Holger Rune finally arrived

pedro94

pedro94

Semi-Pro
You know times are very bad in tennis when it comes to competition and level of play, when a win over Tsitsipas is hailed as the arrival of the next messiah..
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T

Tallawah Tennis

Semi-Pro
Dominic & Andrey said:
This is it.
A win against 2.0 Tsitsipas can't be overlooked. The hype is fully rekindled.
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Heh, heh, like your enthusiasm for a fresh perspective, and hope HR is enthused by his progress and a good win to settle into some momentum. I like the kid, enjoy his on court skills when he's able to play to his strengths.
Quite why saying this equates to 'hype' defies my logic but then again, much that is bandied around on these boards fits that category.

ChrisJR3264 said:
The tour needs holger Rune to progress and take that next step. Talent is there. Can be a beast if he puts it together. He’s still only 21 going on 22.
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Yah man - second that. Not just HR, but hoping the even younger brigade will start to find a foothold. What the game needs is plenty of great talent sharing the titles - if a stranglehold by one or two players can be avoided, I'll cheer the loudest. It is tedious to encounter the immature chorus of " X will destroy all before him" and " Y will be the best ever for all time" and the less we have it, the better.
The best contests are those in which anything could happen, each plays to his strengths. I'll leave the desperation for the win / quest for certainty beloved of some to them ....... although I'll be the first to admit that if a favourite wins, the Cheshire Cat in me materialises.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Rune played very well yesterday. Watched the match fully post rain delay. But his max potential is not near the best 3 players in the game. Which is also fine. If he plays just as good as yesterday, he will be inside top 10 this season ending.
 
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ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
nolefam_2024 said:
Rune played very well yesterday. Watched the match fully post rain delay. But his max potential is not near the best 3 players in the game. Which is also fine. If he plays just as good as yesterday, he will be inside top 10 this season ending.
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The thing about holger is he gets hot then significantly cools down.
The potential is he’s still young and talent is there to put things together. His mother is very involved, similar to Stefanos father. That can be messy for his career if they don’t see eye to eye on decisions , like coaching for example.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
ChrisJR3264 said:
The thing about holger is he gets hot then significantly cools down.
The potential is he’s still young and talent is there to put things together. His mother is very involved, similar to Stefanos father. That can be messy for his career if they don’t see eye to eye on decisions , like coaching for example.
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He hasn't gotten hot since 2023 rome. I can't say any single performance he did post that which was great.
 
dking68

dking68

Legend
ChrisJR3264 said:
The thing about holger is he gets hot then significantly cools down.
The potential is he’s still young and talent is there to put things together. His mother is very involved, similar to Stefanos father. That can be messy for his career if they don’t see eye to eye on decisions , like coaching for example.
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Which is why he hasn’t improved in the last 2 years. He has a MalVai Washington career at best, no slam wins for him
 
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ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
nolefam_2024 said:
He hasn't gotten hot since 2023 rome. I can't say any single performance he did post that which was great.
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Yes this is true.
I think all the coaching changes has messed up his progression.

He made qtrs here last year though at IW.

We’ll see if he can make the semis or even finals at IW.
Myself included hopped on the “Stefanos is back “ wagon with the new racket bc he did look like a new player. But a racket change doesn’t always change the player.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
ChrisJR3264 said:
Yes this is true.
I think all the coaching changes has messed up his progression.

He made qtrs here last year though at IW.

We’ll see if he can make the semis or even finals at IW.
Myself included hopped on the “Stefanos is back “ wagon with the new racket bc he did look like a new player. But a racket change doesn’t always change the player.
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I think Tsitsipas in clay season would be good again. He is returning better now with the new racket. And his forehand is back to where it should be.
 
Winner Sinner

Winner Sinner

Hall of Fame
It is always difficult to unravel the trajectory and prospects of a player like Rune.

For example, if we compare his trajectory with that of Sinner at the same age as Rune today, the substantial difference is not in the goals achieved but in the growth curve.
Rune reached certain goals before Sinner, having won his first major title at 19, while Sinner did it shortly before turning 22.
Rune entered the top 10 shortly before turning 20, while Sinner did so after turning 20.
Rune entered the top 5 for the first time after turning 20, while Sinner reached the top 5 after turning 22.

At Rune's current age, so just over a month from turning 22, Sinner had just reached a slam semifinal for the first time, something Rune has not yet done, but even here there is not that much difference.
And Sinner at the same age as the current Rune had not yet won any major titles.
Sinner at the same age as the current Rune had essentially a 3-23 record against the Djokovic-Nadal-Medvedev-Zverev-Tsitsipas sextet plus Rune himself, while Rune, apart from Alcaraz (who has already beaten him once), cannot be said to have any real bêtes noires among the top players, having shown that he has the tennis to beat them all.

All this to say that Rune at this point in his career is not so far from the roadmap of a potential ATG.
I repeat, the worrying thing about his parable was his involution after Wimbledon 2023, an involution that it must be said was initially also conditioned by physical problems that many often underestimate in certain analyses or even deliberately ignore.

And given the current trend, I consider his start to 2025 to be positive.
At the Australian Open he went out against Sinner in the fourth round, having in fact demonstrated in the central phase of that match that he was the player who most troubled the Italian tennis player in the entire tournament, or rather, the one who more than any other called into question the obvious final outcome, all after having previously eliminated Berrettini and a particularly inspired Kecmanovic.
Then after the Davis Cup he landed in South America where it is said he had a debilitating illness, so it is also difficult to judge that parenthesis.
Now with this victory against a Tsitsipas on fire he has already equalled his best result in Indian Wells, awaiting the challenge against Griekspoor.

Here, we can better judge whether the path taken by Rune is finally the right one, no one is asking him to beat Alcaraz in the context where the Spaniard historically expresses the best tennis, but against players of Grieskpoor's level he must begin to assert the law of the strongest.
If you don't start to consistently win matches that on paper are affordable for a talent like his, ergo, acquire a certain technical and mental solidity, it is impossible to think of reaching the desired goals by biting off more than you can chew.
Solidity is the basis of a true top player.

From a purely technical point of view, even here I have a hard time judging a player who every time you see him play gives you impressions that are diametrically opposed to the last time you saw him.
For example, in his serve-return combination, the return is the fundamental that stands out the most, in fact I happened to see several of his matches in which his very aggressive return makes you think "this is the best returner on the circuit", but as I was saying earlier, the next time you see him play it is easy to regret having thought that.
In the fundamentals from the baseline, here too obviously the backhand stands out over his forehand, even if unlike others I do not consider his forehand necessarily a weak point, I mean even at the top I have seen forehands that are decidedly worse than his.
But in general his greatest quality is being a chameleon, feeling at ease in any area of the court, precisely because he has a complete and vast repertoire of solutions.
Instead his main limit is his tactical intelligence, he is too instinctive with a tennis that is often anarchic.
Sometimes you see him hyper-aggressive, other times instead he appears disconcertingly passive.
He must find the right balance in his game.
While from a physical point of view, little to say, he has great explosiveness, he moves divinely combining everything with great elasticity.
Physically he is one of those athletes kissed by the Gods of tennis.
The main problem is always the head, everything starts from there.
 
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ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
nolefam_2024 said:
I think Tsitsipas in clay season would be good again. He is returning better now with the new racket. And his forehand is back to where it should be.
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New RACKETS have some changes good bad or just a honey moon phase.

Roman Prokes has some insight on them as being able to use the racket that’s easier on the arm can cause less fatigue through out a match and tournament all week. But some may not be able to control an easier frame to use or feel they don’t benefit from the trade off of more power, less control.
 
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FedForGOAT

Professional
Winner Sinner said:
It is always difficult to unravel the trajectory and prospects of a player like Rune.

For example, if we compare his trajectory with that of Sinner at the same age as Rune today, the substantial difference is not in the goals achieved but in the growth curve.
Rune reached certain goals before Sinner, having won his first major title at 19, while Sinner did it shortly before turning 22.
Rune entered the top 10 shortly before turning 20, while Sinner did so after turning 20.
Rune entered the top 5 for the first time after turning 20, while Sinner reached the top 5 after turning 22.

At Rune's current age, so just over a month from turning 22, Sinner had just reached a slam semifinal for the first time, something Rune has not yet done, but even here there is not that much difference.
And Sinner at the same age as the current Rune had not yet won any major titles.
Sinner at the same age as the current Rune had essentially a 3-23 record against the Djokovic-Nadal-Medvedev-Zverev-Tsitsipas sextet plus Rune himself, while Rune, apart from Alcaraz (who has already beaten him once), cannot be said to have any real bêtes noires among the top players, having shown that he has the tennis to beat them all.

All this to say that Rune at this point in his career is not so far from the roadmap of a potential ATG.
I repeat, the worrying thing about his parable was his involution after Wimbledon 2023, an involution that it must be said was initially also conditioned by physical problems that many often underestimate in certain analyses or even deliberately ignore.

And given the current trend, I consider his start to 2025 to be positive.
At the Australian Open he went out against Sinner in the fourth round, having in fact demonstrated in the central phase of that match that he was the player who most troubled the Italian tennis player in the entire tournament, or rather, the one who more than any other called into question the obvious final outcome, all after having previously eliminated Berrettini and a particularly inspired Kecmanovic.
Then after the Davis Cup he landed in South America where it is said he had a debilitating illness, so it is also difficult to judge that parenthesis.
Now with this victory against a Tsitsipas on fire he has already equalled his best result in Indian Wells, awaiting the challenge against Griekspoor.

Here, we can better judge whether the path taken by Rune is finally the right one, no one is asking him to beat Alcaraz in the context where the Spaniard historically expresses the best tennis, but against players of Grieskpoor's level he must begin to assert the law of the strongest.
If you don't start to consistently win matches that on paper are affordable for a talent like his, ergo, acquire a certain technical and mental solidity, it is impossible to think of reaching the desired goals by biting off more than you can chew.
Solidity is the basis of a true top player.

From a purely technical point of view, even here I have a hard time judging a player who every time you see him play gives you impressions that are diametrically opposed to the last time you saw him.
For example, in his serve-return combination, the return is the fundamental that stands out the most, in fact I happened to see several of his matches in which his very aggressive return makes you think "this is the best returner on the circuit", but as I was saying earlier, the next time you see him play it is easy to regret having thought that.
In the fundamentals from the baseline, here too obviously the backhand stands out over his forehand, even if unlike others I do not consider his forehand necessarily a weak point, I mean even at the top I have seen forehands that are decidedly worse than his.
But in general his greatest quality is being a chameleon, feeling at ease in any area of the court, precisely because he has a complete and vast repertoire of solutions.
Instead his main limit is his tactical intelligence, he is too instinctive with a tennis that is often anarchic.
Sometimes you see him hyper-aggressive, other times instead he appears disconcertingly passive.
He must find the right balance in his game.
While from a physical point of view, little to say, he has great explosiveness, he moves divinely combining everything with great elasticity.
Physically he is one of those athletes kissed by the Gods of tennis.
The main problem is always the head, everything starts from there.
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Brevity is the soul of wit…
I will say that moving with “great explosiveness” can often come with the downside of having somewhat suspect stamina - see fast vs slow twitch muscles.

Also, as far as being
one of those athletes kissed by the Gods of tennis.
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His serve at 6’2” could/should definitely be better. I’m not saying he doesn’t have the physical ability to improve it. But not all his problems are mental. He definitely has physical/technical aspects to work on.
 
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mental midget

Hall of Fame
these court just seem perfectly suited to a certain type of ball striker...alcaraz and rune are somewhat similar with how they tend to hit/shape the ball, where they like to make contact, seems like this speed and bounce just suits them both quite well.
 
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