine. Although, I'd have to see some match play to be sure. At a 4.0 level... you'd have lots of problems, I think.
so you are suggesting that OP would have problems playing these guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GADzolMscAs ?(i mean in tennis, don't know about other sports ;-))
mightyrick
Legend
Uh, no. Those two guys are probably self-rated and think they are way better than they really are and they refuse to drop down.
I just played in a USTA 3.5 singles tourney last weekend. Both those guys in your clip would have gotten smoked 6-1, 6-1 -- possibly even in the opening round.
More or less, this. As you start separating the hand from the racquet, the left arm as a unit should start moving forward. The left arm finishes with extension and the palm facing to the right side fence.
What Nole seems to be doing is, during separation, he brings his left arm backwards, as if he wanted to show his left palm to somebody behind him. This creates a very long loop, and it can delay the forward swing.
Djokovicfan4life
Legend
Thanks for the clarification. I asked a question in pvaudio's serve thread also if you get time.
arche3
Banned
lol at how slow these guys are. they hit like 1 ball and its over. OP would destroy them 0, 0.
well, no. If you check the other video related to the one quoted above it is stated they are both USTA computer rated benchmark 4.0. you can't have any more legit USTA ranking than that.
I somehow doubt that. Would you happen to have a video of a match play in that tournament?
all I'm saying is that OP is way better than 3.5, and better than an average 4.0.
FitzRoy
Professional
I've seen players who have nice strokes but have struggled to win at 3.5 and 4.0 levels. Stroke production is good, but NTRP ultimately hinges on competition and winning matches. It's a competitive rating. Having good strokes only matters for NTRP in how effectively the player is able to use them to win matches. Basically you can't give out NTRPs on video evidence - you can have an idea, but it can't be concrete. I agree that the poster's stroke technique is good enough to play at 4.5. Whether he is a 4.5 depends on who he can beat and who beats him.
tlm
G.O.A.T.
Very nice swings from both sides, good smooth foot work. I would like to see you put a little more into the shots, seems like you are more worried about looking smooth as opposed to hitting out on the ball.
Cant say what rating without seeing you under pressure playing out points. But from i have seen there is no way you could be 4.5.
Cant say what rating without seeing you under pressure playing out points. But from i have seen there is no way you could be 4.5.
Tennis Dunce
Semi-Pro
There is so much more to tennis than strokes...if strokes were emblematic of perennial tennis and paid the dividends it should, than David Nalbandian would have 12 Majors right now.:neutral:
mightyrick
Legend
The guys in that video are fat and don't move. Zero footwork. Horrible fundamentals. I don't give a rat's ass what their USTA ranking is. What section are they in? The Northern Alaskan section perhaps? The Hawaiian Section?
And NTRP ranking is screwed, anyways. Because the NTRP guidelines say that a 3.01 should lose 6-0, 6-0 to a 3.49. Which is totally ********.
I'm in USTA Texas. In this geography, those guys get crushed. Maybe not double bageled, but damn close to it. 4.0? Give me a break.
If those guys are 4.0, then I'm a 5.0.
well, I think we are done arguing here. If you don't care what a player's game with an official USTA ranking look like than there's no point comparing and judging anyone's video.
BTW - these guys are from San Francisco. Supposedly not too bad USTA section.
I'm sure USTA Texas is way better - because you say so. The prove is in Texas teams consistently winning all national USTA finals. Just to confirm - let me check USTA site here
http://www.usta.com/Play-Tennis/USTA-League/LeagueNationalChampionships/ Oh wait, so Texas teams do not win everything every year? But the players are so superior....
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How could you get upset about random people giving random NTRP purely based on videos alone?
Asking people to rate you on your strokes alone is like video taping yourself driving (camera on the dashboard facing you), and asking people if you are a good driver. It is pointless.
If you want a rating, go play with people with legit USTA rating. Better yet, join a league. That is only way you will know for sure.
Asking people to rate you on your strokes alone is like video taping yourself driving (camera on the dashboard facing you), and asking people if you are a good driver. It is pointless.
If you want a rating, go play with people with legit USTA rating. Better yet, join a league. That is only way you will know for sure.
NolemurraY
Rookie
Bump... Any more comments will be appreciated. Please don't get into a debate over what my rating is, focus on my strokes.
Thanks for the feedback so far.
Thanks for the feedback so far.
