How didn't Nadal win more?

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LOL at people saying things like "Nadal is LUCKY to be so good on clay, otherwise he would have..."

There is no otherwise. He is so good on clay. That's the only version of him that exists, and it's not due to "luck". He built himself and his style to be that good.

As to how he didn't win more... Being sandwiched between a couple of guys with 20 majors, one of whom is actually your contemporary, screams for winning far less than... 20 majors. I believe the reason he won so "little" in 2011&2012, which should have been his absolute peak years, is that he got a bit complacent after great 2010. He probably still worked hard, but only enough to maintain his level, not improve on it. Hard to blame him. He had Fed's number. Not in the wildest dreams he imagined Novak or anyone else would improve so much in just a couple of months. Yet it happened. And before he could work it out and catch on, Mr. Djo was deep in his head.

I believe his last chance to turn that rivalry in his favor convincingly and maybe re-instill his dominance over Novak was AO 2012. Ever after, besides clay, he could only beat Novak when the Serb took it lightly or wasn't at his best. Just like Federer could sometimes beat Nadal on clay back in the day. But it meant you-know-what in the grand scheme. Beating Novak at USO 2013 commenced this psychotic series of, how many, 20 straight sets he lost to Djoko on hard?

That's so embarrassing.

In the end, Nadal won "so little" because he had a true rival among his true contemporaries, a rival who could (off the clay) turn him into what Berdych was to Nadal. A once-dangerous, now-and-forever-harmless laughing stock.
 
Expected, because most Fed fans left forum or purposely got banned, although they said they won't... Lol... Mouses left the sinking ship... I think that when Novak finish his job there won't be more than 10 percent of Fed's original fans, those who actually like tennis, not only their idol...

Off course, we can see more and more Novak's fans, some are just bandwagoners, some tennis lovers who would join anyway...

Personally I'm proud of myself for surviving harsh times here when Novak and his fans were laughed and harassed daily...

Yes fair point, true tennis fans should stay no matter what.
 
Modern tennis is skewed towards hard courts. The best person on hard is going to have a better record in winning titles against the best person on clay because of two hard slams a year and the WTF.
Disagree... Competition is biggest at hardcourts... There are only few top players that are better on clay than on hard courts... Winning hard court slam is much harder than winning FO, unless you are clay freak Nadal is...

For Novak, winning 2 FOs, while Nadal is around, is monumental success... Novak 6 Wimbledon titles are great, but frankly grass field don't exists... Imagine FO without Nadal, it's for taking quite easily for any great player, Novak or Fed could have 5 or 6...
 
Disagree... Competition is biggest at hardcourts... There are only few top players that are better on clay than on hard courts... Winning hard court slam is much harder than winning FO, unless you are clay freak Nadal is...

For Novak, winning 2 FOs, while Nadal is around, is monumental success... Novak 6 Wimbledon titles are great, but frankly grass field don't exists... Imagine FO without Nadal, it's for taking quite easily for any great player, Novak or Fed could have 5 or 6...

Logically, this makes so little sense it actually cracked me up.

1. If almost every top player is better on hard court than on clay, then chances of winning a hard court slam remain pretty fairly distributed among those top players.
2. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the bolded. It's funny tho. If you're not a clay freak like Nadal, winning a HC slam is much harder than winning FO? So if you are Nadal, winning a HC slam is easier than winning FO, for you're a clay court freak?

Some people here are natural born non-thinkers.

Anyway, French Open is pretty easily the tough one to put away, Nadal or not. It just exhausts you more physically and mentally.
 
Logically, this makes so little sense it actually cracked me up.

1. If almost every top player is better on hard court than on clay, then chances of winning a hard court slam remain pretty fairly distributed among those top players.
2. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the bolded. It's funny tho. If you're not a clay freak like Nadal, winning a HC slam is much harder than winning FO? So if you are Nadal, winning a HC slam is easier than winning FO, for you're a clay court freak?

Some people here are natural born non-thinkers.

Anyway, French Open is pretty easily the tough one to put away, Nadal or not. It just exhausts you more physically and mentally.
As newbie you should be more polite if want to have conversation with me... Anyway I read my post again and it's clear what I wanted to say, and you got all wrong...
 
Style of play was both good and bad. Intensity, both physically and mentally won him matches, but also caused injuries and mental time-outs, hence the losses and missed opportunities. A great champion though, will go down in history among the greats, of course.
 
Djokovic wouldn't have 6 Wimbledon titles if he had to face Fed 06-08 in finals like Nadal did. Kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

So? Nadal could have won more Wimbledon titles when Federer was past his best like Djokovic did, but he didn't. He lost to Muller, Djokovic himself, and the past it version of Federer too, among others.
 
Cupcake draws though. You really think if he faced Djokovic, Wawrinka or Federer in those tournaments, he would have won it?

Did they have to win RG by beating Rafa? Only once has Nole been able to do that. He had relatively "easy" draws on clay, and only won it twice, once through Rafa.
 
a) I'm not a Nadal fan lol

b) if Nadal beats Djokovic at USO 2021 it will signify that maybe he isn't finished and that he still has a lot more to give. That's what I mean, him winning USO 2021 will likely mean he is the favorite for RG 2022 as well.

I am glad to hear point a.
On point b, Nadal should be favorite for RG 2022 regardless of who wins the Us Open 2021. Nadal isn’t finished.
 
So? Nadal could have won more Wimbledon titles when Federer was past his best like Djokovic did, but he didn't. He lost to Muller, Djokovic himself, and the past it version of Federer too, among others.

That's because Nadal himself was also past it on grass...

Just like Novak could have won more titles if he made it to WIM finals from 06-10...
 
Maybe then he would snatch another of RG if he was already on his physical peak. Can't have your cake and eat it too. Novak the GOAT will dominate. He doesn't choke like Roger.

After you're done swallowing Novak's sausage, take a step back and realise that Novak was barely beating a well past it Fed at Wimbledon...

If you put 34, 35 and 38 yr old Fed against Nadal in 06, 07 and 08 finals Nadal would've beat him every time as well.

conversely, you put 06-08 version Roger against Novak in 14, 15 and 19 WIM finals and Novak loses all of them...
 
That's because Nadal himself was also past it on grass...

Just like Novak could have won more titles if he made it to WIM finals from 06-10...

Lol, he won SIX. I don't think he has much regrets about Wimbledon. And if Nadal was past it all this years and Djokovic wasn't it's the former's fault, because they're only one year apart.
 
Perhaps he needed to peak when Philippoussis was making slam finals :whistle:
Don't forget Baghdatis and......wait, that's that sound?

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Third place is amazing and he'll end up second place when all is said and done.
 
Modern tennis is skewed towards hard courts. The best person on hard is going to have a better record in winning titles against the best person on clay because of two hard slams a year and the WTF.

True, but grass is the surface that begs the question of how Nadal didn't win more. He made the final of every Wimbledon played from 2006 - 2011, lost to no one but Federer and Djokovic, and there's been no development on grass among the younger players. Still, not only didn't Nadal win another title, but he didn't make another final. Losing to Nole in 2018 and Federer in 2019...okay. But to Rosol in 2012? Darcis in 2013? Kyrgios in 2014? Brown in 2015? Muller in 2017?
 
Nadal didn't win more Wimbledon because winning french took lot of effort physically and mentally. When he was young he had the energy to keep focussing and motivation to defeat federer. Once that was done, he lost some motivation for Wimbledon. Murray ,Djokovic ,federer made sure he would have to go through 2 of them to win Wimbledon which is not so easy for him. It simply demanded effort from him which he could not gather. USO was a more neutral surface, gave time between Wimbledon and USO to rest and heal, and Djokovic/ federer were not so consistent , creating opportunities for nadal
 
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