How didn't Nadal win more?

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Seems impossible that someone as talented as that could only manage third place.

Surely there is a lesson in there somewhere?
 
MichaelNadal said:
Perhaps he needed to peak when Philippoussis was making slam finals :whistle:
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He would have lost to scud on a fast surface and only way to judge scud is on fast surfaces because he grew up on it.

Scud was probably the second fastest server in the world behind Rusedski in the 90s, before the emergence of Roddick it was Scud and Greg who ruled the speed guns.

Nadal would have lost to scud on 90s grass for sure and even in 03 the grass was quite fast.
 
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Sunny014 said:
Nadal was busy being 2nd to Federer in 00s and busy being 2nd to Djokovic in 2010s and yet his fanatics like @MichaelNadal think he is the GOAT .... :D

Dude, one cannot be rank 1 but being rank 2 throughout his life :D

Nadal is the 3rd wheel behind Federer & Djokovic
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He was born at wrong time. Lucky for him he is so good on clay otherwise would be proper also ran.
 
Sunny014 said:
Nadal was busy being 2nd to Federer in 00s and busy being 2nd to Djokovic in 2010s and yet his fanatics like @MichaelNadal think he is the GOAT .... :D

Dude, one cannot be rank 1 by being rank 2 throughout his life :D

Nadal is the 3rd wheel behind Federer & Djokovic
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Yes, this is why Federer went a full decade without beating Nadal in a BO5 :-D

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nachiket nolefam said:
He was born at wrong time. Lucky for him he is so good on clay otherwise would be proper also ran.
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Actually it is the opposite, he was born at the perfect time.

Clay is something which he will dominate in any era, send him to the 90s and even there over a period of 15 years we can count on him to pick 10-11 slams.

But non clay slams he would win 0 there.

Plus he is lucky to have peaked partially in 00s and partially in 2010s, this allowed him to be at his best in 2009-2010 period when Fed was going down and Novak was yet to reach his peak, this transition period Nadal benefitted. Imagine him being of the same age as Fed + Novak, do you see him beat Federer and then Djokovic back to back to win a HC slam ? or wimbledon ? He is quite lucky both of his rivals were not at their peaks when he was at his peak, he only faced 1 of them in each decades.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Yes, this is why Federer went a full decade without beating Nadal in a BO5 :-D

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Too bad your Claydal could not reach the finals of 00s to lost to Federer and later benefitted Fed slowing down further and used the matchup advantage but later in 2017 AO surrendered and then has not beaten Fed outside clay in like 7 years :D
 
nachiket nolefam said:
He has just 7 slams outside RG. Hard to ever think he is better than Roger.
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Nadal is the only clear cut surface goat and boat in history where daylight is 2nd. He’s dominated a slam (13 FO) more than any player in history has dominated any slam. Hard to ever think Federer is better than him?
 
Sunny014 said:
Actually it is the opposite, he was born at the perfect time.

Clay is something which he will dominate in any era, send him to the 90s and even there over a period of 15 years we can count on him to pick 10-11 slams.

But non clay slams he would win 0 there.

Plus he is lucky to have peaked partially in 00s and partially in 2010s, this allowed him to be at his best in 2009-2010 period when Fed was going down and Novak was yet to reach his peak, this transition period Nadal benefitted. Imagine him being of the same age as Fed + Novak, do you see him beat Federer and then Djokovic back to back to win a HC slams ? or wimbledon ? He is quite lucky both of his rivals were not at their peaks when he was at his peak, he only faced 1 of them in each decades.
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Pretty sure Nadal is capable of winning slams in any era. He is just third best of open era but still much better than Agassi and others. If not for injuries, he could be the GOAT.
 
Sunny014 said:
Actually it is the opposite, he was born at the perfect time.

Clay is something which he will dominate in any era, send him to the 90s and even there over a period of 15 years we can count on him to pick 10-11 slams.

But non clay slams he would win 0 there.

Plus he is lucky to have peaked partially in 00s and partially in 2010s, this allowed him to be at his best in 2009-2010 period when Fed was going down and Novak was yet to reach his peak, this transition period Nadal benefitted. Imagine him being of the same age as Fed + Novak, do you see him beat Federer and then Djokovic back to back to win a HC slams ? or wimbledon ? He is quite lucky both of his rivals were not at their peaks when he was at his peak, he only faced 1 of them in each decades.
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Let's not speak about luck and Djokovic.....

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Whisper said:
Nadal is the only clear cut surface goat and boat in history where daylight is 2nd. He’s dominated a slam (13 FO) more than any player in history has dominated any slam. Hard to ever think Federer is better than him?
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Too much sense, slow down with all that :D How dare Nadal be 35 and still have only lost 3 matches in his life on clay in a BO5!, Hold it against him! 8-B it's not like he snatched Peak Federer's crown on his surface and then out-crisped him at the AO in one of the best matches of all time right after or anything :p
 
RaulRamirez said:
There's a lesson in all your silly, trollish posts, which I violated by clicking and replying.
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Thanks for making an appearance. Hardly see you in my threads!

I am pleased to help you find a purpose on this site. :)
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Pretty sure Nadal is capable of winning slams in any era. He is just third best of open era but still much better than Agassi and others. If not for injuries, he could be the GOAT.
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He is not better than Agassi at the AO and even at the USO Agassi would give him a pretty good run for his money 50-50.

Dude Agassi was a legit ATG and a the only all surface grand slam winner ever, plus he did it in the period without the big bazookas.

Peak Agassi can go toe to toe with Peak Big 3, he is the greatest returner ever (until novak arrived) for a reason.
 
Sunny014 said:
He is not better than Agassi at the AO and even at the USO Agassi would give him a pretty good run for his money 50-50.

Dude Agassi was a legit ATG and a the only all surface grand slam winner ever, plus he did it in the period without the big bazookas.

Peak Agassi can go toe to toe with Peak Big 3, he is the greatest returner ever (until novak arrived) for a reason.
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Agassi won 1 AO until he was 28. You even know who he beat in later slams? Proper weak era vulture. USOpen, let's not talk about it. Rafa holds 2-1 H2H vs Djokovic a guy better than Agassi.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Agassi won 1 AO until he was 28. You even know who he beat in later slams? Proper weak era vulture. USOpen, let's not talk about it. Rafa holds 2-1 H2H vs Djokovic a guy better than Agassi.
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Rafa has never beaten Djokovic at the AO
Agassi has beaten Sampras at the AO

What does that tell you ?

Agassi a Vulture? :unsure:

The 4 greatest players at the AO peak by peak are Djokovic, Federer, Agassi and Safin. - Fact !
 
Sunny014 said:
Rafa has never beaten Djokovic at the AO
Agassi has beaten Sampras at the AO

What does that tell you ?

Agassi a Vulture? :unsure:

The 4 greatest players at the AO peak by peak are Djokovic, Federer, Agassi and Safin. - Fact !
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Even Lendl and Edberg are better than Safin at Melbourne. Pete too. Agassi 4 AO is most inflated slam records. His finalists were no names. This was during the real weak era when every year 2/3 no. 1s popped up.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Even Lendl and Edberg are better than Safin at Melbourne. Pete too. Agassi 4 AO is most inflated slam records. His finalists were no names. This was during the real weak era when every year 2/3 no. 1s popped up.
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It is actually the opposite, it was Sampras who won the Aus Open in the absence of Agassi in 1 year.... I think 1997...even in 94 there was no Agassi when Pete won.

Plus you want Agassi to win AO back to back every year, that is not possible, the 90s era was not like 00s or 2010s when same players reach the last 4 and then you play them and win or lose regularly, in that era it was unpredictable times...
 
Nadal is just as likely to hold the Slam record as Djokovic, by the way. You may not like it but it's the truth. And I think both will 100% surpass Federer.

Nadal isn't good at the AO but has won 2 of the last 3 US Opens he entered and is still better than anyone but Djokovic on grass or clay. His stamina is the question but I guarantee you he will make more than one Slam final before he retires and there's no way he doesn't make a big push at RG before he retires. Way too much of a Clay GOAT to go down without a win.

If he wins USO 2021 he will win the Slam race IMO.
 
Kralingen said:
Nadal is just as likely to hold the Slam record as Djokovic, by the way. You may not like it but it's the truth. And I think both will 100% surpass Federer.

Nadal isn't good at the AO but has won 2 of the last 3 US Opens he entered and is still better than anyone but Djokovic on grass or clay. His stamina is the question but I guarantee you he will make more than one Slam final before he retires and there's no way he doesn't make a big push at RG before he retires. Way too much of a Clay GOAT to go down without a win.

If he wins USO 2021 he will win the Slam race IMO.
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You Nadal fans are no different from Federer fans, dreaming of unrealistic things

In reality Djokovic is untouchable now, he is way too strong for Fedal.

You are in for a very cruel does of reality if Nadal happens to face Djokovic in USO 2021, it will be a bloodbath in straight sets.
 
Kralingen said:
Nadal is just as likely to hold the Slam record as Djokovic, by the way. You may not like it but it's the truth. And I think both will 100% surpass Federer.

Nadal isn't good at the AO but has won 2 of the last 3 US Opens he entered and is still better than anyone but Djokovic on grass or clay. His stamina is the question but I guarantee you he will make more than one Slam final before he retires and there's no way he doesn't make a big push at RG before he retires. Way too much of a Clay GOAT to go down without a win.

If he wins USO 2021 he will win the Slam race IMO.
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If Nadal can win USopen 2021, it would be small miracle. There are so many guys who can beat him on hard courts and they all want the title.
 
Overlap Fed and Novak peak for peak and they both lose a lot of slams. Rafa took their best and came out on top in many impressive ways (leading both slam h2h’s, big slam wins against them on their best surfaces in their primes).

The real question is how did Rafa manage to tie them so far with a metaphorical hand behind his back and literally playing with his non-dominant hand? That’s GOAT talent and guts.
 
Sunny014 said:
You Nadal fans are no different from Federer fans, dreaming of unrealistic things

In reality Djokovic is untouchable now, he is way too strong for Fedal.

You are in for a very cruel does of reality if Nadal happens to face Djokovic in USO 2021, it will be a bloodbath in straight sets.
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a) I'm not a Nadal fan lol

b) if Nadal beats Djokovic at USO 2021 it will signify that maybe he isn't finished and that he still has a lot more to give. That's what I mean, him winning USO 2021 will likely mean he is the favorite for RG 2022 as well.
 
Kralingen said:
a) I'm not a Nadal fan lol

b) if Nadal beats Djokovic at USO 2021 it will signify that maybe he isn't finished and that he still has a lot more to give. That's what I mean, him winning USO 2021 will likely mean he is the favorite for RG 2022 as well.
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But he is finished.

While his fans dream of him wining USO by taking time off from wimbledon, reality is that Nadal was scared of Djokovic after being "overpowered" on clay for the first time in his life, so Nadal knows he isn't winning grass or HC vs Novak, so he went to play Golf and is eating fatty food now as we speak ..... He is only aiming for next french open as he knows, thats his only shot, nothing else.... on other surfaces he is finished and even on clay he has a max of 1 slam left.
 
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OhYes said:
First time I actually understand what you wrote 8-B
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That says something about how heavy the agenda is lol. #Rolex!

Sunny014 said:
But he is finished.

While his fans dream of him wining USO by taking time off from wimbledon, reality is that Nadal was scared of Djokovic after being "overpowered" on clay for the first time in his life, so Nadal knows he isn't winning grass or HC vs Novak, so he went to play Golf and is eating fatty food now as we speak ..... He is only aiming for next french open as he knows, thats his only shot, nothing else.... on other surfaces he is finished and even on clay he has a max of 1 slam left.
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Damn those cuts are deep :-D
 
Sunny014 said:
Nadal was busy being 2nd to Federer in 00s and busy being 2nd to Djokovic in 2010s and yet his fanatics like @MichaelNadal think he is the GOAT .... :D

Dude, one cannot be rank 1 by being rank 2 throughout his life :D

Nadal is the 3rd wheel behind Federer & Djokovic
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Yea, the third wheel on a Big Wheel!

Of course, you know nothing about those.
 
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