How bad is the French Open? Let me count the ways...

woody88

Rookie
Greetings all,

A good relaxing Friday to post what I observe from the French open. And I don't think there are many good perspective from it. They are pretty much all bad.

1. No roof...yet. The last of the grand slam to build a roof. The play has been halted for plenty of times. It has often said that the surface can withstand the rain somewhat. True. But why would you make your spectators suffer and hoist their umbrellas up, or put on some rain gear to watch a match? Oh, and how about installing some lights on your **** poor stadium? The new renovation looks like it's just to please your sponsors with all of these luxury boxes it seems.

2. No shotspot/hawkeye. I get it, clay leaves a mark. But if I was to rely on either technology or an umpire walking up, to possibly point at a wrong mark, I would take my chance with the technology. All day, every day. The technology is there. Embrace it. Use it.

3. Treatment of the ladies' semifinal participants. Well, here is a first, moving the ladies' semis to second and third courts is baffling. I get it. You didn't have any marquee players in the semis draw. But that is no way of treating lesser known women's players? Can you imagine an Osaka vs Bertens, and a Halep/Pliskova being played in Suzanne Langlen, let alone Matthieu count? I can't. Or other big names like Serena/Muguruza being relinquished to those courts? yeah, me neither

4. Organizers. You have a lot of time to play this second men's semifinals. But you decided to pull the plug, with many more hours left in the daylight. Sure, it may be touch and go. But I did see peeks of sunshine here and there. Bunch of amateurs hours here.

5. Website/mobile app. Your web designers can't even design a website properly with proper margins. When I can see a person's seeding number, bled into the score line of the match, you know there is a problem. And don't get me started on that pathetic mobile app of yours.

6. No tiebreaker in final set. I know that each grand slam is trying to have their own identity, and tweaking their own final set tiebreaker rules. But the French remain the only slam that does not have a tiebreaker for final set. Chances are we won’t see a 70-68 in the fifth set, but come on, put a cap and end the players’ misery at some point.

Lastly, not related to French open, but the broadcaster that is NBC in the states.
I really hope ESPN will buy the rights out from you guys eventually. The coverage has always been lackluster. I still remember the days when you would broadcast tape delayed matches going into the final weekend. So yes, pat yourself on the back that at least you have live streaming from NBC SC. But starting your broadcast on a Friday at 11am EDT? When it's already well into the second men's semi? Why do you bother broadcast it at all? Just toss in the towel already, give up, and let someone who is more committed to this sport to broadcast it. And what is with the move from Mike Tirico to Dan Hicks all of a sudden? Did Mike have some other broadcasting duties? Way to show how much you really care about tennis broadcasting, to stick a golf guy doing your commentary.

I'm sure I can think of many other things wrong with this tournament. But that is all I can think of for now. :)
 
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Deleted member 763691

Guest
This year's Roland Garros is the highest ranked slam since 2013 Australian Open (when Ferrer was the 4th seed).
All of the top 4 seeds made the men's semi-finals :)
Wimbledon will probably have a clown finalist like Anderson again.....or Raonic or Cilic lol
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
With regards to point 3 it's not really baffling. You think they could put them all on Chatrier and get the days play complete? What if one or both the matches had gone long? What if they had put them both on Lenglen, the first had gone long and the second didn't get finished? Scheduling wise it made total sense, and yes, while much more of a stink would have been made if a Serena or someone was out there... She wasn't. Who do you like to fill up Chatrier? Any of those 4 women, or Federer and Nadal?
 

hipolymer

Hall of Fame
The roof is coming. Patience.
oh boy I can't wait for the roof to be done in 2021 when all the big 3 are past slam-winning form

what genius from the Frenchies to have no roof for the most popular era the sport has ever seen
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Concerning the non-use of Hawkeye/Shotspot issue, I prefer it like this - without the challenges.

These tournaments are the four majors - pretty much the biggest stages and most coveted titles in the sport. The idea that the other majors use these systems on some of the courts and not all of them is unacceptably inconsistent to me. The matches at the French Open are all at least being officiated the same way.

Yes, the ball leaves a mark. Now think of what happens when the system is in use and the physical mark on the court shows something that doesn't match with the adorable video replay. Think it won't happen? Think again. Even the people who developed those gizmos know that there's perhaps a 5mm margin for error.

I look at those systems as nothing but a gimmick to entertain the masses, btw. But I really don't like them because I know that they make the officials more passive. The slow creep of machines, replays, etc. into big-time sport hasn't impressed me much. Too often the effort to "get it right" has only bogged things down and killed the flow of the event.

Sports are about people. Some play, some officiate, judge, administrate, etc. Sometimes I get the feeling that we take that for granted.

In other news, the clay court season is always tricky on TV because it's sort of hard to see the ball, especially when the court surface gets somewhat dry and lighter colored. That can get tedious. I just like how the clay offers a different brand of tennis. Soon we'll see the radical shift to the grass for a bit and then it's on to the summer hard court hammer-fest.

The worst aspect of the coverage for me is that I used to turn the volume down when the WTA screamers took to the court. Now I turn it down because too often I can't stand the blathering from the commentators. As Don Imus used to say, they make my hair hurt...
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
Lastly, not related to French open, but the broadcaster that is NBC in the states.
I really hope ESPN will buy the rights out from you guys eventually. The coverage has always been lackluster. I still remember the days when you would broadcast tape delayed matches going into the final weekend. So yes, pat yourself on the back that at least you have live streaming from NBC SC.

My experience has been that you can't view NBC Sports live streams unless you have a paid TV provider (i.e., cable), because the NBC app or website requires you to log in with your provider info. This is true even if the streaming match you would like to view is also showing on NBC's free, over-the-air broadcast. In short, for a cord-cutter NBC's online live sports coverage is absolutely useless. Even EPSN is markedly superior.
 

woody88

Rookie
My experience has been that you can't view NBC Sports live streams unless you have a paid TV provider (i.e., cable), because the NBC app or website requires you to log in with your provider info. This is true even if the streaming match you would like to view is also showing on NBC's free, over-the-air broadcast. In short, for a cord-cutter NBC's online live sports coverage is absolutely useless. Even EPSN is markedly superior.

NBC is just so bad. I really wish they would just go away. Period.
 

Simplicius

Semi-Pro
This year's Roland Garros is the highest ranked slam since 2013 Australian Open (when Ferrer was the 4th seed).
All of the top 4 seeds made the men's semi-finals :)
Wimbledon will probably have a clown finalist like Anderson again.....or Raonic or Cilic lol

Who cares about stats...
All matches, for atp & wta too, were soooooooo boring.
Maybe they make the courts "extra slow" this year.
You can guess why...
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
This year's Roland Garros is the highest ranked slam since 2013 Australian Open (when Ferrer was the 4th seed).
All of the top 4 seeds made the men's semi-finals :)
Wimbledon will probably have a clown finalist like Anderson again.....or Raonic or Cilic lol

says a lot about hte depth of clay court field that a near 38 year old went to the semi finals. allso lol atleast you admit rafa beat a clown finalist to win his uso two years ago
 

woody88

Rookie
Just saw NBC’s schedule for Saturday. They will not air anything live. It will air the match of Djokovic/Thiem at noon EDT. 6 hours after the scheduled start time. Ladies’ match will be aired at 3pm EDT. Interestingly enough, 4pm EDT is when Belmont stakes coverage supposed to come on. So looks like a condensed coverage of 1 hour dedicated to the ladies’ final. I get that it’s two relatively unknown names in the ladies’ final, but to not air it live and shrink the coverage to 1 hour?

Stay classy, NBC. And when is your French open contract expiring?

Edit: well, looks like NBC corrected their broadcast schedule, and at least we have live tennis on Saturday.
 
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Deleted member 763691

Guest
says a lot about hte depth of clay court field that a near 38 year old went to the semi finals. allso lol atleast you admit rafa beat a clown finalist to win his uso two years ago
Isn't Federer supposed to be in the semi-finals?
He's ranked 4th, so his results throughout the 52 week season indicate that he belongs in slam semis.
In fact even more so when you consider that the younger stars (other than Thiem) aren't good at slams :)
The clay/grass/hardcourt field is not supposed to stop Federer from reaching a slam semi.
I agree, Rafa and Djokovic beat Anderson in a slam final, and that shows Wimbledon and the US Open are not legit, whereas Roland Garros is.....
The best players excel at Roland Garros.
European players grow up on clay :)
 

thomasferrett

Hall of Fame
Most annoying thing about the whole tournament is the feverishness with which they ban YouTube highlight footage. And then they post their own abysmal highlights of the matches which are approx. 3 mins long (even for a 5 set match) and don't show important points like break points and set points.

The whole organization of the tournament is run in a pretty mean-spirited way and lacks the fun spirit of the Australian Open or the class of Wimbledon.

And I say that as someone who actually prefers grinding clay court tennis the most so it's doubly dissapointing that the worst run Slam produces some of the best tennis.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Isn't Federer supposed to be in the semi-finals?
He's ranked 4th, so his results throughout the 52 week season indicate that he belongs in slam semis.
In fact even more so when you consider that the younger stars (other than Thiem) aren't good at slams :)
The clay/grass/hardcourt field is not supposed to stop Federer from reaching a slam semi.
I agree, Rafa and Djokovic beat Anderson in a slam final, and that shows Wimbledon and the US Open are not legit, whereas Roland Garros is.....
The best players excel at Roland Garros.
European players grow up on clay :)
Lol.ok
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Isn't Federer supposed to be in the semi-finals?
He's ranked 4th, so his results throughout the 52 week season indicate that he belongs in slam semis.
In fact even more so when you consider that the younger stars (other than Thiem) aren't good at slams :)
The clay/grass/hardcourt field is not supposed to stop Federer from reaching a slam semi.
I agree, Rafa and Djokovic beat Anderson in a slam final, and that shows Wimbledon and the US Open are not legit, whereas Roland Garros is.....
The best players excel at Roland Garros.
European players grow up on clay :)

Yes and no. He should make it to the semi-final with the draw he had and because on paper he has proven he belongs there, this is true. However, he has not played clay in 4 years (that is a pretty big concern), and Djoker and Nadal both played each other at Wimbledon before the final. Thiem lost to Nadal at the US and Del Po is a great hard court player. So I think the best players is determined differently by the surface.

I think what you are trying to say, is there is a massive gap between the top players on clay and there is not a huge gap of top players on other surfaces.
 

Grampa

Semi-Pro
Isn't Federer supposed to be in the semi-finals?
He's ranked 4th, so his results throughout the 52 week season indicate that he belongs in slam semis.
In fact even more so when you consider that the younger stars (other than Thiem) aren't good at slams :)
The clay/grass/hardcourt field is not supposed to stop Federer from reaching a slam semi.
I agree, Rafa and Djokovic beat Anderson in a slam final, and that shows Wimbledon and the US Open are not legit, whereas Roland Garros is.....
The best players excel at Roland Garros.
European players grow up on clay :)
Ferrer and Thiem made the FO finals, the latter hadn't even won an masters or a legit 500 on clay and had a single frickin' masters final, not to mention a doper had made it to the finals 14 years ago :laughing:
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Greetings all,

A good relaxing Friday to post what I observe from the French open. And I don't think there are many good perspective from it. They are pretty much all bad.

1. No roof...yet. The last of the grand slam to build a roof. The play has been halted for plenty of times. It has often said that the surface can withstand the rain somewhat. True. But why would you make your spectators suffer and hoist their umbrellas up, or put on some rain gear to watch a match? Oh, and how about installing some lights on your **** poor stadium? The new renovation looks like it's just to please your sponsors with all of these luxury boxes it seems.

2. No shotspot/hawkeye. I get it, clay leaves a mark. But if I was to rely on either technology or an umpire walking up, to possibly point at a wrong mark, I would take my chance with the technology. All day, every day. The technology is there. Embrace it. Use it.

3. Treatment of the ladies' semifinal participants. Well, here is a first, moving the ladies' semis to second and third courts is baffling. I get it. You didn't have any marquee players in the semis draw. But that is no way of treating lesser known women's players? Can you imagine an Osaka vs Bertens, and a Halep/Pliskova being played in Suzanne Langlen, let alone Matthieu count? I can't. Or other big names like Serena/Muguruza being relinquished to those courts? yeah, me neither

4. Organizers. You have a lot of time to play this second men's semifinals. But you decided to pull the plug, with many more hours left in the daylight. Sure, it may be touch and go. But I did see peeks of sunshine here and there. Bunch of amateurs hours here.

5. Website/mobile app. Your web designers can't even design a website properly with proper margins. When I can see a person's seeding number, bled into the score line of the match, you know there is a problem. And don't get me started on that pathetic mobile app of yours.

Lastly, not related to French open, but the broadcaster that is NBC in the states.
I really hope ESPN will buy the rights out from you guys eventually. The coverage has always been lackluster. I still remember the days when you would broadcast tape delayed matches going into the final weekend. So yes, pat yourself on the back that at least you have live streaming from NBC SC. But starting your broadcast on a Friday at 11am EDT? When it's already well into the second men's semi? Why do you bother broadcast it at all? Just toss in the towel already, give up, and let someone who is more committed to this sport to broadcast it. And what is with the move from Mike Tirico to Dan Hicks all of a sudden? Did Mike have some other broadcasting duties? Way to show how much you really care about tennis broadcasting, to stick a golf guy doing your commentary.

I'm sure I can think of many other things wrong with this tournament. But that is all I can think of for now. :)

Worst thing is they have the same guy win it almost 12 times now. Zzzzz
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
Worst thing is they have the same guy win it almost 12 times now. Zzzzz
That is the true reason people are disguising under the excuse of clay tennis, and RG poor organization.
Had Federer won this year’s RG, it would have been the slam of the century.
Da*n winds.
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
Greetings all,

A good relaxing Friday to post what I observe from the French open. And I don't think there are many good perspective from it. They are pretty much all bad.

1. No roof...yet. The last of the grand slam to build a roof. The play has been halted for plenty of times. It has often said that the surface can withstand the rain somewhat. True. But why would you make your spectators suffer and hoist their umbrellas up, or put on some rain gear to watch a match? Oh, and how about installing some lights on your **** poor stadium? The new renovation looks like it's just to please your sponsors with all of these luxury boxes it seems.

2. No shotspot/hawkeye. I get it, clay leaves a mark. But if I was to rely on either technology or an umpire walking up, to possibly point at a wrong mark, I would take my chance with the technology. All day, every day. The technology is there. Embrace it. Use it.

3. Treatment of the ladies' semifinal participants. Well, here is a first, moving the ladies' semis to second and third courts is baffling. I get it. You didn't have any marquee players in the semis draw. But that is no way of treating lesser known women's players? Can you imagine an Osaka vs Bertens, and a Halep/Pliskova being played in Suzanne Langlen, let alone Matthieu count? I can't. Or other big names like Serena/Muguruza being relinquished to those courts? yeah, me neither

4. Organizers. You have a lot of time to play this second men's semifinals. But you decided to pull the plug, with many more hours left in the daylight. Sure, it may be touch and go. But I did see peeks of sunshine here and there. Bunch of amateurs hours here.

5. Website/mobile app. Your web designers can't even design a website properly with proper margins. When I can see a person's seeding number, bled into the score line of the match, you know there is a problem. And don't get me started on that pathetic mobile app of yours.

Lastly, not related to French open, but the broadcaster that is NBC in the states.
I really hope ESPN will buy the rights out from you guys eventually. The coverage has always been lackluster. I still remember the days when you would broadcast tape delayed matches going into the final weekend. So yes, pat yourself on the back that at least you have live streaming from NBC SC. But starting your broadcast on a Friday at 11am EDT? When it's already well into the second men's semi? Why do you bother broadcast it at all? Just toss in the towel already, give up, and let someone who is more committed to this sport to broadcast it. And what is with the move from Mike Tirico to Dan Hicks all of a sudden? Did Mike have some other broadcasting duties? Way to show how much you really care about tennis broadcasting, to stick a golf guy doing your commentary.

I'm sure I can think of many other things wrong with this tournament. But that is all I can think of for now. :)

Add horrible random highlights here. Even abomination which is a WTA-site has better highlights nowadays.
 

Luka888

Professional
I feel bad because of the players. They deserve better. By the time RG installs the roof and freaking lights we might not be even able to watch Rafa, Nole, and Fed. They really screwed it up this year. Like really. Whatever.
 

Gazelle

G.O.A.T.
Ferrer and Thiem made the FO finals, the latter hadn't even won an masters or a legit 500 on clay and had a single frickin' masters final, not to mention a doper had made it to the finals 14 years ago :laughing:

And the following 14 years
 
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