How do Federer and Djokovic perform in their 30s if you swap their birthdays?

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fedfan24

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Federer from 2011-2019 in 2017-
Djokovic from 2017- in 2011-2019

Federer
2011 Federer in 2017:
AO, W, USO. Loses RG to Nadal. 3 slams.
2012 Federer in 2018:
AO, W, USO. Loses RG to Nadal. 3 slams.
2013 Federer in 2019:
Could win AO.
2014 Federer in 2020:
Wins 1 HC slam probably not both. Wimbledon cancelled.
2015 Federer in 2021:
Wins W + USO. 2 slams.
2016 Federer in 2022:
Wins AO. good chance at W if doesn’t hurt his knee. 1 slam.
2017 Federer in 2023:
Wins AO + W. Could play RG with no Nadal and would be favourite. 2 slams.
2018 Federer in 2024:
Very good chance at AO.
2019 Federer in 2025:
Probably wins W but have to see.

I think 12 slams lock, 14 at most. 10 if we’re being conservative.

Djokovic
2017 Djokovic in 2011:
0 slams
2018 Djokovic in 2012:
Loses at USO to Murray or 12ovic. Loses to 2012 Federer at W 0 slams.
2019 Djokovic in 2013:
Outside chance at AO but probably loses to himself or Stan. Loses to Murray at Wimbledon.
2020 Djokovic in 2014:
0 slams.
2021 Djokovic in 2015:
Loses to his younger self everywhere. Probably loses at W/USO to Federer in a battle too.
2022 Djokovic in 2016:
Outside chance at W vs Murray but probably loses.
2023 Djokovic in 2017:
Loses RG & USO to Nadal. Good chance at W. AO will be a very tough draw but give him that one. 2 slams.
2024 Djokovic in 2018:
Good chance at AO vs Cilic.

If you put Djokovic in place of Federer he likely performs about the same, 3-4 slams at best with most coming in 2017/2018.

Circumstances.
 
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fedfan24

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RS said:
This is boring. We have done this over and over.
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It is but someone has to speak out about his vastly inflated numbers. The level discrepancy between them simply isn’t there. 2011-2012 Federer is light years better than 21/23 Djokovic yet Djokovic leads the slam count 6>1 between these versions.
 
Neptune

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Seriously, any good analysis from Fedfans after years of coping?
 
GabeT

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So, when we have these debates about time travel tennis I get a lot of pushback and a common counterpoint is that the purpose of the comparisons is to simply determine who was better relative to their peers, not who would win in an imaginary match. This thread is further proof that that’s simply not true.

Despite what (a relatively small) group of posters keeps telling me the reality is that all these type of threads always end up in the same place, as predictions of how matches would pan out if time travel tennis were possible.
 
Neptune

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GabeT said:
So, when we have these debates about time travel tennis I get a lot of pushback and a common counterpoint is that the purpose of the comparisons is to simply determine who was better relative to their peers, not who would win in an imaginary match. This thread is further proof that that’s simply not true.

Despite what (a relatively small) group of posters keeps telling me the reality is that all these type of threads always end up in the same place, as predictions of how matches would pan out if time travel tennis were possible.
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It's essentially tantamount to shouting, "In my fantasy world, Fed is the GOAT!" lol.
 
RS

RS

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fedfan24 said:
It is but someone has to speak out about his vastly inflated numbers. The level discrepancy between them simply isn’t there. 2011-2012 Federer is light years better than 21/23 Djokovic yet Djokovic leads the slam count 6>1 between these versions.
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It's too stale at this point. And the responses will just be dismissive.
 
Razer

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Federer emerges the Slams leader in that timeline for sure....and with a bigger margin than 4 slams (which nole has over Federer) ....but then we need to live in reality ....An alternate reality just does not exist....
 
GabeT

GabeT

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For all those posters that are certain they can predict the match outcomes in the alternative reality, please, tell us who will win this year’s remaining slams. you’ve seen how the players are doing so far so just use those great tennis prediction powers of yours and tell us how the year will unfold
 
Hitman

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GabeT said:
For all those posters that are certain they can predict the match outcomes in the alternative reality, please, tell us who will win this year’s remaining slams. you’ve seen how the players are doing so far so just use those great tennis prediction powers of yours and tell us how the year will unfold
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They fear to say his name...
 
THUNDERVOLLEY

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Neptune said:
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Seriously, any good analysis from Fedfans after years of coping?
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Yep. Some continue to deceive themselves with officially unrecognized fantasies such as "inflated numbers", " career inflation" and other crap, all thanks to their inability to accept the truth: Djokovic was and will always be a superior player to Federer. It is quite undeniable.
 
NAS

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If there birthday are swap then Djokovic wins 2002 AO, 2002 RG( remember his form in 2008 clay season) and more or less 2002 us open, only Hewitt can stop him in 2002 us open, but the form Djokovic showed in 2008 qf and semi first three set is enough to win that us open 02.
Without heat wave AO03, and RG 03( this time there will be no Rafa to kill him before RG) and may be Us open 03 if he goes from Ferrero draw but will give Roddick edge there.

Now tell me why didn't fed win any of the HC slam till 2004?
Novak will take around 4-5 slam lead there and grow in confidence from 2004
Edit even 2002 Wimbledon is possible if he show his queens form(2008) in 2002 Wimbledon but Hewitt has a huge edge there in final
 
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fedfan24

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RF-18 said:
Lol, handing out 3 slam seasons like candy to kids. You guys are unstoppable.

It's certainly easy to predict outcomes knowing you won't have to face the consequences of being wrong. Everybody can to that.
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Any half decent prime level big 3 can sweep the slams when the main competition is Casper Ruud, Tsitsipas, Berretini etc worst years bar none in open era history.
 
GabeT

GabeT

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GabeT said:
For all those posters that are certain they can predict the match outcomes in the alternative reality, please, tell us who will win this year’s remaining slams. you’ve seen how the players are doing so far so just use those great tennis prediction powers of yours and tell us how the year will unfold
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No takers, huh?

I agree, it's a lot easier to "predict" matches that will never happen
 
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fedfan24

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GabeT said:
So who wins RG, WB and the USO this year? I need to make some bets!
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Djokovic
Alcaraz
Sinner.

Feel free to quote your predictions mantra after all three are spectacularly wrong :-D

If fit and healthy those would be my picks, with Djokovic 2nd favourite at W. RG is a bit up in the air with all the injuries and Djokovic poor form.
 
djokovic the conqueror

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Djokovic would be as successful or even more. He always finds a way to problem solve and win no matter what. He has the greatest mental strength and tennis iq.

Federer would struggle to win against todays generation since they're are simply better than Federer's weak era. I doubt Federer gets to 20 slams.
 
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fedfan24

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djokovic the conqueror said:
Djokovic would be as successful or even more. He always finds a way to problem solve and win no matter what. He has the greatest mental strength and tennis iq.

Federer would struggle to win against todays generation since they're are simply better than Federer's weak era. I doubt Federer gets to 20 slams.
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This being a Federer who could barely run and was 37 years old. He would have a field day vs these guys who return from the stands. So would a lot of Federer’s gen who take the ball early and know how to use variety and close the net.

2006 Federer probably wins multiple CYGS then gets bored if he peaks in 2021.
 
RaulRamirez

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fedfan24 said:
It is but someone has to speak out about his vastly inflated numbers. The level discrepancy between them simply isn’t there. 2011-2012 Federer is light years better than 21/23 Djokovic yet Djokovic leads the slam count 6>1 between these versions.
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In that we're all sharing a spot in a world bereft of any poverty, disease, war, prejudice and cruelty, I can think of no greater injustice.
 
metsman

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This is extremely generous really, 2024 Djokovic was atrocious in the Sinner loss, near Istomin level there, no way you can favor him over Cilic, much less the rich man's Sinner. 18-22 has has zero shot anywhere with better versions of himself + Murray/Stan still decent. The only realistic shot is 17/23 Wimbledon/USO but even then Djokovic was so bad in the W final, he'd be relying on Cilic's meltdown. Beating Berdych in the SF in that form is non-trivial. Beating a confident Ned at the USO when Djokovic is older and slower is also a big ask. 2 slams at most, in reality 1, and probably a shaky one at that.

He's not as good in 18/19 as 12 Fed was in Wimby, 17/18 vs 23/24, Federer is better in 3 of the 5 slams and Djokovic's advantage on clay doesn't matter given Nadal. So it's no surprise Djokovic would have little chance of winning 4 majors in this period like Federer did.

Also they wouldn't have skipped 20 Wimbledon if Federer was there and the favorite.
 
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fedfan24

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metsman said:
This is extremely generous really, 2024 Djokovic was atrocious in the Sinner loss, near Istomin level there, no way you can favor him over Cilic, much less the rich man's Sinner. 18-22 has has zero shot anywhere with better versions of himself + Murray/Stan still decent. The only realistic shot is 17/23 Wimbledon/USO but even then Djokovic was so bad in the W final, he'd be relying on Cilic's meltdown. Beating Berdych in the SF in that form is non-trivial. Beating a confident Ned at the USO when Djokovic is older and slower is also a big ask. 2 slams at most, in reality 1, and probably a shaky one at that.

He's not as good in 18/19 as 12 Fed was in Wimby, 17/18 vs 23/24, Federer is better in 3 of the 5 slams and Djokovic's advantage on clay doesn't matter given Nadal. So it's no surprise Djokovic would have little chance of winning 4 majors in this period like Federer did.

Also they wouldn't have skipped 20 Wimbledon if Federer was there and the favorite.
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Yeah I was trying to be generous. Just goes to show how much he’s inflated his stats by fortunate career timing.
 
Razer

Razer

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djokovic the conqueror said:
Djokovic would be as successful or even more. He always finds a way to problem solve and win no matter what. He has the greatest mental strength and tennis iq.

Federer would struggle to win against todays generation since they're are simply better than Federer's weak era. I doubt Federer gets to 20 slams.
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Today's players are worse than the players of 04-15, not the other way round.

1990s gens are the worst guys to hold a racquet ...Medvedev is the best of 90s gen performance wise and he himself is at best close to Roddick ....that's how much of a vacuum exists
 
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