How can people claim this as a "weak era"?

Galaxy

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It's so hypocritical. Federer had one of the weakest eras in history from 2005 - 2007. His only competition was Nadal, and Nadal was still a baby at that time! He made a Wimbledon final in his 2nd time playing it! Fedfans seem to be blind.

But, for those who still don't believe, let's compare the two years people call weak: 2006 and 2015.

2006:
Federer's finals:

Hard:
  • Qatar - Monfils. Lol.
  • AO - Baghdatis. Lol.
  • Dubai - Nadal. Loses. On fast hard court.
  • Indian Wells - Blake. Lol
  • Miami - Lube. Lol. (Also his pigeon)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Nadal (Nothing shameful in this, but almost losing to 18yo Djokovic is LOL)
  • Rome - Nadal (Loses in 5 tough sets, two match points, props to him for making this)
  • FO - Nadal (Again, no shame, but winning the first set 6-1 then rolling over? Wtf)
Grass:
  • Halle - Berdych (Berdych has always given him trouble so I'll give him this)
  • Wimbledon - Nadal (Wasn't this Nadal's second time in the tournament EVER?)
Hard:
  • Toronto - Gasquet. Lol.
  • Cincinatti - Oh wait he didn't make it because 19yo Murray destroyed him lol
  • USO - Roddick. (Eh I'll give it to him)
  • Tokyo - Henman. Lol.
Indoor:
  • Madrid - Gonzalez (He was playing great so I'll give it to him)
  • Basel - Gonzalez (Same as above)
  • Shanghai - Blake. Lol.

2015:
Djokovic's finals:

Hard:
  • AO - Murray (Resurgent Murray, 2 GS champion)
  • Dubai - Federer. (Loses, but 17 GS champ, beats Djokovic in straights)
  • Indian Wells - Federer (Same, but wins)
  • Miami - Murray (Still resurgent, 2 GS champ)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Berdych (Berdych IS his pigeon but he beats Nadal in the semis)
  • Rome - Federer (Hmmm Fed is making an awful lot of finals)
  • FO - Wawa. Loses. (2 GS champ, Godrinka showed up, nobody could've won against him)
Grass:
  • Wimbledon - Federer (7 time Wimbledon champ, made finals last year and almost beat him)
Hard:
  • Montreal - Murray. Loses.
  • Cincinatti - Federer. Loses (7 time champ)
  • US Open - Federer. (5 time champ, favorite to win the title)
Indoor:
  • China - Nadal. Kinda an lol. Nadal sucks indoors.
  • Shanghai - Tsonga. Lol.
  • Paris - Murray.
  • London - Federer (6 time champ)
So. People can say "Federer is old" all they want, but that doesn't excuse him from making all those finals in 2015. Federer faced only two grand slam champs in 2006, and that was Nadal and Roddick. Djokovic faced four.

2015 >>>> 2006 in terms of competition
 
fundrazer

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Why did your post deserve its own thread when you could have just posted this to one of the dozen other threads discussing "weak eras?" We don't need MORE threads discussing the same topics every frickin day. Sheesh.

Also I'd probably go as far to say that Bagdhatis played at a higher level in his 2006 run than most of what Murray produced last year. Certainly a better showing than the one Murray gave a few weeks ago in the final.
 
edmondsm

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Seems like you highlight Fed getting drubbed by Rafa in the FO final, but then make an excuse for Novak when the same happened against Stan. Seems to me there is more pride in getting whooped by a 14 time GS champ in his prime then a 2 time champ on a hot streak.
 
tennisaddict

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Talking about era but looking at just the final opponents ? LOL. Incidentally that backfires, because it shows clearly that Fed faced varied opponents while Novak faced predominantly 34.5 year old in 3 of the 5 big tournaments or 2-22Mugray.

OP makes an idiot of himself.
 
tennis_pro

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Riiiight....this thread settles it for sure.

Who cares about one year to year comparison. Both 2006 and 2015 were weak (althought prime Nadal playing in 2006 makes 2006 stronger than 2015). The difference is that Djokovic has it weak for almost TWO years now with no sight of this state of things coming to an end.

Federer is even older, Nadal is declining even more, Wawrinka won't even have that one epic run he usually has, Murray at no 2 with a 2-22 record against the top 5

which would all be fine if there was something to wait for!

A complete lack of new generation.
 
TommyA8X

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Galaxy said:
It's so hypocritical. Federer had one of the weakest eras in history from 2005 - 2007. His only competition was Nadal, and Nadal was still a baby at that time! He made a Wimbledon final in his 2nd time playing it! Fedfans seem to be blind.

But, for those who still don't believe, let's compare the two years people call weak: 2006 and 2015.

2006:
Federer's finals:

Hard:
  • Qatar - Monfils. Lol.
  • AO - Baghdatis. Lol.
  • Dubai - Nadal. Loses. On fast hard court.
  • Indian Wells - Blake. Lol
  • Miami - Lube. Lol. (Also his pigeon)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Nadal (Nothing shameful in this, but almost losing to 18yo Djokovic is LOL)
  • Rome - Nadal (Loses in 5 tough sets, two match points, props to him for making this)
  • FO - Nadal (Again, no shame, but winning the first set 6-1 then rolling over? Wtf)
Grass:
  • Halle - Berdych (Berdych has always given him trouble so I'll give him this)
  • Wimbledon - Nadal (Wasn't this Nadal's second time in the tournament EVER?)
Hard:
  • Toronto - Gasquet. Lol.
  • Cincinatti - Oh wait he didn't make it because 19yo Murray destroyed him lol
  • USO - Roddick. (Eh I'll give it to him)
  • Tokyo - Henman. Lol.
Indoor:
  • Madrid - Gonzalez (He was playing great so I'll give it to him)
  • Basel - Gonzalez (Same as above)
  • Shanghai - Blake. Lol.

2015:
Djokovic's finals:

Hard:
  • AO - Murray (Resurgent Murray, 2 GS champion)
  • Dubai - Federer. (Loses, but 17 GS champ, beats Djokovic in straights)
  • Indian Wells - Federer (Same, but wins)
  • Miami - Murray (Still resurgent, 2 GS champ)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Berdych (Berdych IS his pigeon but he beats Nadal in the semis)
  • Rome - Federer (Hmmm Fed is making an awful lot of finals)
  • FO - Wawa. Loses. (2 GS champ, Godrinka showed up, nobody could've won against him)
Grass:
  • Wimbledon - Federer (7 time Wimbledon champ, made finals last year and almost beat him)
Hard:
  • Montreal - Murray. Loses.
  • Cincinatti - Federer. Loses (7 time champ)
  • US Open - Federer. (5 time champ, favorite to win the title)
Indoor:
  • China - Nadal. Kinda an lol. Nadal sucks indoors.
  • Shanghai - Tsonga. Lol.
  • Paris - Murray.
  • London - Federer (6 time champ)
So. People can say "Federer is old" all they want, but that doesn't excuse him from making all those finals in 2015. Federer faced only two grand slam champs in 2006, and that was Nadal and Roddick. Djokovic faced four.

2015 >>>> 2006 in terms of competition
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2-22 or something against top 5 in the past how many years?
 
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I think it is quite obvious for some time now that some fans are trying to discredit the player they don't like. Federer was called a weak era beneficiary, Djokovic is in a same situation now. It is all pointless, but what can we do. At least there are still true tennis fans who just like tennis and are enjoying it without any hatred towards any player.
 
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Garbage thread. Eight of the current top 10 were in the top 20 in 2006. Now they're TEN years older, and they're still in the top ten. This thread fails on so many levels.

Somebody pointed out, that Federer at the same age that Djokovic is now was the second oldest player in the top 10. In 2016, Djokovic is the second youngest in the top 10. Unless of course, you believe older is better.

But, don't let facts get in the way of your agenda!:rolleyes:
 
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Krish872007

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Galaxy said:
It's so hypocritical. Federer had one of the weakest eras in history from 2005 - 2007. His only competition was Nadal, and Nadal was still a baby at that time! He made a Wimbledon final in his 2nd time playing it! Fedfans seem to be blind.

But, for those who still don't believe, let's compare the two years people call weak: 2006 and 2015.

2006:
Federer's finals:

Hard:
  • Qatar - Monfils. Lol.
  • AO - Baghdatis. Lol.
  • Dubai - Nadal. Loses. On fast hard court.
  • Indian Wells - Blake. Lol
  • Miami - Lube. Lol. (Also his pigeon)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Nadal (Nothing shameful in this, but almost losing to 18yo Djokovic is LOL)
  • Rome - Nadal (Loses in 5 tough sets, two match points, props to him for making this)
  • FO - Nadal (Again, no shame, but winning the first set 6-1 then rolling over? Wtf)
Grass:
  • Halle - Berdych (Berdych has always given him trouble so I'll give him this)
  • Wimbledon - Nadal (Wasn't this Nadal's second time in the tournament EVER?)
Hard:
  • Toronto - Gasquet. Lol.
  • Cincinatti - Oh wait he didn't make it because 19yo Murray destroyed him lol
  • USO - Roddick. (Eh I'll give it to him)
  • Tokyo - Henman. Lol.
Indoor:
  • Madrid - Gonzalez (He was playing great so I'll give it to him)
  • Basel - Gonzalez (Same as above)
  • Shanghai - Blake. Lol.

2015:
Djokovic's finals:

Hard:
  • AO - Murray (Resurgent Murray, 2 GS champion)
  • Dubai - Federer. (Loses, but 17 GS champ, beats Djokovic in straights)
  • Indian Wells - Federer (Same, but wins)
  • Miami - Murray (Still resurgent, 2 GS champ)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Berdych (Berdych IS his pigeon but he beats Nadal in the semis)
  • Rome - Federer (Hmmm Fed is making an awful lot of finals)
  • FO - Wawa. Loses. (2 GS champ, Godrinka showed up, nobody could've won against him)
Grass:
  • Wimbledon - Federer (7 time Wimbledon champ, made finals last year and almost beat him)
Hard:
  • Montreal - Murray. Loses.
  • Cincinatti - Federer. Loses (7 time champ)
  • US Open - Federer. (5 time champ, favorite to win the title)
Indoor:
  • China - Nadal. Kinda an lol. Nadal sucks indoors.
  • Shanghai - Tsonga. Lol.
  • Paris - Murray.
  • London - Federer (6 time champ)
So. People can say "Federer is old" all they want, but that doesn't excuse him from making all those finals in 2015. Federer faced only two grand slam champs in 2006, and that was Nadal and Roddick. Djokovic faced four.

2015 >>>> 2006 in terms of competition
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Very true. We are actually in the strongest era I've seen at the moment. And it's been getting progressively stronger.

So 2015>>2014>>>>2013=2012>>2011>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2010>>>>>>>>>2009=2008>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2007>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2005=2004>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2006

And Federer is playing unbelievable tennis right now despite his many technical limitations. Great serve and improved forehand, backhand and movement from 10 years ago. The key though is his unmatched mental strength and clever junkballing while daring to even compete with greater talents of this era like Berdych, let along Djokovic and Murray. He's almost a journeyman's journeyman who can scrap his way through the draws and receive a few sympathy gifts here and there, but just never had the ability to compete with the best when they were playing at 50% of their potential.
 
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Emperor of Belgrade said:
I think it is quite obvious for some time now that some fans are trying to discredit the player they don't like. Federer was called a weak era beneficiary, Djokovic is in a same situation now. It is all pointless, but what can we do. At least there are still true tennis fans who just like tennis and are enjoying it without any hatred towards any player.
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Shhhhhh. No sensibility in this thread.
 
Service Ace

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Djokovic has ZERO competition. This is the weakest era in Open Era history. When the WTA is more competitive than the ATP, you CANNOT claim this era not to be weak. Bye troll.
 
Russeljones

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That Gaius Marius was also overrated. He killed close to 150k Germans in one battle but how many of those had been even village chieftains? Weak era!
 
metsman

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tennis_pro said:
2004.2005,2007 were not weak.

So no, just because 1 out of 4 years were weak doesn't mean that the entire era was.

End of story.
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and even if 2006 was weaker fed still had it tougher at the majors than Djoker did in 2015. Equal finals opponents at the AO in terms of level they played (on for 2 sets, bad for 2), Federer tougher pre-final opponents. Tougher at FO because Nadal. Similar draws at Wimbledon. Fed had a tougher draw at the USO. 2006 lacked some consistency at the top but it gad guys peaking at different parts of the year which 2015 did not besides Wawrinka at the French. So that is obviously not going to show up in the rankings. But I would say 2006 was the weakest year for top players in the Fed era but also one of the deeper years.
 
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Galaxy said:
It's so hypocritical. Federer had one of the weakest eras in history from 2005 - 2007. His only competition was Nadal, and Nadal was still a baby at that time! He made a Wimbledon final in his 2nd time playing it! Fedfans seem to be blind.

But, for those who still don't believe, let's compare the two years people call weak: 2006 and 2015.

2006:
Federer's finals:

Hard:
  • Qatar - Monfils. Lol.
  • AO - Baghdatis. Lol.
  • Dubai - Nadal. Loses. On fast hard court.
  • Indian Wells - Blake. Lol
  • Miami - Lube. Lol. (Also his pigeon)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Nadal (Nothing shameful in this, but almost losing to 18yo Djokovic is LOL)
  • Rome - Nadal (Loses in 5 tough sets, two match points, props to him for making this)
  • FO - Nadal (Again, no shame, but winning the first set 6-1 then rolling over? Wtf)
Grass:
  • Halle - Berdych (Berdych has always given him trouble so I'll give him this)
  • Wimbledon - Nadal (Wasn't this Nadal's second time in the tournament EVER?)
Hard:
  • Toronto - Gasquet. Lol.
  • Cincinatti - Oh wait he didn't make it because 19yo Murray destroyed him lol
  • USO - Roddick. (Eh I'll give it to him)
  • Tokyo - Henman. Lol.
Indoor:
  • Madrid - Gonzalez (He was playing great so I'll give it to him)
  • Basel - Gonzalez (Same as above)
  • Shanghai - Blake. Lol.

2015:
Djokovic's finals:

Hard:
  • AO - Murray (Resurgent Murray, 2 GS champion)
  • Dubai - Federer. (Loses, but 17 GS champ, beats Djokovic in straights)
  • Indian Wells - Federer (Same, but wins)
  • Miami - Murray (Still resurgent, 2 GS champ)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Berdych (Berdych IS his pigeon but he beats Nadal in the semis)
  • Rome - Federer (Hmmm Fed is making an awful lot of finals)
  • FO - Wawa. Loses. (2 GS champ, Godrinka showed up, nobody could've won against him)
Grass:
  • Wimbledon - Federer (7 time Wimbledon champ, made finals last year and almost beat him)
Hard:
  • Montreal - Murray. Loses.
  • Cincinatti - Federer. Loses (7 time champ)
  • US Open - Federer. (5 time champ, favorite to win the title)
Indoor:
  • China - Nadal. Kinda an lol. Nadal sucks indoors.
  • Shanghai - Tsonga. Lol.
  • Paris - Murray.
  • London - Federer (6 time champ)
So. People can say "Federer is old" all they want, but that doesn't excuse him from making all those finals in 2015. Federer faced only two grand slam champs in 2006, and that was Nadal and Roddick. Djokovic faced four.

2015 >>>> 2006 in terms of competition
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It's the fed fans but hurt
 
tennisaddict

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Djokodal Fan said:
Fed era was not even a weak era, it should be called a Joke era.

facing pigeons after pigeons and jokers like Gonzalez, Philippoussis, Baghdatis....enough said!
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Worse than #2-22 Mugray, 34.5 year old Fed in 3 out of 5 finals ? Ferrer and Berdych in top 6.. LOOOLLL...
 
jm1980

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tennisaddict said:
Worse than #2-22 Mugray, 34.5 year old Fed in 3 out of 5 finals ? Ferrer and Berdych in top 6.. LOOOLLL...
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Yes, worse

A good chunk of those Murray losses have no relevance in his current #2 ranking. And at least both Ferrer and Berdych have made Slam finals, unlike most of the supporting cast in Fed's era who occupied their spots.
 
tennis_pro

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jm1980 said:
Yes, worse

A good chunk of those Murray losses have no relevance in his current #2 ranking. And at least both Ferrer and Berdych have made Slam finals, unlike most of the supporting cast in Fed's era who occupied their spots.
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Names?
 
tennisaddict

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jm1980 said:
Yes, worse

A good chunk of those Murray losses have no relevance in his current #2 ranking. And at least both Ferrer and Berdych have made Slam finals, unlike most of the supporting cast in Fed's era who occupied their spots.
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Murray's losses are not relevant because Kim was pregnant or Judy had a stomach bug ?

Ferrer and Berdych are mega pushovers. Did nothing in the major finals. The irony is that they stick to the top 6 like 'Gorilla Glue' because the era is so weak.
 
jm1980

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tennisaddict said:
Murray's losses are not relevant because Kim was pregnant or Judy had a stomach bug ?

Ferrer and Berdych are mega pushovers. Did nothing in the major finals. The irony is that they stick to the top 6 like 'Gorilla Glue' because the era is so weak.
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Murray's losses in 2014 mean nothing to his ranking today. He could have gone 0-100 in 2014 and that has absolutely no impact on his #2 ranking today

Because strong era stalwarts like Gaudio, Robredo, Blake, Gonzalez, Davydenko, Ljubicic, et al. in the Top 5 were so much better :rolleyes:
 
tennis_pro

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jm1980 said:
Gaudio, Robredo, Blake, Gonzalez, Davydenko, Ljubicic etc.
Mind you the guys above were Top 5, and Berdych and Ferrer are ranked #8 and #6 now
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1) they were in the top 5 for a very brief period, Berdych/Ferrer are near the top 5 for several years now despite their obvious decline
2) Gaudio, Gonzalez made Slam finals

Raonic, Berdych, Nishikori all made the top 4 in 2015. How is Raonic or Nishikori f.e. any better than someone like Fernando Gonzalez again?
 
tennisaddict

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jm1980 said:
Murray's losses in 2014 mean nothing to his ranking today. He could have gone 0-100 in 2014 and that has absolutely no impact on his #2 ranking today

Because strong era stalwarts like Gaudio, Robredo, Blake, Gonzalez, Davydenko, Ljubicic, et al. in the Top 5 were so much better :rolleyes:
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Irony is Robredo was in top 20 recently, as is Lopez, Haas , etc., Both Robredo and Haas were the ones to get the wins against Novak, not Ferrer and Berdych. Lopez troubled Novak crazy.

Pretty sure if the rest stayed on tour they would be in the top 20 with wins against Djokovic.
 
metsman

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tennisaddict said:
Irony is Robredo was in top 20 recently, as is Lopez, Haas , etc., Both Robredo and Haas were the ones to get the wins against Novak, not Ferrer and Berdych. Lopez troubled Novak crazy.

Pretty sure if the rest stayed on tour they would be in the top 20 with wins against Djokovic.
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ferrer and berdych were like 13th and 14th in 06...don't think they were much worse then than in 2015.
 
Gary Duane

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Krish872007 said:
Very true. We are actually in the strongest era I've seen at the moment. And it's been getting progressively stronger.

So 2015>>2014>>>>2013=2012>>2011>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2010>>>>>>>>>2009=2008>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2007>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2005=2004>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2006

And Federer is playing unbelievable tennis right now despite his many technical limitations. Great serve and improved forehand, backhand and movement from 10 years ago. The key though is his unmatched mental strength and clever junkballing while daring to even compete with greater talents of this era like Berdych, let along Djokovic and Murray. He's almost a journeyman's journeyman who can scrap his way through the draws and receive a few sympathy gifts here and there, but just never had the ability to compete with the best when they were playing at 50% of their potential.
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I don't believe in GOATs, but if I did I would have to say that you are reaching GOAT-level trolling! ;)
 
tennisaddict

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metsman said:
ferrer and berdych were like 13th and 14th in 06...don't think they were much worse then than in 2015.
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Actually this alone is a sufficient data point to prove this weak era.

These guys into their 30's now and having career high rankings now.
 
Gary Duane

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metsman said:
ferrer and berdych were like 13th and 14th in 06...don't think they were much worse then than in 2015.
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But the point is that just a little worse is huge in tennis. Guys like this shouldn't be where they are today, but they are because of a vacuum coming from no good players in their early to mid 20s.
 
tennis_pro

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jm1980 said:
I'm sure 21-year-old Berdych (reaching the Top 10 in 2006) was a much better player then :rolleyes:
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You're a funny man. Berdych reached the top 10 (and by top 10 I mean 10) for exactly 2 weeks in 2006. You surely prove your points well with such well thought arguments.

And if you wanna compare his level in 2006 to 2015/2016:
2006 - wins against Hewitt, Nalbandian, Roddick, Nadal (x2)
2015/2016 - wins against (decli)Nadal, Raonic (in MC, a retirement too), Tsonga (barely top 10)

Berdych is more consistent now but he's a pushover for the top 10 for more than a year now. 2006 Berdych was less consistent but was a threat to every player - including Federer. Berdych was a serious threat to Federer in 2010-2013 when he even beat him at Wimbledon and the US Open (both tournaments Fed was seeded 1st). Now an even older Federer is not only beating him each time but even throwing bagels.

Now after being pwned you'll probably argue that this was a weak era because Berdych beat these guys.
 
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donquijote

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Doesn't 34 year old Federer making finals and beating supposedly greatest Djokovic multiple times and also getting close to beating him in his other chances in 2015 make him betterer?
Also your theory is based on respecting Andy Murray which is not very trendy on this board. Outside of Federer and Murray, Djokovic had no rival. Oh wait, didn't he lose to Wawrinka at FO final? He had lost to him AO 2014 too so that makes it TWICE. So it's not that Wawrinka was unstoppable on that day in the final. Note that he'd also beat Federer 3-0 prior to crushing Novak.
 
rh310

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tennisaddict said:
Talking about era but looking at just the final opponents ? LOL. Incidentally that backfires, because it shows clearly that Fed faced varied opponents while Novak faced predominantly 34.5 year old in 3 of the 5 big tournaments or 2-22Mugray.

OP makes an idiot of himself.
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Absolutely correct. All that typing in the OP, and all that fundamental ignorance about when to use vs when you can't use comparative statistics.
 
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"Weak" just seems to refer to a boring storyline or unfavorable outcome to the fanatic making the statement. Neither Federer nor Djokovic faced weak opponents to win their titles.

When someone loses to Federer in a slam final, it seems to count as a weak opponent. But when Federer makes a slam final in his mid 30s, "he is still playing at prime level, because making a slam final means you are playing really well!" It can't be both ways.

Also, shouldn't it be a tennis player's goal to make every other player his "pigeon"? This talk about how it is a weak victory if you beat a guy that you usually beat is mighty circular.
 
Silverbullet96

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2015 AO
SF - 'Mentally dead' Wawa who finally collapses in the 5th.
F - Murray chokes badly.
2015 IW
SF - Pathetic effort by Murray.
F - 33 y/o Roger pushes him to 3 sets on a slow HC.
2015 Miami
SF - 29 y/o Isner.
F - Murray who was physically done after 2 sets, according to himself.
2015 Monte Carlo
SF - 2015 anxietyDal.
F - Pushed to 3 sets by 29 y/o Berdych.
2015 Rome
SF - Declined Ferrer.
F - 33 y/o Roger on clay.
2015 Wimb
SF - Gasquet.
F - Pushed to 4 sets by 33 y/o extremely nervous Roger.
2015 USO
SF - Injured Cilic.
F - Pushed to 4 sets by 34 y/o nervous Roger.
2015 Beijing
SF - Declined Ferrer
F - 2015dal who got injured during the match.
2015 Shanghai
SF - Murray distracted due to Davis Cup, pretty much doesn't show up.
F - Declined Tsonga.
2015 Paris
SF - Tired Wawrinka.
F - Declined Murray distracted due to Davis Cup, pretty much doesn't show up.
2015 WTF
SF - 2015Dal.
F - 34 y/o Roger.

Avg age of opponents -29.8

Keep in mind the homogenized conditions which suit his Tennis.
 
OhYes

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Weak era is just talk, nothing more. Nobody is taking Federer's 17 slams from him although he obviously played in one. That's why nobody will take Novak's final slam count, no matter how desperate fans of other players are.
Player who is above everyone makes his path to tennis immortality.
 
MichaelNadal

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OhYes said:
Weak era is just talk, nothing more. Nobody is taking Federer's 17 slams from him although he obviously played in one. That's why nobody will take Novak's final slam count, no matter how desperate fans of other players are.
Player who is above everyone makes his path to tennis immortality.
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So The Mummy's competition is...................?
 
Bobby Jr

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The biggest real difference is Federer faced guys were mostly in their prime who were generally in the best form of their career. Djokovic in 2015, by contrast, played people outside or at the fringes of their prime who were mostly in average to really poor form (you can include the AO 2016 final here too). The sole time he played someone actually firing he was beaten by a previously perennial underachiever who did little in his career until he was in his late 20s.
 
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Galaxy said:
It's so hypocritical. Federer had one of the weakest eras in history from 2005 - 2007. His only competition was Nadal, and Nadal was still a baby at that time! He made a Wimbledon final in his 2nd time playing it! Fedfans seem to be blind.

But, for those who still don't believe, let's compare the two years people call weak: 2006 and 2015.

2006:
Federer's finals:

Hard:
  • Qatar - Monfils. Lol.
  • AO - Baghdatis. Lol.
  • Dubai - Nadal. Loses. On fast hard court.
  • Indian Wells - Blake. Lol
  • Miami - Lube. Lol. (Also his pigeon)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Nadal (Nothing shameful in this, but almost losing to 18yo Djokovic is LOL)
  • Rome - Nadal (Loses in 5 tough sets, two match points, props to him for making this)
  • FO - Nadal (Again, no shame, but winning the first set 6-1 then rolling over? Wtf)
Grass:
  • Halle - Berdych (Berdych has always given him trouble so I'll give him this)
  • Wimbledon - Nadal (Wasn't this Nadal's second time in the tournament EVER?)
Hard:
  • Toronto - Gasquet. Lol.
  • Cincinatti - Oh wait he didn't make it because 19yo Murray destroyed him lol
  • USO - Roddick. (Eh I'll give it to him)
  • Tokyo - Henman. Lol.
Indoor:
  • Madrid - Gonzalez (He was playing great so I'll give it to him)
  • Basel - Gonzalez (Same as above)
  • Shanghai - Blake. Lol.

2015:
Djokovic's finals:

Hard:
  • AO - Murray (Resurgent Murray, 2 GS champion)
  • Dubai - Federer. (Loses, but 17 GS champ, beats Djokovic in straights)
  • Indian Wells - Federer (Same, but wins)
  • Miami - Murray (Still resurgent, 2 GS champ)
Clay:
  • Monte Carlo - Berdych (Berdych IS his pigeon but he beats Nadal in the semis)
  • Rome - Federer (Hmmm Fed is making an awful lot of finals)
  • FO - Wawa. Loses. (2 GS champ, Godrinka showed up, nobody could've won against him)
Grass:
  • Wimbledon - Federer (7 time Wimbledon champ, made finals last year and almost beat him)
Hard:
  • Montreal - Murray. Loses.
  • Cincinatti - Federer. Loses (7 time champ)
  • US Open - Federer. (5 time champ, favorite to win the title)
Indoor:
  • China - Nadal. Kinda an lol. Nadal sucks indoors.
  • Shanghai - Tsonga. Lol.
  • Paris - Murray.
  • London - Federer (6 time champ)
So. People can say "Federer is old" all they want, but that doesn't excuse him from making all those finals in 2015. Federer faced only two grand slam champs in 2006, and that was Nadal and Roddick. Djokovic faced four.

2015 >>>> 2006 in terms of competition
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I think that's nonsense, don't think Feds era was weak OR this era, many hate that the game has turned almost pure physical boring baseline and I agree but come on it's a strong era, so was Feds.
 
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