How big is posibillity for Fed to experience another Millman ?

OhYes

Legend
Roger "we love you", is not in good position. He has suffered 2 damaging losses in his favourite tournaments, celebrated 38 (what timing eh), I bet he is having various thoughts right now. Struggling to stay positive, but he knows he can go out early.
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
The chances of another Millman experience will get close to 100% once he’s 1 match away from Djokodal.

Or should we call it Robredo experience?
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
It would be grand if you could appreciate an old man still being able to reach slam finals, and even play that close to the totally and utterly dominant and superior EMW.

Fed even beat Rafa to meet Novak, why shouldn't he be able to win against Millman types?

It's quite understandable that his form will vary more than ever at this age. He has not done well at the Open for years, definitely not a favourite.

All Big3 can face someone who has a really good day, and when that happens, they are all in danger.
 

imageFAM

Rookie
very possible because of the apparent "slowed down" and "homogenised" us open courts + "lack of ventilation" in arthur ashe.
 

OhYes

Legend
It would be grand if you could appreciate an old man still being able to reach slam finals, and even play that close to the totally and utterly dominant and superior EMW.

Fed even beat Rafa to meet Novak, why shouldn't he be able to win against Millman types?

It's quite understandable that his form will vary more than ever at this age. He has not done well at the Open for years, definitely not a favourite.

All Big3 can face someone who has a really good day, and when that happens, they are all in danger.
I am more than surprised in his ability to do what he did at Wimbledon, but this is another kind of question that is made bcs of everything he has been through in last 2 months.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
:laughing:
But seriously, I don't know why is he perceived as 3rd favourite for trophy, for some people even 2nd.
There's a lot of unknowns of course. ANy player can have an off day.

But he reached the semis of FG (losing to the winner) on clay and was within a whisker of beating the man you consider to be GOAT (who is six years younger) on a slow Wimbledon court.

There is no logical reason why he should be ruled out of contention for US, leaving aside the constant speculation about his supposed mental torment from people who don't actually know him. For all we know it could have given him a huge dose of extra motivation?
 

OhYes

Legend
why not? he played really good last two slams. flew through the field.
if he gets a good draw, everything is possible.
Millman was good draw too.
There's a lot of unknowns of course. ANy player can have an off day.

But he reached the semis of FG (losing to the winner) on clay and was within a whisker of beating the man you consider to be GOAT (who is six years younger) on a slow Wimbledon court.

There is no logical reason why he should be ruled out of contention for US, leaving aside the constant speculation about his supposed mental torment from people who don't actually know him. For all we know it could have given him a huge dose of extra motivation?

I am just saying. If Kinky result didn't happen, I wouldn't ask this question at all. He didn't have the time to prepare himself and we were all wondering how will he behave in his favorite Masters after that Wimby final.
Slow news day in Serbia ?
 

Towny

Professional
It's certainly possible. But perhaps the Rublev loss will cause him to focus more when it comes to the USO. Fed has just reached the most recent slam final, beating Nadal en-route and came 1 point away from beating Djokovic. Given he's not injured this year as far as I can tell (unlike in the last 3 editions of the USO), he's likely to perform to a decent standard. He can always be taken out by an in-form player, like with Tsitsipas at the USO. But I think a Millman type loss is unlikely
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame
It's certainly possible. But perhaps the Rublev loss will cause him to focus more when it comes to the USO. Fed has just reached the most recent slam final, beating Nadal en-route and came 1 point away from beating Djokovic. Given he's not injured this year as far as I can tell (unlike in the last 3 editions of the USO), he's likely to perform to a decent standard. He can always be taken out by an in-form player, like with Tsitsipas at the USO. But I think a Millman type loss is unlikely
Why only the last 3? Say right away he was injured at USO since 2008.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
I am just saying
That's fine. But for all we know Novak is also wondering how the hell a man he probably assumed he'd seen off four years ago could get so close, especially on a slow court. Shouldn't Fed have done much less well than he did four years ago? At what point is he actually going to decline? What if Novak's rate of decline is much faster than Fed's and Fed wants to keep on playing? Perhaps if Fed had won he would have decided to call it quits and Novak could finally get to be the main man AND sweep past the Slam Record with relative ease? Maybe he's wondering how Medvedev could beat him fair and square when he wasn't even playing badly? Maybe things seem a little more complicated than they did.

For the record, I'm not claiming Novak is thinking any of these things, cos, obviously I'm not in his head! And maybe Fed is deciding now he doesn't want to go through the pain again and will retire at the end of the year. All these things are possible. I just don't see why Fed's state of mind is up for constant speculation when it seems like Novak's might be looked at too.
 

OhYes

Legend
That's fine. But for all we know Novak is also wondering how the hell a man he probably assumed he'd seen off four years ago could get so close, especially on a slow court. Shouldn't Fed have done much less well than he did four years ago? At what point is he actually going to decline? What if Novak's rate of decline is much faster than Fed's and Fed wants to keep on playing? Perhaps if Fed had won he would have decided to call it quits and Novak could finally get to be the main man AND sweep past the Slam Record with relative ease? Maybe he's wondering how Medvedev could beat him fair and square when he wasn't even playing badly? Maybe things seem a little more complicated than they did.

For the record, I'm not claiming Novak is thinking any of these things, cos, obviously I'm not in his head! And maybe Fed is deciding now he doesn't want to go through the pain again and will retire at the end of the year. All these things are possible. I just don't see why Fed's state of mind is up for constant speculation when it seems like Novak's might be looked at too.
Novak was surprised with Medvedev taking so much risk, but he is calm because he knows Medvedev can't replicate that risky game in UO. We could say that he might be a little bit pissed since Cincy title was in his reach.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
because he knows Medvedev can't replicate that risky game in UO.
I don't think he's bricking himself about Mad Lad either but I doubt he wants to see his name in the draw. But neither of us actually knows.

My point remains - everyone is assuming they know all about Fed's state of mind but we really don't. You could make a logical case for a number of different scenarios and unless we know him really well we shouldn't assume which one is correct.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Roger "we love you", is not in good position. He has suffered 2 damaging losses in his favourite tournaments, celebrated 38 (what timing eh), I bet he is having various thoughts right now. Struggling to stay positive, but he knows he can go out early.
lmao that bugs you, innit
 

OhYes

Legend
I don't think he's bricking himself about Mad Lad either but I doubt he wants to see his name in the draw. But neither of us actually knows.

My point remains - everyone is assuming they know all about Fed's state of mind but we really don't. You could make a logical case for a number of different scenarios and unless we know him really well we shouldn't assume which one is correct.
I understand your point, but what shall we talk about then ? Find me a topic. :giggle:
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
I understand your point, but what shall we talk about then ? Find me a topic. :giggle:
Well, you're not on my Ignore list so at some point I must have assumed you're a genuine Djoko fan rather than a Fed hater.

Perhaps you need to try harder?
:p
 

OhYes

Legend
Well, you're not on my Ignore list so at some point I must have assumed you're a genuine Djoko fan rather than a Fed hater.

Perhaps you need to try harder?
:p
You actually have ignore list ? :cautious:
I have just 1 and even he is semi ignored.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
You actually have ignore list ? :cautious:
I have just 1 and even he is semi ignored.
It's pretty huge.

It's necessary because otherwise I get too irritated to stay polite and rational. I write things I shouldn't on the "they did it first" principle.
 

yokied

Professional
For all we know Novak is also wondering how the hell a man he probably assumed he'd seen off four years ago could get so close, especially on a slow court ... At what point is he actually going to decline? What if Novak's rate of decline is much faster than Fed's and Fed wants to keep on playing? ... Maybe he's wondering how Medvedev could beat him fair and square when he wasn't even playing badly?

I just don't see why Fed's state of mind is up for constant speculation when it seems like Novak's might be looked at too.
Good post. Fed was not only get close, he had him, which is why it hurts. Anyway, Novak is in rare territory. He is the youngest GOAT candidate he has encountered and has gradually turned all his rivalries in his favour. Only Stan has been able to turn the tables on the matchup in majors and that seems unlikely to recur with Stan. What happens to Novak's psychology if Fed or Nadal can turn the tables is very much unknown. Novak lives for the fight so he will probably rebound just as well as Fed does from big losses, as long as he doesn't let the on-court stuff leak into the personal life and then cycle back.

Novak's decline is already underway. He'll stave it off long enough so that his trajectory doesn't intersect with Fed's. Nadal has already declined below Fed. The evidence isn't fully irrefutable yet, so I would expect to encounter resistance on that topic..

Goats goating
Awesome.

Novak was surprised with Medvedev taking so much risk, but he is calm because he knows Medvedev can't replicate that risky game in UO. We could say that he might be a little bit pissed since Cincy title was in his reach.
Like a lot of your posts, you seem not to be burdened by familiarity with the tennis you're commenting on. Medvedev beat him fair and square and what was remarkable was that it was without much risk. He hit deep but wasn't painting lines at 150kph or goating in any particular category other than the change in 2nd serve tactics. Novak was trying hard to win but couldn't find a way and got flipped midway through a match in a way he hasn't experienced in a long, long time.
 

OhYes

Legend
Like a lot of your posts, you seem not to be burdened by familiarity with the tennis you're commenting on. Medvedev beat him fair and square and what was remarkable was that it was without much risk. He hit deep but wasn't painting lines at 150kph or goating in any particular category other than the change in 2nd serve tactics. Novak was trying hard to win but couldn't find a way and got flipped midway through a match in a way he hasn't experienced in a long, long time.
Medvedev was serving second serves like his first, he said that himself and Novak said that too. As for that first part... keep tracking, I might surprise you here and there :sneaky:
 

Federer-25

New User
Federer has been very unlucky at USO since his last win with multiple injury filled campaign and goating/clutch Djokovic.

I think with the surprise Cincy loss he will be raring to go out there.
I expect a great run like 2015 or 2011 and with Djokovic looking vulnerable it will be a good match even though I will hope Djokovic loses early.
 

weakera

Hall of Fame
Honestly less of a chance than in prior years. He'll be on his toes this year after all the USO heartbreak. He may have a resurgent run similar to Bull Wimbledon 2018.
 

OhYes

Legend
Federer has been very unlucky at USO since his last win with multiple injury filled campaign and goating/clutch Djokovic.

I think with the surprise Cincy loss he will be raring to go out there.
I expect a great run like 2015 or 2011 and with Djokovic looking vulnerable it will be a good match even though I will hope Djokovic loses early.
Honestly less of a chance than in prior years. He'll be on his toes this year after all the USO heartbreak. He may have a resurgent run similar to Bull Wimbledon 2018.
Interesting views. Maybe he will be more concentrated and eager to win at the beginning, which can cost him in later stages.
 

Towny

Professional
It can be argued about 2017, but he clearly wasn’t injured in 2018 :rolleyes:



So do we suppose Federer was lying then about his hand injury?

And presumably you're happy to accept he was injured in 2016, given he didn't play at all after Wimbledon?
 

The Blond Blur

Professional
Rog is only getting older, and the longer the season drags on the more tired he gets. The USO is the best chance the field has against him, and the last couple of years they take care of him before he reaches another Big 3 member. I think he makes the QFs and depending on who he draws that'll be as far as he goes.
 

Yugram

Hall of Fame



So do we suppose Federer was lying then about his hand injury?

And presumably you're happy to accept he was injured in 2016, given he didn't play at all after Wimbledon?
So why did he play in 2018 if "I hurt my hand in training at the start of the grass season,"? Not the smartest decision, huh?

And I suppose maestronians missed this line: "That should not be an excuse, and we’re not going to make a fuss about it."
 

Towny

Professional
So why did he play in 2018 if "I hurt my hand in training at the start of the grass season,"? Not the smartest decision, huh?

And I suppose maestronians missed this line: "That should not be an excuse, and we’re not going to make a fuss about it."
It's not an excuse but it's a fact. You said he wasn't injured but he clearly was. He chose to play and lost early - that's on him. But the reality is that he was injured the past 3 editions of the USO. He hasn't mentioned injury this year, nor is it evident. As such, I doubt we'll get a Millman type loss, though it is always possible
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster



So do we suppose Federer was lying then about his hand injury?

And presumably you're happy to accept he was injured in 2016, given he didn't play at all after Wimbledon?
Pwnage. Of course it’s easy, considering the draw. (y)
 
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