How are you guys able to spend so much money on natural gut?

#1
Everyone says natural gut is best, but it costs waaaay more than other strings and also breaks sooner than poly.

Im currently using a poly/poly hybrid which costs around 15-20$ plus stringing which is 10$, so total of 25-30$ and I tend to break strings fairly often and when I play my usual amount of tennis per week (currently not playing much) I string on average weekly, so thats 100-120$ per month.

If I would be stringing gut/poly, it would cost around 35$ plus stringing which is 10$ so thats 45$ total, and the gut would break much sooner since poly is more tough, so if I would be stringing 6-7 times per month that would be 270-315$ per month, just for strings!!!
 

AMGF

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#4
I used to race cars, gut costs nothing. Really.

That being said, you can either play full poly for 15$-20$, have a good 4hours of play, then it turns to average for another 4 hours and finally a last 8hours of crap play. Or you can pay 45$ for gut/poly that will play well for 8-10hours, average for another 8hours and then die a sudden death while serving or returning.

It's only more expensive if you count the total cost over the life of gut/poly. If you calculate the cost over the good to average playability gut/poly costs 2.80$/h (45$/16h) while full poly costs 2.50$/h (20$/8h). Not a huge difference and if you include the stringing it's 3.44$/h gut/poly vs 3.75$/full poly. Gut/poly suddenly makes sense.

What I personnally do is stock up on gut (and poly) during the black friday and Christmas sales. ;)
 
#6
Nat. gut hits well for me until it breaks and I am not that much a string breaker. The string frays rather fast, but keeps on playing well, so I get a good long life from full bed of Nat gut. I sting at relatively high tension and along with the strings great resiliency it hits well until it breaks.
 

IowaGuy

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#7
Everyone says natural gut is best, but it costs waaaay more than other strings and also breaks sooner than poly.

Im currently using a poly/poly hybrid which costs around 15-20$ plus stringing which is 10$, so total of 25-30$ and I tend to break strings fairly often and when I play my usual amount of tennis per week (currently not playing much) I string on average weekly, so thats 100-120$ per month.

If I would be stringing gut/poly, it would cost around 35$ plus stringing which is 10$ so thats 45$ total, and the gut would break much sooner since poly is more tough, so if I would be stringing 6-7 times per month that would be 270-315$ per month, just for strings!!!
Stock up when it's half price :)

I get ~25-30 hours out of full bed nat gut with string savers.

I'm not a string breaker. Probably don't shank as much as you :) hahaha
 
#9
Interesting, i didnt know about such good sales at the end of the year, that would maybe make sense then, need to try and teat to see how long they would last for me before breaking.

Do you all pre stretch the gut before stringing?
And also do you all use string savers?
 
#11
Do you all pre stretch the gut before stringing?
?
I just do a light manual pre stretch just to get rid of some of the coil memory. It greatly reduced chance of kinking the string, so it makes the stringing easier.Kink the string and you ruin it.
With light manual pre stretch you are not changing the characteristics of the string, as machine pulls the string more when pulling to reference tension.
 
#12
A) not a string breaker
B) always hybrid so only using a half set at a time
C) use lower cost gut options like legend or tonic
D) cross with a smooth round poly with good tension maintenance

In that scenario I get twice the longevity of most other options at twice the cost. But it becomes a bargain when I tally in stringing costs. Since I pay for stringing, the longer a stringbed is functional in my racket the more money I save.
 
#13
I have yet to break a set of Luxilon NG in my DR 98, it lasts me 6-8 weeks (40 hours) before the tension gets TOO loose, I'm still trying to find that perfect tension

I play at a 5.0 level with a fair amount of topspin.
I hit the ball hard with a lot of spin, and Luxilon Gut 1.30 shows no sign of breaking after four weeks. Stupendous tension loss, though.
 
#14
Same as above it lasts twice as long as full poly so double you poly costs for the same affect on your shot. If you don’t mind it losing its tension, usually the poly cross verse the gut you can get more out of it.

I don’t pay retail for my gut so poly would cost me more
 
#16
I hit the ball hard with a lot of spin, and Luxilon Gut 1.30 shows no sign of breaking after four weeks. Stupendous tension loss, though.
"I saw your post in the other thread and i've never had mine drop more than 20% something is off with RacquetTune or something
 
#18
I don't know, I am not a pro player and don't hit with the pace/spin they do.

Why is it hard to believe Natural Gut lasts a long time for some people? Don't believe what you read on forums and try out things for yourslef
Yeah I will try, I just heard that poly is a lot stiffer but much more durable, but will try it out in practice to see for miself.
 

IowaGuy

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#22
Go thick with natural gut. Try out Luxilon 1.30 a lot of people have commented on the durability of that string
Lux 1.25 is also very durable, and also holds its tension well.

@FiReFTW - you might want to give both 1.25 and 1.30 a try, they are both great strings but play a little differently from each other. I personally prefer the more lively 1.25...
 
#23
This is why: massive pace + massive spin.

Yes but he says hes 5.0+ player, so its not like his shots are 4 times slower with 4 times less spin, yet they break the strings in 2 hours but for him they last for 4 weeks, how can there be such a difference in durability, does it really raise so exponentially as the spin and pace increases?
 

IowaGuy

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#24
Yes but he says hes 5.0+ player, so its not like his shots are 4 times slower with 4 times less spin, yet they break the strings in 2 hours but for him they last for 4 weeks, how can there be such a difference in durability, does it really raise so exponentially as the spin and pace increases?
I'm not sure of the exact forces from a physics perspective and whether there is an exponential increase, but I have seen a lot of 5.0 tennis and can say from watching live ATP matches that there is a massive difference between the swing forces exerted by a male ATP pro and a 5.0 player :)

I definitely don't think all rec players get 30 hours out of gut/poly or full gut, depends a lot on their strokes. I have to use stringsavers to get more than ~12-15 hours, otherwise the crosses saw through the mains... YMMV...
 
#27
I definitely don't think all rec players get 30 hours out of gut/poly or full gut, depends a lot on their strokes. I have to use stringsavers to get more than ~12-15 hours, otherwise the crosses saw through the mains... YMMV...
Can depend on racquet used as well. A 18x20 pattern strings will last longer than an open pattern.
 
#28
I don't know, I am not a pro player and don't hit with the pace/spin they do.

Why is it hard to believe Natural Gut lasts a long time for some people? Don't believe what you read on forums and try out things for yourslef
Well i did while a junior, with a wooden racquet with dense strinbed and strung with quality gut. One of the mains broke already in less than 2 hours. Therefor no more gut until recently when i got some old gut for free to try which i plan to in a hybrid.
Sure gut is expensive when you have to buy it.
 
#31
Full poly would produce more spin IMO and using shaped poly will give you that feeling of bite on the ball but you can still produce good spin with Gut/poly hybrid.
 
#32
I used volkl cyclone full bed as well as rpm blast both stung in the mid 40’s. I hit hard and with a lot of top spin.....

Gut/yonex poly tour fire gives me at least as much spin (maybe more) and way easier on the arm.

Not going back. I string gut at 54 yonex fire at 51.

Last about 3 weeks maybe a more. About the same as a full bed of poly. I string my own.
 
#33
Also watch this review...Wait until about midway through where he hybrids. This is an ex pro saying he got the same spin potential as his shaped poly setup.

 

IowaGuy

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#34
But pros are beasts, specially goats, hows your experience?
IME, full poly has slightly more spin than gut/poly, which has slightly more spin than full gut.

But not as much difference as you might think at the rec level.

Also remember that Muster and Bruguera got as much spin using synthetic gut in the 1990's, as Nadal does now with full poly!

For me, I don't like the feel of poly. I didn't grow up using it, and I don't think it has as good of touch/feel as full gut (my game is built around touch/feel/control/volleys/serve/serve return - all of which I prefer gut over poly).

Plus gut is so much easier on the arm. Once you've played 20 more years and are my age, your arm will be thanking you for not playing full poly all that time :)

Food for thought...
 
#36
Gut/poly gets as much spin as standard round poly but less than shaped or textured poly.
But it’s minimal in my experience and I really enjoy the gut feel in the mains.
 
#38
"I saw your post in the other thread and i've never had mine drop more than 20% something is off with RacquetTune or something
I'm sure it is, but I can feel the looseness of the strings nonetheless. There's also a tremendous trampoline effect, but I can still play with it if I adjust my strokes.
 

IowaGuy

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#39
Stupendous tension loss, though.
I string my rackets a little higher than what I want to play with, and then let them sit for a few weeks before hitting with it. Gets rid of some of the inherent "creep" before you ever hit with it.

Gives me more hours of playability at my ideal tension range...

My gut will drop a few pounds of tension during that initial 2-3 weeks (according to RacquetTune). But then the tension loss slows down dramatically after an initial break-in of a couple hours of hard hitting (which drops the tension another couple of pounds).

So, for example, if my preferred tension is 55#, I would string at 61#, let sit 2-3 weeks (no hitting) until it drops to ~57#, then break it in for a couple of hours of hitting, at which point it will be near my preferred tension of 55#. It will then stay between 50-55# for the next 25 hours or so...

I like it best after about 5 hours of hitting, when the coating starts to wear off a bit and the strings seem to get better "bite" on the ball...
 
#41
Not a big string breaker so my set lasts me a long time. Love natural gut, but have had the combo hybrid pack from Babolat w/ RPM Blast. Love it. Put the guts in the main & the RPM Blast in the crosses.
 
#44
I'm sure it is, but I can feel the looseness of the strings nonetheless. There's also a tremendous trampoline effect, but I can still play with it if I adjust my strokes.
I'm trying to find that perfect tension where it would play decently until it breaks. I'm up to 65 lbs now.

I wonder if other guts have the tension loss like Luxilon
 
#45
Everyone says natural gut is best, but it costs waaaay more than other strings and also breaks sooner than poly.

Im currently using a poly/poly hybrid which costs around 15-20$ plus stringing which is 10$, so total of 25-30$ and I tend to break strings fairly often and when I play my usual amount of tennis per week (currently not playing much) I string on average weekly, so thats 100-120$ per month.

If I would be stringing gut/poly, it would cost around 35$ plus stringing which is 10$ so thats 45$ total, and the gut would break much sooner since poly is more tough, so if I would be stringing 6-7 times per month that would be 270-315$ per month, just for strings!!!
Some of us have a lot of spare cash.

Some of us also do our own stringing.

Some of us also stack up on gut when it goes on super sale, e.g., Babolat Xmas 2017, Luxilon Xmas 2018.
 
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#47
I'm trying to find that perfect tension where it would play decently until it breaks. I'm up to 65 lbs now.

I wonder if other guts have the tension loss like Luxilon
Just my observation, the tension loss is far less on earlier premium guts. I can speak to that as I have a good stock pile of VS from the 90's to 2000 or so. Not a great deal of experience with Lux, but the older gut handles very differently and strings differently. The extensive coating on older gut seems to be missing. Probably less weatherproof and maybe less durable, but the extra coatings in modern gut could affect tension reliability. I have handled other modern guts and the appearance is of a multi as the coatings really are apparent. Just 2 cents...
 
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#49
Because it lasts so long in the mains, even if the poly goes dead it never does until it breaks, overall playing with Nat gut *saves* money as I don't have to string as often, poly only lasts 3-4 matches tops before it bags out and loses its best characteristics, nat gut? Until it breaks which (if you're smart and get the 130 or 135 gauge) can be 10-15 matches for me. Hope this helps, I use Bab VS Team which gets a lot of flak on this forum but I find it to be absolutely amazing.
 
#50
You can try string savers like babolat elastocross . don't put them on new strings. maybe add them 1/2 through, not too many (just along the mains you usually break strings at) and that can keep the strings last longer and feel ok.

gut feels great but for me, physical conditioing, foot work, technic, etc. are much more important.
 
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