Honolulu Futures - video

Venetian

Professional
Yuck, that is the ugliest looking forehand I've ever seen. It looks like his wrist is going to snap off every time he hits.
 
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ipodtennispro

Guest
Lajola Wins Futures Event

18 YEAR DENNIS LAJOLA FROM AIEA, HAWAII WINS HONOLULU FUTURES!



Dennis LAJOLA (USA) defeated Shane LA PORTE (USA) 4-6 6-1 6-2
 

WildVolley

Legend
I just think it is funny that Lance Vodicka is hitting with the Hawaiian grip at the Honolulu futures! Did you notice how he hit with the other side of the racquet (looked continental) on his forehand return of serve?

I'm amazed that people can play at such a high level with such a wild grip.
 

soggyramen

Professional
that has to be the most painful looking forehand i've ever seen. come back in a few years and i'm sure we'll see another video of him. this time of him in the hospital
 

lolsmash

Rookie
I can't see the video for some reason. All it shows is the quicktime symbol and a question mark. Also, i tried saving it and playing it but it said that it's not a movie format. Any help?
 

NLBwell

Legend
Bizzare forehand. Wild that he gets all the way down on his knee to hit a not too low shot, but can successfully hit one right off the ground. It hurts to look at it.
 

boojay

Hall of Fame
Wow, this guy and the dude with the wacky serve who looks like he's having an epileptic seizure would make a formidable, or at the very least, distracting duo!
 

herosol

Professional
that forehand is hilarious.
its parallel to wacky service motions i see people doing sometimes.

i would've broke out in laughter. no wonder people lose to him, you just get thrown off by how he hits it.
 
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ipodtennispro

Guest
Hawaiian grip?

I just think it is funny that Lance Vodicka is hitting with the Hawaiian grip at the Honolulu futures! Did you notice how he hit with the other side of the racquet (looked continental) on his forehand return of serve?

I'm amazed that people can play at such a high level with such a wild grip.

I never understood how that phrase "Hawaiian grip" came about. I have never seen anyone in Hawaii teach it or use it.

With regard to his continental grip --- he used that very effectively to chip, approach and use the drop shot.
 

fluffy Beaver

Professional
Who has? many Futures level players including myself on on these MB's.

Also atp players say that they view MTF and TW.

So.. who are these ATP players and please show evidence. Didn't someone already show you don't really play futures as well?
 

WildVolley

Legend
I never understood how that phrase "Hawaiian grip" came about. I have never seen anyone in Hawaii teach it or use it.

With regard to his continental grip --- he used that very effectively to chip, approach and use the drop shot.

My understanding is that it was a joke that stuck: His grip is so far western that it is a Hawaiian grip - get it? It doesn't have anything to do with it being from or taught in Hawaii.

Yeah, it was interesting to see him hit with both sides of the racquet without seeming to switch his grip. If he didn't have much time he would hit continental, if he had more time he'd whip the racquet around and hit with the other side with the "Hawaiian" grip.

It seems much too busy of a grip to me, but there have been a few pros in the top-50 in the world who have hit with that grip.
 
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ipodtennispro

Guest
Hawaiian grip

My understanding is that it was a joke that stuck: His grip is so far western that it is a Hawaiian grip - get it? It doesn't have anything to do with it being from or taught in Hawaii.

Yeah, it was interesting to see him hit with both sides of the racquet without seeming to switch his grip. If he didn't have much time he would hit continental, if he had more time he'd whip the racquet around and hit with the other side with the "Hawaiian" grip.

It seems much too busy of a grip to me, but there have been a few pros in the top-50 in the world who have hit with that grip.

Makes sense, I get it.
 

TheJRK

Rookie
well, hes sure gotten farther then everyone here lol

+ 1

That is an insane forehand. A lot of people on these forums won't appreciate the amount of athleticism it takes to hit a ball like that.

I played doubles with a guy who had a forehand similar to that (although not quite as extreme) and it was amazing how much top spin he put on the ball. Really came in handy when the other team was at the net.
 

Venetian

Professional
I don't think more extreme grips take any more athleticism to hit. It's definitely more adventurous though. Imagine all the cool injury stories you'd have.

"So this one time, I was hitting a forehand, when my elbow hit me in the eye and my wrist snapped in half. It was wicked cool!"
 

jmsx521

Hall of Fame
I just think it is funny that Lance Vodicka is hitting with the Hawaiian grip at the Honolulu futures! Did you notice how he hit with the other side of the racquet (looked continental) on his forehand return of serve?

I'm amazed that people can play at such a high level with such a wild grip.
The state of Hawaii offers to pay up & coming pros to use the Hawaiian grip, and therefor promote the state and the tournament as well.
 
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ipodtennispro

Guest
Hawaiian Grip

The state of Hawaii offers to pay up & coming pros to use the Hawaiian grip, and therefor promote the state and the tournament as well.

LOL, but that is a great idea.
 
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ipodtennispro

Guest
wrist injury

+ 1

That is an insane forehand. A lot of people on these forums won't appreciate the amount of athleticism it takes to hit a ball like that.

I played doubles with a guy who had a forehand similar to that (although not quite as extreme) and it was amazing how much top spin he put on the ball. Really came in handy when the other team was at the net.

I would have to agree -- All ATP players have to have some degree of great athleticism. I would also like to add that they also have great vision and timing on the ball, something that this guy obviously has and something that can't be taught from a book or DVD.

Lastly, I wanted to comment on everyone's concern about this guy getting a wrist injury. He isn't in any obvious pain and he uses his body so well that there isn't as much potential problem with this type of forehand over any other type of western forehand. He just has an exaggerated take back loop that everyone is noticing but if you look closely at the contact point he brushes across the ball (pull stroke) as opposed to pushing (push stroke, RE: Tricky)

There seems to be more potential risk of injury to Gonzo's or Agassi's forehand push stroke as compared to a windshield wiper motion because of the contact point pushing and not pulling.
 

Thrice

New User
Funny, I did a Google search for Lance and this thread came up. He was practicing his serve on the court next to where my son had his lesson yesterday and I was curious, because I knew he was ranked, but couldn't remember which hundreds he was in. Too bad I didn't shift the video camera over there so people could bag on his serve...4.5 at best:) Actually, what I saw looked quite good.

He went over and worked with some juniors on the other side of us for a few minutes - seemed like quite a nice guy.
 

35ft6

Legend
Hawaiian forehand in Hawaii! Lot of hitches in that forehand.

Chris Lam used to be as high as number 1 in So Cal Men's Opens.
 

[K]aotic

Semi-Pro
+ 1

That is an insane forehand. A lot of people on these forums won't appreciate the amount of athleticism it takes to hit a ball like that.

I played doubles with a guy who had a forehand similar to that (although not quite as extreme) and it was amazing how much top spin he put on the ball. Really came in handy when the other team was at the net.

with windshield wiper like strokes, he can hit with extreme spin, but no control and a higher chance to injure his wrist.

sounds like its worth it.
 

35ft6

Legend
Agreed, I want to know is what the hell type of forehand is that?
Hawaiian forehand, aka extreme western. He's basically got a continental/backhand grip, but then hits with the other side of the racket. Alberto Berasategui had a forehand like that. Less hitching, though.
 

WBF

Hall of Fame
[K]aotic;1977123 said:
with windshield wiper like strokes, he can hit with extreme spin, but no control and a higher chance to injure his wrist.

sounds like its worth it.

Are you referring to the player in the video? Do you know what sort of tournament he's in? Hot Stuff D1 players get utterly smashed just trying to *qualify* to get into some of these tournaments; the fact that he won one indicates that he obviously does have control, a superb amount of it. Not sure about his wrist though.

*edit: Actually, in order for him to use a stroke like that effectively against players of that caliber, he has obviously used it for a long time. If he had been injured multiple times before, one would imagine he would have shifted his grip. He has not. Thus it's highly likely that in his years and thousands of hours playing tennis, his grip and stroke have not caused trouble for his wrist.
 
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[K]aotic

Semi-Pro
Are you referring to the player in the video? Do you know what sort of tournament he's in? Hot Stuff D1 players get utterly smashed just trying to *qualify* to get into some of these tournaments; the fact that he won one indicates that he obviously does have control, a superb amount of it. Not sure about his wrist though.

*edit: Actually, in order for him to use a stroke like that effectively against players of that caliber, he has obviously used it for a long time. If he had been injured multiple times before, one would imagine he would have shifted his grip. He has not. Thus it's highly likely that in his years and thousands of hours playing tennis, his grip and stroke have not caused trouble for his wrist.

sorry, my post was misleading. i meant as in he wouldn't have as much control as he would probably need on the tour.
 

WBF

Hall of Fame
Ohh okay. I might agree with that. He obviously uses it very effectively, but I would imagine he could do more if he put the same work into a more traditional stroke...
 

tricky

Hall of Fame
It looks like he uses a smile pattern (a la 1H BH) for his takeback, and then in his forward swing, he executes a normal FH swing, across his body, with an extreme, extreme grip. One of Sampras's FH variations is actually like this (esp. when he wants to hit a sick running CC shot), although obviously with an Eastern grip. During the transition from height of takeback (which is also the end of his takeback) to the forward swing, he lets the forearm passively supinate to open up the racquet face.

This style can give you some of the benefits of a straight-arm FH. First, it expands the contact zone of an extreme grip. Even with a HW grip, you can hit shots below the waist with authority, and still hit back shots above shoulder level. Second, it flattens the slope of the swing, so that lets you drive through shots and hit flat, regardless of grip. Moreover (and unlike a straight-arm FH), it does this without pushing the POC farther forward relative to an equivalent WW swing.

It also has disadvantages. First, it doesn't load the shoulder as well as a normal takeback, and so pure racquet speed will not be as high. Second, because there is some necessary elbow deviation to make the transition from a smile takeback to a regular forward swing, it constricts the WW action of the stroke. Now, that seems counterintuitive given the video clip, BUT if you've seen a proper WW FH executed with a Hawaian grip, the racquet rotates almost a full circle.

However, weighing in things, he probably has a very, very heavy shot, and he probably does well with both flat bashers and topspinners. Also, this person seems to have both this kind of FH and a more normal one with his grip. I'm not sure if he plays angles that well, but his shot comes in lower than a person is used to and it kicks up really high.
 
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ipodtennispro

Guest
muscle specificity

Are you referring to the player in the video? Do you know what sort of tournament he's in? Hot Stuff D1 players get utterly smashed just trying to *qualify* to get into some of these tournaments; the fact that he won one indicates that he obviously does have control, a superb amount of it. Not sure about his wrist though.

*edit: Actually, in order for him to use a stroke like that effectively against players of that caliber, he has obviously used it for a long time. If he had been injured multiple times before, one would imagine he would have shifted his grip. He has not. Thus it's highly likely that in his years and thousands of hours playing tennis, his grip and stroke have not caused trouble for his wrist.


Good points. The body is pretty smart and builds up the muscles around the areas it needs to produce this shot without the risk of injury --- "muscle specificity" training. You practice short strokes: you get short strokes. You practice long loopy strokes: you get long loopy strokes. It's as simple as that.
 

A.Davidson

Semi-Pro
LAWL

Looks very awkward - nice, he takes a knee instead of taking a rising/half-volley?

Weird...His other shots look smooth, though, especially his service motion.
 
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