how come federer stayed healthy for such a long time

makhan10

Banned
and his rivals are injured right and left

whats the secret of federer health, only recently he has back injury other than mono he was fine and fit
 

fantom

Hall of Fame
It's a combination of his fluid on-court movement, conditioning, genetics, scheduling, and a lot of luck.
 

TMCW140

Hall of Fame
Pretty much as said above.
His style is alot more graceful than others, and puts less stress on joints etc, compared to someone like Nadal, who's style is very physical
 

BGB.CA

Rookie
I agree think his movement and his general smoothness, there is no real abrasive action to his game he appears to float moreso than pound the court. He might also tend to play with minor injuries moreso than some players, although it cant be proved. I believe this is because players like him the ability to attack more and end points quicker than some players. If your only option is grinding an opponent down it is a tough task to do that when hurt, but we all know Fed usually has more than one option on how to play.
 

PimpMyGame

Hall of Fame
All you need to do is watch Federer for 5 minutes and then watch Nadal for 5. You'll see why he's almost injury-free.
 

tudwell

Legend
Federer's gotten injuries before. He was lucky they didn't affect him too much for the slams. However, in 04-06, when he was winning everything in sight, he skipped LOTS of Masters Events (and other events he was originally scheduled to play, I'm sure). A lot of these were due to minor injuries, getting sick, etc. They might not have been very bad, but that's because he didn't give them a chance to become bad. Instead of getting more points and risking his health, he sat back and relaxed.

Whereas Nadal, for example, pulled out of both Wimbledon and Queens and still has played more events and matches in 2009 than Federer.
 

tintin

Professional
1-Federer's game is not as taxing on the body as a Nadal who has trouble with his knees or Roddick who plays with ankle braces because of poor movement.
Federer doesn't struggle to adjust from surface to surface like Nadal from clay to grass to hard court and Roddick from hard court to clay.
2-Federer takes time off unlike Nadal who for some reason plays every bloody clay court tournaments on the planet.
that's it
 

random1

Rookie
On a related note, I'm surprised how relatively injury-free Roddick has been for his career. His serve looks like it would wreck his shoulder. And although he's a pretty big guy, the extra 15-20 lbs he added for a few years should also have led to more injuries. I would've bet anything 5 yrs ago that he wouldn't last so long for purely physical reasons.
 

FedNad316

Rookie
A different perspective on Roger's fitness (Probably written by a *******)

Why is Roger Federer(s) Fitness Questionable? And Now?
Written by Sergio Cruz

Is the Tennis Domination of Roger Federer just in Slight Decline or is this the fall of the Empire?

To many this is a fact to me it is all up to Roger Federer.
Like any athlete Roger Federer is responsible for his own performance, not the 'coach', 'wife', 'mom', 'dad', 'agent', 'physio', 'psychologist', 'close friends', 'distant friends', 'movie stars', 'soccer stars', 'rock stars', 'golf stars' or whoever is in the extended and almost ridiculous entourage that surrounds tennis players of today. 'Quip' no wonder they have trouble keeping their eye on the ball!
What this means is that Roger Federer is the only person who has to take responsibility for his own destiny and make all of what is necessary to improve his physical condition and subsequently eliminate his mental melt downs.
Just by looking at Federer(s) mannerisms***, as an experienced coach and athlete, I can see that he has never paid such dues outside of the court or in the court, therefore he can not do it.

That is why Nadal has won Roland Garros several times and Federer none. Nadal paid and still pays the price in and outside the court today.

Had Federer done the same as Nadal and paid the high price, he would also have reached to where no other tennis player ever reached. Instead he has to join the likes of Pete Sampras and John McEnroe as the ones that could but who never won Roland Garros, for very identical reasons. (No Longer True)

Now that I gave you a very basic 101 on training physiology lets go back to Roger Federer and why for years on end I have been writing and saying to whoever wants to hear that, Federer has never won Roland Garros yet (and perhaps never will -) for one single, but fundamental reason - NO PHYSICAL FITNESS!

Yes dear readers, no physical fitness to sustain the type of effort a top clay court adversary and tournament will demand from Roger in a 5 set match!

In other words in tough matches where Federer has or must run - 'The King is Naked!'

To understand all of this we have to go back to the time between December 2003 in Huston where Federer capped his best season ever (until then) with a win in the masters plus the Nr3 in the world ATP rankings and January 2008 where Roger Federer was diagnosed with a strange case of "mononucleosis*".

In this period December 2003 January 2008 Roger Federer amassed a respectable record starting as an anemic player full of lapses of concentration to no combativity in certain matches to the dominator starting in
2003--Marseille, Dubai, Munich, Halle, Wimbledon, Vienna, Tennis Masters Cup; 2004--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Halle, Wimbledon, Gstaad, ATP Masters Series Canada, US Open, Bangkok, Tennis Masters Cup;
2005--Doha, Rotterdam, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Halle, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, US Open, Bangkok;
2006--Doha, Australian Open, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Halle, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Canada, US Open, Tokyo, ATP Masters Series Madrid, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup;
2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, US Open, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup.

Despite this impressive record one thing always struck me as suspicious, questionable or vulnerable about Federer, his physical fitness. In Roland Garros I knew it was the key but, in many other matches, I always noticed the following:

- If things went Federer(s) way and they did 95 percent of the time on that period, Federer looked like a million dollars and beamed with pride, but every time his opponent put up a fight, forced him to run side to side, even if that was for a short period, Federer immediately showed signs of nerves and would start hitting frames, making routine mistakes and many times even double faulting.

Players like Nalbandian were able to expose it clearly in many occasions inclusive in Roland Garros 2006 were if injury had not struck David in the stomach muscles in the beginning of the second set, Roger was in for a major spanking!

This to me as an experienced observer of high level tennis was a tell tale that Federers Achilles was fitness (besides ego and the head sideways which caused frames when fatigued).

My suspicions where confirmed when Federer made this statement a few years ago:

'I do not serve and volley more because I get tired.'

Sure you get tired if you are not fit! That was my thought.

A poorly trained athlete will not serve and volley and is not going to be able to handle long rallies either.

As everyone saw in Miami, Roger Federer buckled once more under challenge and mind you the rallies were not even that hard. Problem is the previous match against Andy Roddick had already sapped out whatever there was in Federer(s) reservoir, which as always, was very, very little.

To whom did Federer lose in his career between 2003 and 2009?

David Nalbandian, Jiri Novak, Tim Henman, Richard Gasquet, Guillermo Canas, Novak Djokovic, Gilles Simon, Andy Murray and of course Rafael Nadal.

What did these players have in common?

- They were sticky

- They make him run (fitness)

- And they made him run side to side (which he does not like)

Federer's physical conditioning and movement has 'never' been up to par with the demands of the game. Yes, movement, whenever Federer is forced to run (which he does not like to) from side to side, the point generally ends in a mistake or a frame.

No one was aware of it because as usual people tends to act like lemmings press included and therefore hide great flaws in a players game that could have been easily exploited by others. And Coaches are so busy with so many other things that often forget to look at tapes or scout the opposition in real match play.

Now, going back to physiology of training 101. If a player does not pay the high price it takes to train physically in a certain way (and I am not going to tell you here because it is a 2 million dollar answer), the following happens during competition:

- The amount of red blood cells in the players blood stream is insufficient to take the work load

- The oxygen stops flowing in the necessary amounts to the areas needed

- The brain can not produce or give the orders to produce ATP, endorphins, dopamine, adrenaline and other key hormones.

- The players legs get heavy and unresponsive (**lactic acid accumulates in muscles), co-ordinations start to fail (gross errors add up), stroke production (technique) becomes sloppy and the quality of the game deteriorates rapidly.

You saw all of this happening to Federer in a somewhat veiled fashion in Miami on the second set and blatantly in the 3rd set.

At the brain level since oxygenation is at the deficit level:

- The chemical production diminishes dramatically and with it goes aggression, motivation, fighting spirit, clear thinking too.

- The brain does not send the electrical impulses with the necessary speed to the muscles

- Reaction time slows down steeply

- Frustration mounts

- Irrational thinking prevails

- Negativism and temper tantrums flare! Federer braking his racket!

- And a final melt down follows with almost total surrender. Federer(s) final set against Djokovic in Miami.

Well trained and fit athletes have the following traits in competition:

- They can run any ball down for as long as it takes.

- If they are baseliners they will hound every ball you throw at them (Rafael Nadal)

- If their games is the attack they will attack you all day (Stefan Edberg, Patrick Rafter, Pat Cash)

- They will recover from any tough match in the previous day and will be fit the next day. Roger Federer had one set left in him when he got to Djokovic, the rest was left in the previous match against Roddick.

For the Federer fans what I am saying is almost an affront and disbelief will be their reaction, but I am not a Federer fan, I am a Coach, I love Federer (s) game and I do appreciate his great contribution to the game and I like Federer as a human being, but as a Coach I can not go out onto the street and say, 'what a beautiful outfit you have your highness', when in fact the king is naked!

Hope this will give you some idea of what the needs are and that you should develop your body and mind in sync.

Also, I hope that Roger Federer humbles down a little, takes a Coach he can believe in instead of 'we are exchanging some ideas', gets down to work on his physic 'the right way' and may be, next year he will win Roland Garros.

That would be a great satisfaction for me and attacking tennis!


Sergio Cruz

*Mononucleosis - Nicole Vaidisova - Justine Henin - Mario Ancic - Roger Federer - (Murray suspected of it in Dubay, but then diagnosed as just a virus, lucky Murray!)

**Lactic acid is positive in training to a degree because it can later on be transformed in glycogen (energy) which is muscle food!

***mannerisms Obsession with his hair - Almost abhors getting dirty, wet or sweaty - The way he buttons up his shirt - How he wants everything to be just perfect almost in a feminine way - How he hates to be challenged by his opponents who he almost innerly considers inferior. All of these are signs of someone who was pampered all of his life and who did not have much rough and tumble with male friends or collegues. Just NOT ready to Ruuuuuummmmmble! :)))))
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Roger has had his share of problems.
He had the back injury and the mono.
He also suffered from foot injury in 2005 which forced him to withdraw from all events after USO upto Shanghai Masters.
That said,
The overall fluidity,clever scheduling,better technique and taking time off at the right time helped him to be healthier than most other players currently.
 
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GameSampras

Banned
Lots of it is luck.. I dont think Fed has missed a slam has he? And Lots of it is his style of play.. An effortless style of game.

Fed had had a few physical problems but nothing to the point where obviously had to take an extended amount of time off or even miss a slam for that matter. He hasnt had really any major physical problem to speak of. All minor things
 
Roger is able to keep points, games, sets, and matches very short.

He spends the least amount of time on the court than any other player out there.

Further Roger's amazing coordination allows him to stay injury free.

One of the biggest things is that Roger does indeed put his time in on the court, that a lot of other players don't. This helps keep him free of injury as his body and play are able to full optimise/climitate for the tournament.

This way the majority of the time he is not pushing out of his comfort zone, when you start having to push out of the zone and go for so much so often it leads to a much higher risk for injury.
 

namelessone

Legend
The author of the article from the FedNad316 post brings up some good points about moving federer around but the rest is crap.Federer is a very fit player but it is true that he doesn't like to run around much.In the 5th set of the AO he looked pretty down because he had been running around all day,he didn't get enough free points with his serve and nadal keeping everything in and retrieving impossible points forced him to engage in long rallies.
I know his fans bring his style into play but for me the man is a genius when in comes to the scheduling bit and knowing when to peak.

Nadal hasn't played in over 2 months and if i remember correctly he still entered more tournaments than federer.Federer peaks at slams and he tries to conserve his energy.His biggest asset is his ability to finish points quickly,and his 2 main weapons are serve+forehand.With these 2 plus his talent he's a shoe-in,at least for grass&HC slams.
 

aphex

Banned
A different perspective on Roger's fitness (Probably written by a *******)

Why is Roger Federer(s) Fitness Questionable? And Now?
Written by Sergio Cruz

Is the Tennis Domination of Roger Federer just in Slight Decline or is this the fall of the Empire?

To many this is a fact to me it is all up to Roger Federer.
Like any athlete Roger Federer is responsible for his own performance, not the 'coach', 'wife', 'mom', 'dad', 'agent', 'physio', 'psychologist', 'close friends', 'distant friends', 'movie stars', 'soccer stars', 'rock stars', 'golf stars' or whoever is in the extended and almost ridiculous entourage that surrounds tennis players of today. 'Quip' no wonder they have trouble keeping their eye on the ball!
What this means is that Roger Federer is the only person who has to take responsibility for his own destiny and make all of what is necessary to improve his physical condition and subsequently eliminate his mental melt downs.
Just by looking at Federer(s) mannerisms***, as an experienced coach and athlete, I can see that he has never paid such dues outside of the court or in the court, therefore he can not do it.

That is why Nadal has won Roland Garros several times and Federer none. Nadal paid and still pays the price in and outside the court today.

Had Federer done the same as Nadal and paid the high price, he would also have reached to where no other tennis player ever reached. Instead he has to join the likes of Pete Sampras and John McEnroe as the ones that could but who never won Roland Garros, for very identical reasons. (No Longer True)

Now that I gave you a very basic 101 on training physiology lets go back to Roger Federer and why for years on end I have been writing and saying to whoever wants to hear that, Federer has never won Roland Garros yet (and perhaps never will -) for one single, but fundamental reason - NO PHYSICAL FITNESS!

Yes dear readers, no physical fitness to sustain the type of effort a top clay court adversary and tournament will demand from Roger in a 5 set match!

In other words in tough matches where Federer has or must run - 'The King is Naked!'

To understand all of this we have to go back to the time between December 2003 in Huston where Federer capped his best season ever (until then) with a win in the masters plus the Nr3 in the world ATP rankings and January 2008 where Roger Federer was diagnosed with a strange case of "mononucleosis*".

In this period December 2003 January 2008 Roger Federer amassed a respectable record starting as an anemic player full of lapses of concentration to no combativity in certain matches to the dominator starting in
2003--Marseille, Dubai, Munich, Halle, Wimbledon, Vienna, Tennis Masters Cup; 2004--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Halle, Wimbledon, Gstaad, ATP Masters Series Canada, US Open, Bangkok, Tennis Masters Cup;
2005--Doha, Rotterdam, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Halle, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, US Open, Bangkok;
2006--Doha, Australian Open, ATP Masters Series Indian Wells, ATP Masters Series Miami, Halle, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Canada, US Open, Tokyo, ATP Masters Series Madrid, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup;
2007--Australian Open, Dubai, ATP Masters Series Hamburg, Wimbledon, ATP Masters Series Cincinnati, US Open, Basel, Tennis Masters Cup.

Despite this impressive record one thing always struck me as suspicious, questionable or vulnerable about Federer, his physical fitness. In Roland Garros I knew it was the key but, in many other matches, I always noticed the following:

- If things went Federer(s) way and they did 95 percent of the time on that period, Federer looked like a million dollars and beamed with pride, but every time his opponent put up a fight, forced him to run side to side, even if that was for a short period, Federer immediately showed signs of nerves and would start hitting frames, making routine mistakes and many times even double faulting.

Players like Nalbandian were able to expose it clearly in many occasions inclusive in Roland Garros 2006 were if injury had not struck David in the stomach muscles in the beginning of the second set, Roger was in for a major spanking!

This to me as an experienced observer of high level tennis was a tell tale that Federers Achilles was fitness (besides ego and the head sideways which caused frames when fatigued).

My suspicions where confirmed when Federer made this statement a few years ago:

'I do not serve and volley more because I get tired.'

Sure you get tired if you are not fit! That was my thought.

A poorly trained athlete will not serve and volley and is not going to be able to handle long rallies either.

As everyone saw in Miami, Roger Federer buckled once more under challenge and mind you the rallies were not even that hard. Problem is the previous match against Andy Roddick had already sapped out whatever there was in Federer(s) reservoir, which as always, was very, very little.

To whom did Federer lose in his career between 2003 and 2009?

David Nalbandian, Jiri Novak, Tim Henman, Richard Gasquet, Guillermo Canas, Novak Djokovic, Gilles Simon, Andy Murray and of course Rafael Nadal.

What did these players have in common?

- They were sticky

- They make him run (fitness)

- And they made him run side to side (which he does not like)

Federer's physical conditioning and movement has 'never' been up to par with the demands of the game. Yes, movement, whenever Federer is forced to run (which he does not like to) from side to side, the point generally ends in a mistake or a frame.

No one was aware of it because as usual people tends to act like lemmings press included and therefore hide great flaws in a players game that could have been easily exploited by others. And Coaches are so busy with so many other things that often forget to look at tapes or scout the opposition in real match play.

Now, going back to physiology of training 101. If a player does not pay the high price it takes to train physically in a certain way (and I am not going to tell you here because it is a 2 million dollar answer), the following happens during competition:

- The amount of red blood cells in the players blood stream is insufficient to take the work load

- The oxygen stops flowing in the necessary amounts to the areas needed

- The brain can not produce or give the orders to produce ATP, endorphins, dopamine, adrenaline and other key hormones.

- The players legs get heavy and unresponsive (**lactic acid accumulates in muscles), co-ordinations start to fail (gross errors add up), stroke production (technique) becomes sloppy and the quality of the game deteriorates rapidly.

You saw all of this happening to Federer in a somewhat veiled fashion in Miami on the second set and blatantly in the 3rd set.

At the brain level since oxygenation is at the deficit level:

- The chemical production diminishes dramatically and with it goes aggression, motivation, fighting spirit, clear thinking too.

- The brain does not send the electrical impulses with the necessary speed to the muscles

- Reaction time slows down steeply

- Frustration mounts

- Irrational thinking prevails

- Negativism and temper tantrums flare! Federer braking his racket!

- And a final melt down follows with almost total surrender. Federer(s) final set against Djokovic in Miami.

Well trained and fit athletes have the following traits in competition:

- They can run any ball down for as long as it takes.

- If they are baseliners they will hound every ball you throw at them (Rafael Nadal)

- If their games is the attack they will attack you all day (Stefan Edberg, Patrick Rafter, Pat Cash)

- They will recover from any tough match in the previous day and will be fit the next day. Roger Federer had one set left in him when he got to Djokovic, the rest was left in the previous match against Roddick.

For the Federer fans what I am saying is almost an affront and disbelief will be their reaction, but I am not a Federer fan, I am a Coach, I love Federer (s) game and I do appreciate his great contribution to the game and I like Federer as a human being, but as a Coach I can not go out onto the street and say, 'what a beautiful outfit you have your highness', when in fact the king is naked!

Hope this will give you some idea of what the needs are and that you should develop your body and mind in sync.

Also, I hope that Roger Federer humbles down a little, takes a Coach he can believe in instead of 'we are exchanging some ideas', gets down to work on his physic 'the right way' and may be, next year he will win Roland Garros.

That would be a great satisfaction for me and attacking tennis!


Sergio Cruz

*Mononucleosis - Nicole Vaidisova - Justine Henin - Mario Ancic - Roger Federer - (Murray suspected of it in Dubay, but then diagnosed as just a virus, lucky Murray!)

**Lactic acid is positive in training to a degree because it can later on be transformed in glycogen (energy) which is muscle food!

***mannerisms Obsession with his hair - Almost abhors getting dirty, wet or sweaty - The way he buttons up his shirt - How he wants everything to be just perfect almost in a feminine way - How he hates to be challenged by his opponents who he almost innerly considers inferior. All of these are signs of someone who was pampered all of his life and who did not have much rough and tumble with male friends or collegues. Just NOT ready to Ruuuuuummmmmble! :)))))


worst article ever.

pwned by actual facts.
 

rocket

Hall of Fame
The top 2 players in the world are not allowed to be sick or injured. Not on these boards.

They must also give it 100% in every single match they play. If less than that, they suck.
 

aphex

Banned
I agree...that is why I posted it...kind of a perverse sense of satisfaction when you see some of these blind :)haters bite the dust
haha too true

i love this quote:

"Federer's physical conditioning and movement has 'never' been up to par with the demands of the game. "
 
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