How did Mr Fed win 3 slams after 35?

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Actually one would have to be pretty stupid to think that "everyone was crapping their pants but Del Potro showed the way" in a thread about Gramperer's vulturing achievements was referring to Del Potro's most consistent results. But you "got it" eventually. Kudos! Now do both a favor and don't allow me such possibilities in the future, thanks. :laughing:
Delpo didn't show squat so I'm not sure why you brought him up.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Coz he vultured them in Novak's absence.

Before 17/18 Novak beat RF in two Wimby finales, a USO finale and a AO semis. He was the big obstacle.

Similar to the way he vultured his only FO09 when Rafa was injured.

Yes, Rafa was injured at FO. he played below par vs Soderling, then pulled out of Wimby. Pulled out as defending champion.

Of course, there's also the luck of getting Cilic twice...
Nadal was not injured at 2009 RG. Got his a** kicked by Soderling.
He played excellent in his 2nd round match and GOATEd vs hewitt.

Federer faced a GOATing delpo in RG 2009 and beat him. Djokovic of course lost to a similar Wawrinka in RG 2015 final.
Djokovic vultured RG 2016 with Nadal injured and well below par competition.
Obviously Djoko also lost RG 11 to Federer.

Djokovic seriously lucky with Federer turning ~33 from Wim 14 onwards. Else would've been losing to him prime to prime at Wim. heck even past his prime Fed beat prime Djokovic in 4 sets in Wim 12.

Best version of Djokovic took 5 sets and saving MPs well playing, but past his prime Federer at USO. Obviously benefitted even more from Fed's decline in USO 15.
 
Nadal was not injured at 2009 RG. Got his a** kicked by Soderling.
He played excellent in his 2nd round match and GOATEd vs hewitt.

Federer faced a GOATing delpo in RG 2009 and beat him. Djokovic of course lost to a similar Wawrinka in RG 2015 final.
Djokovic vultured RG 2016 with Nadal injured and well below par competition.
Obviously Djoko also lost RG 11 to Federer.

Djokovic seriously lucky with Federer turning ~33 from Wim 14 onwards. Else would've been losing to him prime to prime at Wim. heck even past his prime Fed beat prime Djokovic in 4 sets in Wim 12.

Best version of Djokovic took 5 sets and saving MPs well playing, but past his prime Federer at USO. Obviously benefitted even more from Fed's decline in USO 15.
Rafa destroyed Soderling on their other 2-3 FO matches, AND in a Rome match just a few weeks earlier.

When he wasn't injured he crushed Soderling, hence the "defeat" that all FedArmy fanboiz are making such a stink over is rubbish.,. Paper tiger.

Rafa then canceled Wimby, no? As defending champ, no? Didn't injure himself playing golf, no?
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Rafa destroyed Soderling on their other 2-3 FO matches, AND in a Rome match just a few weeks earlier.

When he wasn't injured he crushed Soderling, hence the "defeat" that all FedArmy fanboiz are making such a stink over is rubbish.,. Paper tiger.

Rafa then canceled Wimby, no? As defending champ, no? Didn't injure himself playing golf, no?
Soderling played nowhere near well in 2010 RG and 2011 RG as he did in 2009 RG match vs nadal. Maybe if you watched, you would know.
reality is Novak vulturing RG with Nadal injured and then facing crumbling Murray. Of course Novak had lost to red-hot Wawrinka in RG 15 unlike Federer beating red-hot Delpo. in 09 Of course Fed also beat Djoko in RG 11 semi.

As far as Nadal cancelling Wimby goes, combination of 2 reasons. Both combined matter (not just 1):
1. Mentally shaken big time after RG loss
2. Withdrew only after seeing the draw (he'd have beat Hewitt, Roddick, Murray&Federer potentially to win. fat, fat chance)
 
Soderling played nowhere near well in 2010 RG and 2011 RG as he did in 2009 RG match vs nadal. Maybe if you watched, you would know.
reality is Novak vulturing RG with Nadal injured and then facing crumbling Murray. Of course Novak had lost to red-hot Wawrinka in RG 15 unlike Federer beating red-hot Delpo. in 09 Of course Fed also beat Djoko in RG 11 semi.

As far as Nadal cancelling Wimby goes, combination of 2 reasons. Both combined matter (not just 1):
1. Mentally shaken big time after RG loss
2. Withdrew only after seeing the draw (he'd have beat Hewitt, Roddick, Murray&Federer potentially to win. fat, fat chance)
Novak beat Thiem, and beat Rafa the year before.

Whereas RF never beat Rafa at FO.

RF fail.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Novak beat Thiem, and beat Rafa the year before.

Whereas RF never beat Rafa at FO.

RF fail.
LOL, Theim was #13 seed and young. You bringing that young Thiem as proof of anything? Ultra weak sauce. Should I bring in Fed's win over Djoko in AO 07 as proof of tough draw?

Yes, Djokovic beat the worst version of Rafa at the FO by far in 15. Then went 5 sets vs Murray and got dominated by Wawrinka in 4 sets. Your point?
 

ND-13

Professional
Novak beat Thiem, and beat Rafa the year before.

Whereas RF never beat Rafa at FO.

RF fail.

These kind of arguments don’t lead anywhere. Novak did not beat Fed at Wimbledon until he turned 33, which is what Novak is now. So, should we discount all of Novak’s Wimbledon titles ?

This ‘my player was injured, his player was old ‘ excuses are just that
 
These kind of arguments don’t lead anywhere. Novak did not beat Fed at Wimbledon until he turned 33, which is what Novak is now. So, should we discount all of Novak’s Wimbledon titles ?

This ‘my player was injured, his player was old ‘ excuses are just that
What, a Djokovic fan being obsessed with nonsensical ageism arguments?

When was Novak gonna beat RF at his "prime" at Wimby? In 2004 when he was 17?
 

ND-13

Professional
What, a Djokovic fan being obsessed with nonsensical ageism arguments?

When was Novak gonna beat RF at his "prime" at Wimby? In 2004 when he was 17?
Well, why did Novak and Rafa lose yesterday to Thiem and Medvedev ?

Are we saying Thiem and Medvedev play at a higher level of tennis than what anyone before accomplished.

This Rafa was injured, Rafa’s parents divorced, Fed had mono , Novak had marital issues are fanboy inventions , I would take age as a factor anytime over other made up reasons
 
Well, why did Novak and Rafa lose yesterday to Thiem and Medvedev ?

Are we saying Thiem and Medvedev play at a higher level of tennis than what anyone before accomplished.

This Rafa was injured, Rafa’s parents divorced, Fed had mono , Novak had marital issues are fanboy inventions , I would take age as a factor anytime over other made up reasons
Why not? they lost to great players.

In VERY close matches.

Is this unusual in tennis?
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
When decline happens for the oldsters, it happens swiftly and ruthlessly. Rafa’s choking and utter exhaustion at the end of the Med match may be a portent of things to come.
Until you see it happen to one of your favorite players, it's not real. And you are right - it happens fast. It's also unpredictable and a little different for each player.
 
There wasn't anything wrong with Djokovic 2017 AO. Wimbledon of course he was compromised. Still don't think he was stopping Federer. 2018 AO Federer was a bit lucky there. 2/3 slams Federer was winning anyway imo.
FedArmy acknowledge Mono as the biggest plague in the history of mankind yet elbow issues are a joke to them...

When it's Novak's elbow of course. If it were Roger's then the resulting ELBOWDRAMA from FedArmy would be heard all the way to the Moon.
 

BackhandDTL

Professional
Beating Thiem and Djokovic in slams is not vulture.

vulture is tied. 17 W 18 AO for Fed, 17,19 USO for Ned

prime v prime OTOH it’s like 9-1 in favor of Fed
 
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