How come Roddick

barry

Hall of Fame
Only plays players no one has every heard of?

Sure are a lot of numbers next to the names at the top of the draw, don't see any on the bottom.
 

davey25

Banned
He is just always very lucky. Imagine if he wins Wimbledon due to the easy draw, when he never would have won it with the same draw Fed, Hewitt, or Safin has,
and then won the U.S open due to more manipulation by the USTA as he did in 2003, and ended the year #1 for the second times in three years. I would be forced to eat all my words about mens tennis not being so bad these days, and admit it is indeed extremely week if that happens.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
davey25 said:
He is just always very lucky. Imagine if he wins Wimbledon due to the easy draw, when he never would have won it with the same draw Fed, Hewitt, or Safin has,
and then won the U.S open due to more manipulation by the USTA as he did in 2003, and ended the year #1 for the second times in three years.
That is a frightening scenario - and could very well happen. I fully expect now that Agassi has no chance to win the US Open that surface will be made to play extremely fast.

I still don't think draws are rigged - if I did I'd stop following the sport entirely.
 

davey25

Banned
Roddick and Hewitt both ending the year World #1 twice, and Federer only once, if that is the case then I will also jump on the bandwagon that he is "way way way overrated!"
 

jhhachamp

Hall of Fame
barry said:
Only plays players no one has every heard of?

Sure are a lot of numbers next to the names at the top of the draw, don't see any on the bottom.
Are you seriously not sure why this is or are you just trolling? Anyway, he has played lesser known players so far because they have beaten their better known opponents in the earlier rounds. If you had been following wimbledon closely you would know this. I suspect that you have been following it closely and are just trying to start stupid arguments. Please spare us.
 

davey25

Banned
I agree that it is not Roddick's fault he had easier opponents in rounds 2-4. The tougher opponents were upset, he cant control that, he still was very lucky though. As for his potential quarterfinal and semifinal opponents, there is going to be questions by some since he was seeded #2 despite a rank of #4, and despite one of the players ranked ahead and seeded below him being a former Champion who has won his last several meetings with Roddick; and he mysteriously ends up in a half without Safin, Roddick, or Hewitt; all potential quarter or semi opponents otherwise.
 

rhubarb

Hall of Fame
barry said:
Only plays players no one has every heard of?

Sure are a lot of numbers next to the names at the top of the draw, don't see any on the bottom.
If you haven't heard of them, then it only shows that you don't follow pro tennis much.

There are now 8 seeds left in the top of the draw, and 6 in the bottom. Pretty good grasscourt players in both sides, imo. Sure the top is stronger with both Federer AND Hewitt, but the bottom isn't as weak as you'd like to think.
 

davey25

Banned
Who are the "pretty good" grass court players in Roddick's half. Since there are 32 seeds, being a seed is not as telling as when there were 16. 32 seeds is ridiculous, they should never have gone to that.
 

Andy Hewitt

Professional
If the draws really WERE rigged then why would they give Roddick the #2 seed when Ivo Karlovic was a possible obstacle when Hewitt (the Roddick killer) who lost to Ivo on grass could have had a chance to get knocked out by Ivo leaving Roddick with an easy road to Federer.
 

davey25

Banned
Hewitt never ended up in Roddick's half anyway, he is almost a non-issue for Roddick, unless both somehow make the final. So if they were looking to keep Roddick's killer away from him, they succeeded.
 

Andy Hewitt

Professional
davey25 said:
Hewitt never ended up in Roddick's half anyway, he is almost a non-issue for Roddick, unless both somehow make the final. So if they were looking to keep Roddick's killer away from him, they succeeded.
Semi-finals?
 

barry

Hall of Fame
rhubarb

Coria is a real grass court star! Like Gilbert said, Andy has beat everyone on his side of the draw and it is another dream draw for Roddick.

I would say Hewitt, Anic, and Lopez are a bit above what is on the other side of the draw.

I am sure Federer who much rather have Roddicks draw, then the players he is facing.
 

Grinder

Semi-Pro
Roddick had Karlovic, Ljubicic, Alexander Popp, Wayne Arthurs and Tim Henman in his quarter. It's not his fault they were taken out.
 

davey25

Banned
Andy Hewitt said:
Semi-finals?
They cant play in the semis, they are in opposite halves. I am not saying the draw is fixed, I just dont understand how you are saying the way it works out pre-tournament is so unfavorable to Roddick it emphasizes that. Maybe you mistakenly thought Hewitt and Roddick were in the same half though, they are not.
 

davey25

Banned
Grinder said:
Roddick had Karlovic, Ljubicic, Alexander Popp, Wayne Arthurs and Tim Henman in his quarter. It's not his fault they were taken out.
Henman is not a tough quarterfinal the way he is playing this year.
 

AngeloDS

Hall of Fame
Sorry to bring this sort of on and off-topic. About players no one has really heard of Andy Murray, and Andy Roddick. Andy Murray only a few people have heard him, but now he's blown up in the media.

Oddly, doesn't Andy Murray look like Andy Roddick but with bad teeth and a bit more skinny. Same facial features.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
Grinder said:
Roddick had Karlovic, Ljubicic, Alexander Popp, Wayne Arthurs and Tim Henman in his quarter. It's not his fault they were taken out.
ljubicic cant play on grass. popp, arthurs and henman were all in the same section so only one can come out of there. karlovic is the only potential threat, and roddick beat him a few days earlier. the only player in roddicks side with a winning record vs him was henman. the rest were in the top half. many here dont understand this but im sure u do.
 

spinbalz

Hall of Fame
Davey25, I don't know where you saw that Roddick ended the year twice at the N°1 spot???? Time to stop smoking those orientals plants, perhaps then that you will stop posting things coming only from your imagination! Or is it your obvious will to minor Federer's merits that makes you post false informations like that? Because 1/ Roddick did not finsihed the year end N°1 twice, and 2/ using the fact that Hewitt ended the year twice to suggest that what did Federer is not so great compared to Hewitt doesn't deceive anybody, because everybody (even you) know that Federer is a greater player champion than Hewitt, and that Federer already had and will continue to have a greater career than Hewitt
 

tim8

New User
The funny thing is that every Roddick basher *****ed at the French open about the fact that Roddick got the second seed due to his ranking, even though he sucks on clay. Now the Roddick bashers have a tournament that actually seeds on past specific surface results and they think seeds should be just based on rankings. The simple fact is Roddick was runner up last year, has won Queens 3 times in a row, made it to the semifinals at Wimbledon the year before, and has a winning record against Hewitt on grass. I don't think Wimbledon considers far enough back to consider Hewitt's championship. Inaddition Roddick, at the beginning, had a terrible draw to start out with filled with grass court specialists. Its not his fault or the seeding commitee's fault that things fell in his way.
 

gully

Professional
barry said:
davey25

This article explains how most feel about the seeding at Wimbledon:

http://www.tsn.ca/tennis/news_story.asp?id=128500
Nice try, Barry: this article explains how you, one other board member, perpetual whiner Pat Cash (who did NOT complain about the same formula last year, when it beneifted Hewitt), and a 1968 women's finalist feel about it. If this passes for journalism at the Canada schools, they've got accreditation issues to worry about. I sincerely HOPE everyone on the boards reads it. If they do, they'll know what a crock you're passing.

As has been patently obvious from the constant drubbing you've taken on the topic in numerous threads, most board members feel reasonably comfortable with Wimbledon's formula, applied evenly and without prejudice as it is to all 32 seeds. "Most" players feel this way? Where do you get that? You make so much stuff up it's comic. But you give us a reason to check the posts, I'll give you that!
 
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