How come I serve better with a very low ball toss?

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  1. Steady Eddy

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    What a waste of money. With books, youtube, and forums, there's a lot of information out there.
    I know a woman who has taken lessons for about a decade from this pro. She's still terrible, and he says that she needs to restring her racquets every 3 weeks. He has no shame.
     
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  2. TimeToPlaySets

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    Yes, one hopeless grandma takes lessons to no avail, and therefore, all lessons are a waste.
    Tell that to every single 5.0+ player that ever lived.

    Information is everywhere. Application is almost nowhere.
    Books, Youtube, and forums are nearly useless without repetition of a drill 50,000 time.
    Oh, and repetition of a drill is useless without direct supervision and feedback.
    Not even professional ATP players can self-monitor. That is why they all have a team of coaches.
    But you keep watching dat youtube!
     
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  3. Bender

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    If I were to hazard a guess, it's because you use an eastern or SW grip and pancake your serves in.

    With a short toss, you can make contact at the highest speed that you can generate with such a short swingpath and arm extension, but with a high toss you have too much time, yet too short a swingpath to take advantage of that additional time.

    What happens as a result is that with a high toss you are making contact when the ball is dropping at a much higher speed than if you used proper technique, making contact a very difficult thing to do.
     
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  4. Chas Tennis

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    You serving technique is unknown.

    For a high level serve the arm should be straight before impact. With camera from behind looking along the ball's trajectory, the arm is angled to the right and the racket is angled to the left. From the side camera view, the arm is angled to the front.

    Pat Dougherty video discussing how to 'hammer that serve'. The technique that he recommends as Hammer that Serve is for the Waiter's Tray technique. He advises to impact the ball lower not with the arm extended for best results. Pat speaks fast, pay close attention to the serving technique he is talking about, advanced or 'Hammer' (Waiter's Tray Serve)

    'Hammer that serve' refers to Waiter's Tray technique. He also discusses the 'advanced serve'


    This is the only instructional video that I have found that discusses the best way to do a Waiter's Tray serve.

    Probably over 50% of active tennis players are using a Waiter's Tray technique.

    Does advice from someone with an unknown serve technique apply to your unknown serving technique?
     
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    @Bender
    OP is long gone. Started thread in 2010 and was last seen on TT more than 5 years ago.
     
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    I didn't even realise the thread was from seven years ago...


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  7. Chas Tennis

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    Oh, that is a very good point!
     
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    I've heard the average man is 5'9", but anyway, I'm 5'7", so my contact point on low tosses is probably 8', (3" shorter, and also a shorter arm), (I'm calculating some trajectories).
     
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    At 5'10", my standing flat footed reach is 7'4".
    Our contractor, a former AAU swimmer (close to Olympic speeds), stands 6'1" and reach's EIGHT FEET SIX inches up. Rich Thorton, the Fly swimmer for the US Olympic 1980 team (that didn't go to Russia), is 6'6" and reach's just over 9 feet. Imagine their serves, if they knew how to play tennis.
     
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  10. Steady Eddy

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    Their contact point would be about 11'. They could hit a flat serve and still have it clear the net by nearly a foot!
     
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    With those long arms it would be funny to see them try to return body serve and other situations where they are jammed. They would also be able to cover more of the net than me without needing to position themselves (just standing in the middle).
     
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    I play a kid who's No.3 on his high school team. He's 6'8". All my buds get destroyed by him. I serve inside his box, and he can't figure out how to return my conservative speed serves. Same with groundies and volleys, I never try to hit wide against him, I just hit right at him with varied spins. When he's serving, it's just plain tough, but give him enough volleys, and he's been self destructing going for too much.....so far.
     
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