How difficult is to master Tennis in comparisson with other sports and why?

I would like to hear experiences of the people who already reached a high level in tennis. What important things helped u to reach your goals? Do you feel that certain things that you did right shorten the period or viceversa?
 
I would like to hear experiences of the people who already reached a high level in tennis. What important things helped u to reach your goals? Do you feel that certain things that you did right shorten the period or viceversa?

Absolutely one of the hardest to master. Other sports are more focused on doing a few things "very well." Tennis has several strokes: forehand, backhand, slice, serve, volley. Not only are these fine motored, but the speed you have to perform them when the ball comes at you at 100+ mph. Because it's fine-motored, it's also a very mentally intensive game. Footwork and movement is also among the most complicated. There are a lot of moving parts, not only is the ball moving, but you have to react in conjunction.

It's important to practice well. Play high intensity with a focus on hitting the ball correctly. Sacrifice results now for proper mechanics. Also mindset is important. Focus and body-awareness. It's not about you hitting the ball and where the ball lands. The mystery of when it goes out has a lot to do with your body. Keep eye on the ball and listen to your body, learning the right mechanics is from understanding mistakes and successes.
 
It's not unrealistically difficult or anything. Like any other sports, you can get as good as your competitive environment allows, and resources available and passion.

Take basketball, the US is dominant at this point, while the rest of the world is several times bigger in population which can't lack the talents. Basketball is popular everywhere, but there's not incentive or competition anywhere like the US.

If you want to get really good at tennis, just get a good technical coach, a good personal trainer and you yourself have to put in all the work. If you can sprint for 5 hours and still hit 20+ rally shots at 80 mph and always serve in the 90s, very very few people could beat you. But where would you get that kind of commitment and competition?
 
The problem with tennis is that it can be "played" using a wide variety of methods. Unfortunately, many of those methods don't lead to progressively more skilled play. Thus, those who might prescribe to those methods, even as they may be more successful in "getting a ball over the net" will usually stagnate at lower levels.

Mastery of tennis is no different than that of any other skilled activity. But, as I just mentioned, many can be misled into thinking they are working towards more skilled play when in fact they are working on methods that will need to change later on if indeed skilled play is desired.

For example, if a person plays the piano only using their two index fingers, they will quickly realize that such a method will not allow them to play the piano skillfully...even though learning a simple song early is easier with two fingers than the practice it takes to master all the fingers for more enjoyable and melodic songs later on.

Tennis players, when starting out, judge their performance on where the ball goes...not on patterns of how to hit the ball. Thus, they can become misguided into thinking they are getting better because they simply hit the ball somewhere near where they aimed. Obviously, the moment they swing harder or faster or have to move for a ball or have a ball come at them with spin, speed, or depth, etc., they suddenly realize they can't compete at such a level.

Tennis is one of the few sports where a large percentage of people are taught 'rudementary' methods so that they can 'successfully' hit a ball over the net. The idea is that in time, the player will need to change their methods. This is the absolute worst way to learn a sport if the goal is to become more skilled at some point...or, better stated, if the person wants to reach their "Potential" in the sport.
 
The problem with tennis is that it can be "played" using a wide variety of methods. Unfortunately, many of those methods don't lead to progressively more skilled play. Thus, those who might prescribe to those methods, even as they may be more successful in "getting a ball over the net" will usually stagnate at lower levels.

Mastery of tennis is no different than that of any other skilled activity. But, as I just mentioned, many can be misled into thinking they are working towards more skilled play when in fact they are working on methods that will need to change later on if indeed skilled play is desired.

For example, if a person plays the piano only using their two index fingers, they will quickly realize that such a method will not allow them to play the piano skillfully...even though learning a simple song early is easier with two fingers than the practice it takes to master all the fingers for more enjoyable and melodic songs later on.

Tennis players, when starting out, judge their performance on where the ball goes...not on patterns of how to hit the ball. Thus, they can become misguided into thinking they are getting better because they simply hit the ball somewhere near where they aimed. Obviously, the moment they swing harder or faster or have to move for a ball or have a ball come at them with spin, speed, or depth, etc., they suddenly realize they can't compete at such a level.

Tennis is one of the few sports where a large percentage of people are taught 'rudementary' methods so that they can 'successfully' hit a ball over the net. The idea is that in time, the player will need to change their methods. This is the absolute worst way to learn a sport if the goal is to become more skilled at some point...or, better stated, if the person wants to reach their "Potential" in the sport.

Very well said. I know you have had great success with your approach to teaching this game and I have found it much easier to share and get short and long terms success with the MTM methods of instruction as well.
 
I would like to hear experiences of the people who already reached a high level in tennis. What important things helped u to reach your goals? Do you feel that certain things that you did right shorten the period or viceversa?

To me, playing tennis is like playing a musical instrument. The amount of skill needed to play tennis is so high that it takes years of practice just to be good enough to really have fun. The only sport I can say requires more skill than tennis is golf. But, in golf, you don't need an opponent. Once you are able to consistently strike the ball, you can get on the course and have fun.

As for reaching a high level of tennis and reaching my goals, those things are all aspirational. It's a journey that never ends. When you get close to reaching a goal, and are able to see past that old horizon, the old goal becomes obsolete and a new horizon becomes the new goal. At my age, I would say that, at my best, I'm close to as good as I could expect to be. The operative words are "at my best." So, for now, my goal is being able to play at, or near, my best every time I step on to a court. But, that is also a function of my hard hitting style. It tends to be less consistent by its nature than a pusher's game would be. However, in my latest iteration, I'm using bigger, graphite, racquets and have switching from continental to Eastern grips which has helped me be more consistent because I'm hitting more arching shots with more topspin that have a higher margin for error. (It's so cool to see opponents let balls go only to watch them dive a foot inside the baseline). So, as you see, even for someone who has played as long as I have, maintaining, and even changing, your skills, is an ongoing process.
 
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I think any individual sport (tennis, golf, etc) is going to seem "harder" because you simply have to do everything yourself and you can't "play" these sports as a very young child without some training first. In tennis, there are certainly different styles of play and types of players, but you still have to do everything - serve, play offense, play defense, and play the whole time.

In team sports, you have positions and specialists. Example: Steve Kerr and Dennis Rodman. Part of the same dominant basketball team, but each with completely different roles. Had Kerr and Rodman both "mastered" basketball in the same way? No. One was a shooting specialist and one was a rebounding specialist. Now, Michael Jordan probably comes to mind as one that has "mastered" the sport in many more ways.
 
Anyone can train hard, eat right and be Federer.

But no one can be Frank Shorter or Lance Armstrong.

Jogging, Bycycle riding & running fast takes more coordination than tennis.
 
difficult to master

well i agree with the people that replied to this thread this sport takes a lot
of practice and proper teaching and coaching let me put it this way

FOR AS MUCH TIME YOU PUT INTO THIS GAME OF TENNIS THE REWARDS ARE VERY LITTLE .

depends how far you want to go in a ntrp rating my friends are 4.5 to 6.0
and cert pro teachers in usa and europe . you have to have proper ground strokes, serves, volleys, lobs, foot work and be willing to practice alot and than play matches
singles or doubles, playing people better than you even if you loose its a learning process , plus learning strategies and tactics and to have stamina when playing tennis. some people to be good i know are playing 7days a week 2 to 3 hrs a day so you can take it from there where you want to go with your game . and what level you can achive

hope i helped you gjr
 
Anyone can train hard, eat right and be Federer.

But no one can be Frank Shorter or Lance Armstrong.

Jogging, Bycycle riding & running fast takes more coordination than tennis.


We all the respect those athletes you mentioned deserve, i assume you are being sarcastic. Am i wrong?
 
Tennis is difficult sport because it is one of the few where you can penalized directly for making mistakes.

Ball goes out, you lose a point.

In a lot of other sports, if you make a mistake, you don't get penalized directly. Sure, the other team/player can hurt you for your mistake BUT they still have to go and do it.
 
Anyone can train hard, eat right and be Federer.

But no one can be Frank Shorter or Lance Armstrong.

Jogging, Bycycle riding & running fast takes more coordination than tennis.

Yeah, of course he's joking. But he makes a good point.

Tennis is far more forgiving than sprinting or distance cycling, IMHO. With tennis, you can have weaknesses and work around them. This is why Isner and Davydenko can both be at the top of the sport -- one can rely primarily on the advantages of height, whereas the other can rely on the advantages of mobility. This is why you can have an athlete like Sharapova -- who looks gangly and slow out there -- rise to No. 1 in the world.

With sprinting, you're either crazy fast or you are not. You can't compensate for lack of speed with something else (height, strategy, mental toughness).
 
that's one of the things I like most about tennis. anyone can learn to hit a ball and with a little practice maybe they can rally. maybe they can work hard and develop a weapon. the thing is that being a good ballstriker doesn't make someone a good tennis player. tennis is a thinking man's sport. the mental game is often overlooked. forget about the mental duel between pitcher and batter in baseball. tennis is more like boxing. always probing for weakness or looking for a way to assert your strengths. once you get to the higher levels of tennis you can't just hit your way to victory. you need to figure out how to beat the guy across the net from you. when it doesn't work out it sucks, but when it all comes together its so so sweet.
 
Tennis is the most difficult to be good at. A great tennis player is the equivalent of a football player who can pass, run, catch, block, pass rush, tackle, cover receivers, kick, punt, return, and give out Gatorade on the sidelines.
 
Comparing tennis with golf is interesting. I play tennis at the 4.0 level but have played golf with a 5 handicap (I reckon that makes me quite a bit better at golf than tennis, relatively).

My view is that once you reach a minimum level in tennis, which means you can get the ball over the net, serve and have the basics, you can find an opponent at your level and get on and enjoy the game. The threshold for golf is a bit higher, I think, because you're ultimately playing against the course. Yes, you might beat somebody by playing 18 holes in 120 to their 140 but you still know the par was 70!

At the higher levels, there are some similarities. Obviously, both depend upon the consistency and quality of ball strike. In many ways, both depend upon the player's mastery and control of spin.

In both sports, my greatest sympathy goes to the 'nearly' men. These are the scratch golfers and excellent club tennis players who are so close to being able to make a career out of it but never quite will.

Truth is, the tour pros have that little something else. For the rest of us, no amount of additional practice, dedication or sacrifice will get us there. For us, these games will always be 'sports'. That never stops us looking to the pros for 'the majic moves' though.
 
I would like to hear experiences of the people who already reached a high level in tennis. What important things helped u to reach your goals? Do you feel that certain things that you did right shorten the period or viceversa?

Tennis, to me, is definitely the most complicated sports compared to all other sports that I know; there are just so many variety of things to "master" that it's mind-boggling.

If we're talking about the technical aspect of the game, such as the different strokes, the different forms and the different strategies, then Tennis is easily the most difficult sports to master.

However, if we're talking about difficulty in a sense of endurance, willpower and sheer strength, then Tennis may not be the most difficult sports to master. Heck, it's way up there, but I wouldn't say that it's the most difficult just yet.

I love the competitive side of Tennis; it's direct competition. You're practically fighting to stay alive against another person out on the courts, using strategies, pushing your endurance, stamina and willpower to the limit. It's practically like martial arts if I have to compare it to anything. Of course, I don't know other sports nearly enough to say anything. However, I just don't like Golf simply because it's not as direct as Tennis.
 
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there is the 10,000 hour rule to mastery . meaning it takes at least that long
IF
you learn correctly from the beginning and have proper instruction
are motivated disciplined etc and have enough god given athletic ability.
my goal as I was( and still am) improving was to move past all the people that were good at being bad
while i was bad at being good
now that im better at being good ( and getting beat by those more better)
im srtiving to be great at being great:)
 
Truth is, the tour pros have that little something else. For the rest of us, no amount of additional practice, dedication or sacrifice will get us there. For us, these games will always be 'sports'. That never stops us looking to the pros for 'the majic moves' though.

Well, for the rest of us, we look at Tennis as a sports, a game or a hobby. For the pros, this is their career, there is a HUGE difference there.

It's like instead of going to college to become a doctor, dedicating all those years to learn medical practices, you would dedicate all those times to playing tennis.

Instead of going to school 8 hours a day and spend a good 3-4 hours at home studying, I would spend those 12 hours a day on the court instead. Instead of paying $30,000 or so per year toward college, you would pay that $30,000 for a coach.

The pros play matches against other players in order to beat them and rise to the top of the competition. Likewise, in education, we have to do better than our competition to land a job as well.

The pros invest in tennis the same way we'd invest in our education in order to make a living off it later.

I don't think the pros "have that little something else" that gave them an advantage over any of us, they just view Tennis as their career, an occupation to make their living with.
 
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This is a joke right?

Yes, and so is this thread that has been pored over in many mutations.

The most famous mutated version of this thread was when Terrell Owens was being interviewed at the 2010 AO and he said he could be a top 10 player within 3 years if he trained.
 
in terms of individual sports, tennis is THE most difficult... for reasons others already laid out.

although it's not possible to 'master' the sport, everybody does have a plateau, at which maintenance of skill will take most of the practise time, that improving in stroke production and strategies become limited due to age / time commitment.

most people though, have loooooooong way towards that plateau (just look at the public courts on the weekends).

The most important thing needed to improve - hunger.

are you hungry enough to seek coaching / information, to hit the practise court for hours and hours.
 
Oldracket started the question with a vague, undefined concept of "a high level" and understandably the answers he got are wildly different and sometimes even contradicting.

To me, tennis isn't hard to play, and I think I play at a very "high level" at the park, but then you might mean only ATP or WTA can be considered as "high level". Well, then everyone, except like the top 200 who get to play in atp tours, is screwed and not really playing tennis. But that's ridiculous. I played basketball during HS years but never could play in any meaningful way, ie scored like 1 or 2 point out of an entire game. LOL. I hate team sports and wildly dymanic and depending on others. Tennis is easy. It feels very scripted, predictable. Once you could do the strokes, all you have to focus on is exerting your athleticism, ie to outrun and outhit the other guy. LOL.
 
Unfortunately I disagree dozu. Desire is obviously important but without connections and/or funding you can never "master" tennis. It just takes too much money which is a sad truth. Find me one top 100 player who reached that level without connections or money. The only example I can think of is Ivo karlovic. It isn't like other sports where raw talent can take you to the top. In tennis you can't shine unless you have already invested.
 
Yeah, of course he's joking. But he makes a good point.

Tennis is far more forgiving than sprinting or distance cycling, IMHO. With tennis, you can have weaknesses and work around them. This is why Isner and Davydenko can both be at the top of the sport -- one can rely primarily on the advantages of height, whereas the other can rely on the advantages of mobility. This is why you can have an athlete like Sharapova -- who looks gangly and slow out there -- rise to No. 1 in the world.

With sprinting, you're either crazy fast or you are not. You can't compensate for lack of speed with something else (height, strategy, mental toughness).

From your point of view absolutely make sense, not so much as joeldali explained,even if it was joking.
 
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Connections? Hum.... I am curious now,

Unfortunately I disagree dozu. Desire is obviously important but without connections and/or funding you can never "master" tennis. It just takes too much money which is a sad truth. Find me one top 100 player who reached that level without connections or money. The only example I can think of is Ivo karlovic. It isn't like other sports where raw talent can take you to the top. In tennis you can't shine unless you have already invested.

Can u explain what do you mean by connections?
Thanks
 
i am past halfway the 10 thousand hours... geez... need more training!!!

uff uff uff

wait 10,000 hours of matchplay?! that would be craaaaazy!
 
interesting question. and i like the point joel dali makes. tennis requires an obscene ammount of practice and lessons (MONEY!) to become really good. its not like soccer or sprinting where if you are an incredible athlete you can become good more cheaply (all you need is a ball.. or some shoes).

the way i see it is that in many other sports you either have it or you don't. if you are a good enough athlete you will do well, provided you have some training ect.
tennis on the other hand, take any person with decent athleticism, intelligence, and eye hand coordination, send them to an academy at a young age to get lessons and practice everyday, and voila you have a fantastic tennis player.
its harder and more expensive to get good and maintain it, but not as exclusive as to WHO can become good.
 
Yes, and so is this thread that has been pored over in many mutations.

The most famous mutated version of this thread was when Terrell Owens was being interviewed at the 2010 AO and he said he could be a top 10 player within 3 years if he trained.

not sure TO has the brain for it. 3 years isn't near enough, and he's too old to start now. but he could definately have been a pro if he had started young and trained extensively. he obviously has more than enough athleticism.
 
maybe the word master is too strong. but to learn it with control and a bit of efficiency you can start playing and enjoying it with others in a competitive way is atleast 6 months. other sports are difficult to learn as well but we got to play them early so they seem easy. like basketball requires major foot work and hand skills and tons of training for accuracy. all sports are equally difficult to master it just our exposure to them that makes them seem difficult.
 
maybe the word master is too strong. but to learn it with control and a bit of efficiency you can start playing and enjoying it with others in a competitive way is atleast 6 months. other sports are difficult to learn as well but we got to play them early so they seem easy. like basketball requires major foot work and hand skills and tons of training for accuracy. all sports are equally difficult to master it just our exposure to them that makes them seem difficult.

I don't think it's just early exposure. As a kid, I picked up several sports just fine, pretty quickly, but Tennis has so many "moving parts". Lots of coordination involved and it's all "on the run" constantly. There's just so much diversity of motion involved and stroke production remains critical. I picked up baseball, football, and basketball a bit "faster" in terms of being able to some basic things and being able to compete. Tennis took work right from the get go. I had to really bear down for about a year (lessons from age 9) to really get a feel for singles rallies, etc. I could "make baskets", dribble, hit baseballs, field, pretty quickly at about the same age.
 
Tennis is still an easier sport than many due it being in a way formulaic. Take soccer, there's no formula for becoming a great scorer. You can be entertaining and making millions like C. Ronaldo (?), but how do you train to be great footballer?

With tennis, you can train with a formula to reach your physical potentials and become great, like Nadal and Federer.
 
Can u explain what do you mean by connections?
Thanks

Meaning many kids have relatives already involved with tennis. Down the road many get higher level coaches but that still saves a ton of money. Learning at academies costs a fortune which has increasingly become the trend in todays top pro's. Examples are the williams sisters, safin, djokovic, murray,sharapova, jankovic, dementieva, ivanovic, nadal,etc etc etc . . . they had the road paved for them. Im not saying they didn't have to invest the effort but I am speaking in terms of funding.

Tennis is really a select game which is unavoidable but still unfortunate.
 
Tennis is still an easier sport than many due it being in a way formulaic. Take soccer, there's no formula for becoming a great scorer. You can be entertaining and making millions like C. Ronaldo (?), but how do you train to be great footballer?

With tennis, you can train with a formula to reach your physical potentials and become great, like Nadal and Federer.

No formula will make you a accomplished pro tennis player, even if you are a fabulous athlete. In soccer, at least you have others around to control the ball for the majority of time, etc. With tennis, there's no place to hide even if you are very tired, etc. That's just the running part. Hitting is a whole different complexity on top of that.
 
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No ormula will make you a accomplished pro tennis player even if you are a fabulous athlete. in soccer, at least you have others around to control the ball for the majority of time, etc. With tennis, there's no place to hide even if you are very tired, etc. That's just the running part. Hitting is a whole different complexity on top of that..

If you mean the kind of accomplishments by Fed and Nadal, then, yes, it's quite tough to come up with a formula.

Other than them, there are tons of accomplished pro's out there. John Isner, James Blake, Murray, Almagro, etc. are all accomplished pro's to me. They easily make high 6 figure salaries. They just train hard physically and hit the ball really well, and they don't necessarily need to rise to top 10 or anything. Again, what's accomplishment to you mean?
 
In team sports, you have positions and specialists. Example: Steve Kerr and Dennis Rodman. Part of the same dominant basketball team, but each with completely different roles.

Team sports can be harder as there are more people to coordinate into "one" game plan. Football is a particularly good example of this. Not only do you need coordination between the players on the field but also with the signal callers and various coaching staff, and they even have the benfit of cameras (and the players have coaching) for every play and still have trouble adjusting etc.
 
How difficult is to master Tennis in comparisson with other sports and why?

It's hard to compare other sports to each other. Football is an extremely hard sport to master. For one, you have to be an extremely top performer regarding athletic ability for your given position. But beyond that, the hardest part is the mental aspect in trying to anticipate what defenses and offenses are going to be doing. This is very, very hard to figure out as both sides know its happening and can disguise their actions.

Baseball is another sport which takes great talent and skill to master. Try hitting 95 mph fastballs. Try catching 120 mph line drive one-hoppers, on the run, trying to turn a double play. Try keeping yourself mentally focused, never knowing if the ball is coming to you or not while on field.

In short, each sport has it's own unique quirks that make mastery of that sport difficult, even as those unique quirks share some similar traits with other sports.
 
Team sports can be harder as there are more people to coordinate into "one" game plan. Football is a particularly good example of this. Not only do you need coordination between the players on the field but also with the signal callers and various coaching staff, and they even have the benfit of cameras (and the players have coaching) for every play and still have trouble adjusting etc.

Exactly, mtommer.

There is so, so much going on in a football game but there's less guarantee that one team will beat the other. In tennis, the odd of one guy beating the other is several times clearer which has the implication that one guy knows how, knows better, and could train to be that.
 
What does the odds of one team beating hte other have to do with difficulty user? I don't see how that makes sense. You are saying that football is LESS predictable than tennis? I highly disagree. There are much more upsets in tennis.

And you guys are talking about a team as a unit. I thought this thread was comparing sports on the individual level. In terms of how difficult it is for the individual to master. Not which sport involves more intricate parts. That is incomparable as you suggest.

Football is a difficult sport but the amount of training that goes into tennis vs football isn't even close. I played D1 soccer and the same thing goes for soccer. The sports just are not nearly as technical and rely much more heavily on natural talent. Tennis is something many people can train for but not everyone can be a football player . . . it requires that natural spark. You be the judge if that counts as "difficult" in terms of mastery.
 
The problem with tennis is that it can be "played" using a wide variety of methods. Unfortunately, many of those methods don't lead to progressively more skilled play. Thus, those who might prescribe to those methods, even as they may be more successful in "getting a ball over the net" will usually stagnate at lower levels.

Mastery of tennis is no different than that of any other skilled activity. But, as I just mentioned, many can be misled into thinking they are working towards more skilled play when in fact they are working on methods that will need to change later on if indeed skilled play is desired.

For example, if a person plays the piano only using their two index fingers, they will quickly realize that such a method will not allow them to play the piano skillfully...even though learning a simple song early is easier with two fingers than the practice it takes to master all the fingers for more enjoyable and melodic songs later on.

Tennis players, when starting out, judge their performance on where the ball goes...not on patterns of how to hit the ball. Thus, they can become misguided into thinking they are getting better because they simply hit the ball somewhere near where they aimed. Obviously, the moment they swing harder or faster or have to move for a ball or have a ball come at them with spin, speed, or depth, etc., they suddenly realize they can't compete at such a level.

Tennis is one of the few sports where a large percentage of people are taught 'rudementary' methods so that they can 'successfully' hit a ball over the net. The idea is that in time, the player will need to change their methods. This is the absolute worst way to learn a sport if the goal is to become more skilled at some point...or, better stated, if the person wants to reach their "Potential" in the sport.

exactly. for me, I thought I was getting better cause I could place my shots. Then I learned correct form (faster shots, with variety of spin) and now I am re-learning how to place them. Not just where (backhand side for example), but how (flat/topspin/slice to the backhand for example). I think it is one of the hardest sports out there (fencing is up there, considering you can't always see your opponent's blade)
 
difficult to master tennis

yes tennis is quite difficult to master and hard to be great even at the pro level
you must continue to practice and play every day to keep your A game do`nt tell me about our pro sports in usa , football, baseball ,basketball etc guys overweght, drugs steroid .etc and were paying them millions in our professional sports its a team effort if you can`t do it . the next guy can
fill the seats and tv rights in playing tennis you need great ability hand and eye coordination, stamina good legs knees ankles for even when you become good and QUALIFY to the tennis tour their some one that`s got your airline ticket ready for you in first round or a little later, i think their is a difference in being picked to play pro sports and qualify to play pro tennis
seems the words true PROFESSIONAL means in usa to the owners of sports teams is

we played you , we paid you , your DONE !!

later ok
 
Uh...all you need is the right prescriptions to be Lance Armstrong. Tennis takes skill, not just brute force and steroids and performance enhancing drugs.

Anyone can train hard, eat right and be Federer.

But no one can be Frank Shorter or Lance Armstrong.

Jogging, Bycycle riding & running fast takes more coordination than tennis.
 
this is what really blows about tennis. you cant get very good without money. if i were to start playing soccer at the age of 4 without having a coach and just playing night and day i would get really good. in tennis there is proper "technique" which needs to be taught. all tennis players usually have money at a young age (there are a few exceptions) but in sports like soccer and basketball, most of the best players start out with no money
 
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