Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by Shroud, May 24, 2017.
What a wet noodle! There is a Kramer Staff of some sort on the other end of the court.
I have one of those!
I have a pair of Ashe Comp 3's and wet noodle is the best description. I showed them to a couple of Euro D1 college kids and they said: "No wonder you old guys have such funny forehands."
I have a Comp 2...super duper stiff as it has 'Boron Flex', lol.
I would dig that i guess
Agree with those kids!!!
I have played them all and still have them all.
Very flexible as @Shroud suggest. Nice job with the hitting vid, you seemed to do just fine.
Suggest others try these very unique rackets, lots of fun hitting, see what I mean
I hate the way the Arthur Ashe Comp plays but love the way it looks.
Did you like the way other metals played ?
For many, the T2000 was not a good option for control and spin.
For many, the heads were a way to get some extra "metal" power from a soft flexible wood like racket.
Graphites put the metals out of production.
It was an interesting era to see some great players like Ashe and Connors playing metal against some woody holdovers.
For me, Mac going to the Dunop max 200g really drove the stake through his heart of the wood era and also help to kill the metal era.
Interesting how some player never decided to play metal before going graphite.
I was in this camp of not wanting or needing to compete with metal until I also went 200g like Mac. @Shroud did you play thru this era, not sure how experienced (old) you are (your appear to be a decade or so younger) ?
Red Head Pro...one of the best of all time!!!
The Yonex 7500 and 8500 were pretty darned good, too. More than a few wood converts said the 7500 played like a brand new wood racket.
I tried a couple other ones like the Prince Classic and Prince pro. Pro was more okay, but mostly hate metal racquets. Prefer wood.
For sure, the head alum's were very popular. If I remember correctly, I believe Bobby Riggs like the Head Master ?
I'm hitting an Ashe Comp 2 right now just for fun. Team season is over and I'm burned out from competing, so thought I would bring out some old school frames. I played the Ashe Comp in high school for a couple of years in the mid 70's. I'm actually playing respectable tennis with it. Very low power compared to modern frames, but it is soft and easy on my arm, and I can keep the ball in play with it. Sort of revert to a defensive counter punch strategy. I played the Yamaha fiberglass YFG 30 in college, and hit with it a couple of days this week. It has a good bit of power, but the Ashe feels a little more traditional and comfortable.
I did the same journey, trying and liking the AA Comps and the YFG's in the early 80s in my college hitting days, was still hard to depart with my Kramers and even the Prince Woody.
I had one of those AA Comp Boron racquets back in the late 70s.
Stiff as heck. Gave me my first case of TE. Yipes!
The 3 was designed to be a softer frame as many Comp 1 players were unhappy with the Comp 2's. I found the 2's to play stiffer as the temperate rose. I switched to the Yamaha YFG 30 then 50, after the Comp 2's.
I still on occasion hit with the Ashe Comp Edge
Courts have nice setting with those foot hills. Where is the bay area are they ?
@Shroud Did you string it at 90lbs?
Fremont. Mission park i think
Lol. That was my buddies stick and he doesnt get the benefits of high tensions...
But yeah i would be tempted to. I once strung a POG 93 at 86/86. Still have it
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Kind of. I had a metal Spaulding Rebel and a buddy played the t-2000. 1st serious racquet was the Prince Magnesium Pro. I really thought it would make me a pro...
I played the POG93 for over 20 years. At the craziest point in my life I strung mine at 70lbs with a full bed of Luxilon Big Banger. That thing was a board.
One of my workout buddies plays the original Prince Graphite 93, and strings it with poly. I think it only has 14 mains, so he gets some crazy topspin with it. I have been mostly hitting the Head Ashe Comp 2 the past week or so. Broke out a PDP Fiberstaff yesterday for about an hour. It felt pretty solid, but it came strung with all poly, and I am not a fan of a full bed of poly. An online purchase of a Comp 3 arrived last night, so I am going to hit with it today. I don't even remember that frame from the old days. Guess when I stopped using the Ashe Comp 2 around 1976, I stopped paying attention to the later updates. I was playing the Comp 2 my senior year in high school in 1976, but was playing the "Red" Head Professional the next spring as a freshman in college. The Comp 3 looks a little more streamlined than the Comp 2... the edges are not as sharp. I've been playing decent with the Comp 2, not much power, but I have pretty good control.
Yeah. This was kev/poly. No power at all. It was great!!
I have been hitting for a week with the Ashe Comp 2. Picked up a Comp 3 and took it out last night. It was strung very loose, but hitting like a wet noodle is a good description. Might have felt better strung tighter, but man it was hard to play with. The Comp 2 plays better for me... stiffer, so the feel is not as foreign. Trying to decide if I want to restring any of them. Assumed I would break a string, as they probably are all pretty old string jobs. I can hit groundstrokes at a competitive level with these rackets. Volleys and overheads are tough....
For me at least playing with those old old sticks is a whole different game and man the skill required is insane. Imagine Borgs old racquets...
I'm hitting tonight with a good 4.5 player, and am going to break out a Wilson Advantage wood racket I have owned for almost 40 years. I played with these rackets back then, and of course they were the norm. I guess if you hit with them long enough you would adjust and get used to hitting all the shots with them. My groundstrokes are competitive now with them, but trying to play doubles, serving and volleying, etc, is very difficult.
I should break out my AA Comp 3
In the early 70s I had a Head Master and a Comp 1. I wonder if these old racquets are more suited for Continental grips which we were taught to use at the time, rather than the western grip in the video.
As one who used both of these then, I agree, Small head sizes have tight acceptance windows. In my area, few could use full Borg western grips effectively.
wet noodle.... today after ... what 20 ? 30 years ?
I remember trying them back in the day, shortly after the transition from wood rackets. and I remember them to be quite stiff... compared to whatever I used before....
Also, maybe if you used slow smooth classic strokes instead of the modern technique (that I think impart more speed on the racket head), you probably would not feel the flexibility so much... maybe, possibly... just wondering.
Seriously wet noddle bat .. Had the first edition and the second as well.. Never got a hold of the third.. But recall the soft squashy swampy flex ..
That era of bats were all over the place in design. Had a few Durafibre and Also the PDP Fibergraph
,the Maxima graphite racket , the Montana Powerplay and a Kuebler or two..
Rackets sure have improved since then.
Its possible. I am ultra sensitive to anykind of flex and like stiff stiff racquets. Like the RF97a wasnt stiff enough for me... always gravitated to stiff racquets even 20 years ago. But its been a while since using wood so if that would make the Ashe feel stiff, yikes!!!
I think so. I never like flexy sticks. Remember the Ultra 2. That iirc was one of the stiffest at the time. Then the Profile. Play with a profile today
I have hit about a week with the Ashe Comp 2's, and then took out a Ashe Comp 3. It was strung very loose, but in general it did feel a lot more flexible than the Ashe Comp 2, and not as playable. As someone asked, the old school frames were more suited to classic strokes, and you will perform better with them now if you slice, or hit through the ball a little more traditionally. I have noted I shank or miss the sweetspot if I try to hit my normal forehand now. No problems with the backhand. I played wood rackets last night for the first time. They made the Ashe Comp rackets seem forgiving. Man it is some work to play good tennis with those babies! I adjusted as I played and got better. Actually ended up outplaying my workout partner, which was a surprise. Just very little power.... defensive counter-punching tennis. I had 5 with me. Need to turn in my man-card, as I hit best with a Wilson Chris Evert autograph. It had a pretty playable string job, and was only 12.85 ounces. The others were in the 14-15 ounce range.
I like Chrissie Evert's Wilson looks and specs -never tried one - do you find the mono shaft design has some better manoeuvrability than the triangular shafts that have become standard? I know Connors used a monoshaft non-wood Prince for seniors tour. Perhaps it is a better design for touch players?
The main positive with the Evert was it was not too much heavier than what I am used to. Plus it has some pretty good strings. I never hit with the Prince mono shaft Connors used for a while. The wood rackets are so different than your modern frames that determining if it relates to the mono shaft is difficult. I am sure that is part of it. Plus they are heavy, have very little power, and have a very small sweetspot.
Yep......Riggs used one for his match vs BJK.
Bob Lutz also played with a Master on tour for a very short time. He later moved on to the redhead and used that for most of the 1970s -
The latest BOTS about BR vs BJK stars Emma Stone and Steve Carell as King and Riggs, respectively.
Good way to view the Master and BJK woody in action.
That's quite a stretch for Carell...playing a ham.
Sweet! Brand-new and never strung! I loved the "Red" Pro in high school. It was my first aluminum racquet, which eventually replaced my Wilson Stan Smith wood in my senior year. I still have it and enjoy hitting with it, but I've begun collecting the Arthur Ashe Comp 1, 2, and 3 which although only have a racquet head size of only 69 square inches, remains a blast to hit with.
FYI, if you do plan to restring your Ashe Comps, the recommended string tension is between 50-55 lbs.
The Wilson Evert looked identical to the Wilson Stan Smith, but was perhaps a bit lighter.
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