How did Nadal manage this?

Fabresque

Hall of Fame

Ok so I know that in 2015, Nadal played like a paralyzed donkey who didn’t know how to play tennis, but seriously? One of tennis’ most legendary dons losing to Michael Berrer. A fella who never reached the second week of a slam nor reached the Top 40. Once more, this was his last year on tour, and Nadal won the first set 6-1. I don’t care how bad Nadal was in 2015, this cannot be excusable.
 

SinneGOAT

Hall of Fame
I think just saying “2015” is a great explanation. Nadal was in terrible form, things like that happen.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.

Ok so I know that in 2015, Nadal played like a paralyzed donkey who didn’t know how to play tennis, but seriously? One of tennis’ most legendary dons losing to Michael Berrer. A fella who never reached the second week of a slam nor reached the Top 40. Once more, this was his last year on tour, and Nadal won the first set 6-1. I don’t care how bad Nadal was in 2015, this cannot be excusable.
That's about right. No really, Nadal in 2015 (and 16) actually was that bad. He also lost to Troicki, Dzumhur, Dolgopolov, you get the idea.
 

gjm127

Professional
When exactly did things start falling apart for him after... say the 2014 RG win?

I guess the Kyrgios Wimbledon loss.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
It was really hard to watch him in 2015/16 where he looked like he had no idea why he was still playing at times. Only late 09 comes close.
 

socallefty

Legend
Nadal had a lot of injuries in 2014, but was healthy in 2015 and most of 2016. He has said that he had “anxiety issues” in a Spanish interview that led to a loss of confidence and poor results in 2015 and 2016. If we give the NextGen a hard time for getting tight, choking etc. in big matches when they are young, we should give Nadal a hard time for having two bad years in the prime of his career in his late twenties - Novak beat a physically healthy Nadal easily at the FO that year and he doesn’t get enough credit for it (maybe because he got out-hit himself in the final by ‘Pajama Man’).

I don’t think it is a coincidence that Nadal was having ‘anxiety issues’ at the same time that Novak was GOATing from 2015 till mid-2016:unsure:. Novak then entered his mid-career slump (the ‘Amor e Paz‘ Pepe phase) and suddenly Nadal and Federer started dominating again;). The careers of Nadal and Djokovic are so inter-linked that it always seems that when one guy goes up to the top of the tennis world, it affects the other guy and he goes down.
 
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MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Nadal had a lot of injuries in 2014, but was healthy in 2015 and most of 2016. He has said that he had “anxiety issues” in a Spanish interview that led to a loss of confidence and poor results in 2015 and 2016. If we give the NextGen a hard time for getting tight, choking etc. in big matches when they are young, we should give Nadal a hard time for having two bad years in the prime of his career in his late twenties - Novak beat a physically healthy Nadal easily at the FO that year and he doesn’t get enough credit for it (maybe because he got out-hit himself in the final by ‘Pajama Man’).

I don’t think it is a coincidence that Nadal was having ‘anxiety issues’ at the same time that Novak was GOATing from 2015 till mid-2016. Novak then entered his mid-career slump (the ‘Amor e Paz‘ Pepe phase) and suddenly Nadal and Federer started dominating again. The careers of Nadal and Djokovic are so inter-linked that it always seems that when one guy goes up to the top of the tennis world, it affects the other guy and he goes down.
LOL Nadal was not sucking bc of Djokovic bro, come on. He had to adapt his game, not just to Djokovic, but to everyone after losing speed and coming back from the injuries in 2014, and even changed racquets for the only time since he became a top guy which if you know Nadal, says a LOT about how down he was on how he was playing and feeling the ball.
 

socallefty

Legend
LOL Nadal was not sucking bc of Djokovic bro, come on. He had to adapt his game, not just to Djokovic, but to everyone after losing speed and coming back from the injuries in 2014, and even changed racquets for the only time since he became a top guy which if you know Nadal, says a LOT about how down he was on how he was playing and feeling the ball.
I agree - I was being facetious and had my tongue firmly in cheek when I said that Djokovic was responsible for Nadal’s anxiety issues. It just tells you that it is so hard at the pro level to come back with high confidence after major injuries or a streak of back-to-back injuries. I respect Nadal a lot because he has been a gladiator who has come back from injuries throughout his career and always found it weird that he was so affected for 2 years after his 2014 injuries. But, then again Djokovic went through the horrible phase in 2H2016-1H2018 possibly coinciding with his elbow issues which he did not admit publicly till after Wimbledon 2017. Proves that even the greatest players are just frail humans.
 
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K-H

Hall of Fame
Nadal had a lot of injuries in 2014, but was healthy in 2015 and most of 2016. He has said that he had “anxiety issues” in a Spanish interview that led to a loss of confidence and poor results in 2015 and 2016. If we give the NextGen a hard time for getting tight, choking etc. in big matches when they are young, we should give Nadal a hard time for having two bad years in the prime of his career in his late twenties - Novak beat a physically healthy Nadal easily at the FO that year and he doesn’t get enough credit for it (maybe because he got out-hit himself in the final by ‘Pajama Man’).

I don’t think it is a coincidence that Nadal was having ‘anxiety issues’ at the same time that Novak was GOATing from 2015 till mid-2016. Novak then entered his mid-career slump (the ‘Amor e Paz‘ Pepe phase) and suddenly Nadal and Federer started dominating again. The careers of Nadal and Djokovic are so inter-linked that it always seems that when one guy goes up to the top of the tennis world, it affects the other guy and he goes down.
In addition to what Michael said, nadal wasn't physically fit in 2015. He was gassing out in the first few rounds of the Australian open.
He never really had a long off season to get fit. It was only at the end of 2016 where he had a lot of time off, and you could tell he came back in better shape in 2017.
As for the Djokovic thing, I dont think that played a part considering what happened to nadal against berrer before djokovic even started to dominate.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I agree - I was being facetious and had my tongue firmly in cheek when I said that Djokovic was responsible for Nadal’s anxiety issues. It just tells you that it is so hard at the pro level to come back with high confidence after major injuries or a streak of back-to-back injuries. I respect Nadal a lot because he has been a gladiator who has come back from injuries throughout his career and always found it weird that he was so affected for 2 years after his 2014 injuries. But, then again Djokovic went through the horrible phase in 2H2016-1H2018 possibly coinciding with his elbow issues which he did not admit publicly till after Wimbledon 2017. Proves that even the greatest players are just frail humans.
I was about to get the Freddy glove out :p lol
NIce post (y)
 

socallefty

Legend
We should give some of the LostGen guys like Cilic, Nishikori and Raonic a break because they have had to deal with chronic injuries or a string of injuries which derailed their promising careers. DelPotro also qualifies for being very unfortunate although I’m not sure if he belongs to that generation or the one before it. If those guys are “Mugs”, then Nadal deserves the same moniker in 2015-16 and Djokovic in 2H2016-1H2018o_O.
 

K-H

Hall of Fame
We should give some of the LostGen guys like Cilic, Nishikori and Raonic a break because they have had to deal with chronic injuries or a string of injuries which derailed their promising careers. DelPotro also qualifies for being very unfortunate although I’m not sure if he belongs to that generation or the one before it. If those guys are “Mugs”, then Nadal deserves the same moniker in 2015-16 and Djokovic in 2H2016-1H2018o_O.
Only difference is, nadal and Djokovic accomplished more than enough in tennis before the injuries. They didnt have anything left prove.

Anything they win now is just a bonus.

Plus the injuries and mental issues only lasted A few years, not their whole careers
 
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