Honest assessment of Zverev from someone who dislikes him

Forehanderer

Professional
Once Nadal shed the baby fat he lost his early awkward cuteness hahaha

Djokovic I could never find cute. He has a difficult face on a post-like neck.

Zverev is objectively good-looking IMO (although gangly as hell), but he should smile more and quit whining to be tolerable.
His skinny body makes his head more prominent like a sore thumb. He's a mental giant afterall ;)
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
He has an ATG-level game in most facets, but with a huge technique weakness with his 2nd serve - inconsistent toss, inconsistent decisions on what pace/spin to hit. This makes him choke at stressful points in long matches as his technique is not robust enough to withstand high-pressure moments. If he doesn’t fix it soon, he won‘t achieve even as much as Wawrinka or Guga in his career. If he fixes it, he could have a Becker-Edberg kind of career.

He is similar to Murray in that he plays too defensively from the baseline for a guy with the amount of firepower he has. Murray played more offensively for a few years when Lendl coached him and that‘s when he won his Slams. Zverev should also play more offensively from the baseline and not just try to outlast the top players in Slams.
I think his forehand is a way bigger problem than his 2nd serve.

Ultimately, his forehand and passiveness alone will give him his big share of bad matchups in the future.
 

Novichok

Semi-Pro
Djokovic used to look good until around 2012. Now he looks below average.
IMO, Zverev, Tsitsipas and Shapovalov are good looking, but in a bad, repulsive way, unlike, for e.g., Berrettini. Russian genes, maybe. Expert opinion would be appreciated. :D @MichaelNadal
 
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MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Djokovic used to look good until around 2012. Now he looks below average.
IMO, Zverev, Tsitsipas and Shapovalov are good looking, but in a bad, repulsive way, unlike Berrettini. Russian genes, maybe. Expert opinion would be appreciated. :D @MichaelNadal
Berrettini's legs are so skinny though, im big on legs, and those things are kind of a deal-breaker lol. Everyone falls short of Dibaego anyway ;)




:D
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
I honestly dislike flip flops, olives and slow drivers.
Is there a forum where I could honestly assess them? I feel like the world cannot go on without my honest assessment.
Flip flops and slow drivers, fully agree, but how can anyone dislike olives? That’s blasphemy.
 
I honestly dislike flip flops, olives and slow drivers.
Is there a forum where I could honestly assess them? I feel like the world cannot go on without my honest assessment.
A forum where people *are* supposed to share their opinions and *are* actually a member so that they could share their thoughts?

Then go ahead.
 

cha cha

Rookie
Flip flops and slow drivers, fully agree, but how can anyone dislike olives? That’s blasphemy.
They say you need to mature into them. Been waiting. : - )

As for the OP, so many wonderful things happened yesterday. Garcia and Boulter posted gorgeous pictures on twitter. Muguruza hit with Khachanov. Are they an item? That would be lovely.
But no, you feel compelled to share your bitterness about a fresh masters champion. And that just makes me sad.
 
They say you need to mature into them. Been waiting. : - )

As for the OP, so many wonderful things happened yesterday. Garcia and Boulter posted gorgeous pictures on twitter. Muguruza hit with Khachanov. Are they an item? That would be lovely.
But no, you feel compelled to share your bitterness about a fresh masters champion. And that just makes me sad.
Hmm, praising Zverev and calling him an ATG is being bitter.

Okay.
 

cha cha

Rookie
Mate, you know damn well that this is not a compliment thread, so please stop pulling my leg.
I will leave you be anyway, because there is simply too much venom around here for little old me. Best of luck with your pursuits, whatever they may be.
 
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Nuclear Warhead Sinner

Guest
Zverev is a top ten player with the fastest average first serve on tour, and the lowest percentage of second serve points won on tour. That's a study in extremes and shows that the issues with his second serve are hiding a MONSTER game.
His mental woes are clearly one of the biggest factors behind his weakness with the second serve. Plus he has the attention span of kids who spend their lunch money on Fortnite V-bucks.
However, this also means that if he were to somehow significantly increase his mental strength and capacity to focus (very unlikely), he would... well, win a couple Slams.
He will never be dominant because Medvedev and Tsitsipas are still improving and they're extremely hungry.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Safin wasn't "outstanding from the back of the court". His movement was relatively poor, as he wasn't particularly agile, and his shots were ultra-aggresive and usually unreliable. Safon was a succesful ballbasher. When he had an inspired game, he was virtually unstoppable. But because his playstyle was so risky, his inspired games were not that usual. That explains why he only won 2 Slams. Safin's baseline game is not ATG level, at least on a regular basis. On inspired matches (unusual), he did produce great gameplay from the back of the court.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Safin wasn't "outstanding from the back of the court". His movement was relatively poor, as he wasn't particularly agile, and his shots were ultra-aggresive and usually unreliable. Safon was a succesful ballbasher. When he had an inspired game, he was virtually unstoppable. But because his playstyle was so risky, his inspired games were not that usual. That explains why he only won 2 Slams. Safin's baseline game is not ATG level, at least on a regular basis. On inspired matches (unusual), he did produce great gameplay from the back of the court.
So clueless lol.
 

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
Cheese is everything :)
I'm Jewish (by blood, not faith really) and the upcoming holiday next week is Shavuot, which is celebrated by having a feast of dairy foods (ofc cheese included) :p
I'm making tagliatelle quattro formaggi and cheesecake, and my gf is making some salad for the vegans who generally hate this holiday for obvious reasons :-D
 

USO

Hall of Fame
1. He is actually meant to be an ATG, everything in his game (when it all clicks) indicates that.

2. The entire notion that he is some product of evolution and is some kind of second coming is based on false premises. There were already tall players who could do well from baseline. Del Potro a decade ago moved well, had a bigger and better FH, and as good a serve. Safin a little shorter, moved decent and was outstanding from the back of the court.

3.Zverev is a future ATG, but he really has only played few tournaments on that level. He is such a mental toast that in most of the matches he plays at 50% of his best. He just doesn't amount to "tough" Competition till now.

4. Zverev is a great potential, but I am baffled how ready some people are to put him on a pedestal greater than many, Murray for example was two times the player Zverev is and probably can be.


5. Zverev is bound to get some more wins against Big 3 now, and many are bound to insinuate that he would have ended Big 3 dominance in their heyday. But people need to remember that Big 3 destroyed great players' career, from Del Potro to Andy Murray to headcases like Nalbandian and Safin,heck even Thiem can say they took away the greatest wins of his career.
They would have squeezed dry Zverev even at his best.


6. All in all, Zverev is a top tier player, but people also overrate him. He is going to be an all surface threat soon. And he is definitely gonna win 3+ slams.
He’s not very likeable and he has a boring game. I would think once Djokovic retires his fans will start rooting for Zverev.

 

Devtennis01

Legend
I don't see him being a future ATG unless the benchmark is lowered to 2 slams.
He's 24 and in his one slam final he choked like crazy.
I don't get how he has an ATG game. His serve is a liability. Neither his fh or bh are ATG shots. He can't volley well. He doesn't have anything he can do to reliably win points and he is very defensive.
 

kashmonyklik

New User
This was the best I have ever seen Alexander Zverev play. He moved well, was more decisive in his shot selection. I thought his game sort of stagnated for 3 years. Now I see major improvements. Finally he looks like a GS contender
 

aldeayeah

Legend
I don't see him being a future ATG unless the benchmark is lowered to 2 slams.
He's 24 and in his one slam final he choked like crazy.
I don't get how he has an ATG game. His serve is a liability. Neither his fh or bh are ATG shots. He can't volley well. He doesn't have anything he can do to reliably win points and he is very defensive.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
 

Hokkaido

New User
I think, fairly or unfairly, the second someone born after 96 wins a slam which the big 3 play in is going to be looked at historically as the true end of Djokovic/Nadal’s peak. So they won’t get the full credit as much as taking advantage of Djokovic finally over the hill, or Rafa on his last legs. It’s crazy that at Zverev’s current age, Djokovic had his 2011 - Tsitsipas’ age, Nadal had 4 FO titles and an insane 2008, or even Sinner’s age of 19 Federer was beating Sampras at Wimbledon- these were top players at the ages that the top 5/6 heir apparents have yet to break through at.

For what it’s worth I think Tsitsipas and Zverev will both win quite a few slams, and the late 20s will play host to some of the most interesting Slams from a competitive perspective in recent memory. They’re just not ATGs and that’s ok.
There's a lot of talk these days about Next Gen players not developing fast enough and making comparisons about how much ATGs had accomplished at their age. I was curious about how true this really is, so I decided to plot the Elo Ratings of a few ATGs along with Zverev and Sinner:



From what we can see here, Sinner is on a similar path to most other ATGs (basically same trajectory as Federer, Djokovic, Connors, Murray etc), and Zverev was on the same path up until he turned 21 and he hit a mental wall.

From looking at this we can also conclude that most ATGs have had similar careers, with Nadal, Agassi and Borg being the exceptions and improving much faster than everyone else. Agassi perhaps particularly interesting as he also stalled for a few years like Zverev has.

I made another graph with less players, less cluttered, so you can get a better look at Sinner:



I picked Djokovic and Murray as comparisons as he seems particularly similar to them in terms of potential and growth, as well as the other main rivals of the Big 3. Looking at this we can confidently say that Sinner has had a great career up until this point, and whether he's a worthy heir to the Big 3 will depend on what he does from now on. His head seems to be in the right place so barring injuries he should at least come close to Murray's results.

On the graph we can also see how similar Wawrinka and Thiem are, which also feels about right.
 
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