How do Nadal and Agassi matchup

There were 2 different versions of Agassi. The younger more agressive version who played with alot more risk and was more inconsistent. Then the older percentage version who while he was hitting the ball very hard and well was not hitting nearly as many outright winners.
 
zagor said:
Yes,but Agassi hit with more pace,took the ball even earlier and was just a plain better ballstriker even than Kolja,nobody was good as Dre at jerking people left and right on court.On HCs he would take the time away from Nadal atleast as successfully as Kolja does it(who basically owns Nadal on HC).

I reckon that a younger Agassi would have been a very tough match-up for Nadal on HC,not to mention on carpet where Agassi certainly could play ball as well(I think he won 6-7 carpet tourneys beating guys like Stich,Edberg and Becker to win it).

Now on clay Nadal would kill him and on modern grass I'd still give Nadal a big edge but on old grass I don't know,I've never seen Nadal play on old grass so I don't know how would he adapt.He's still a natural mover on that surface no doubt but IMO a very low bounce would have made it much harder for him to play his game than on improved modern grass.
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Look, if agassi and nadal played on a marshmallow someone would have an expert opinion. From what I remember, agassi and nadal played twice. Once on hardcourt, which nadal won in 3 sets. Once at Wimbledon, which nadal won in straight sets. Agassi was 36, but he was not a decrepit old man. He was still competitive, still dangerous and certainly could still strike the ball with conviction. Agreed, agassi would have no chance on clay, period. Although agassi was a great hardcourt player, nadal represents the kind of player agassi struggled against. A player who can run down everything, hits a heavy ball and never misses. Add the extreme topspin and left handed player advantage, and you have a bad matchup for the bald one. Agassi would have an advantage if he could rush nadal, but I am not sure that agassi would get many clean looks at the ball. Nadal would keep agassi out of position as often as possible. Agassi had tremendous trouble with Hewitt (lost 3 in a row from '01-'02) and lost to Federer 7 or 8 times in a row. Nadal is at least as fast and consistent as Hewitt was in his prime and is a nightmare for Federer. I think nadal would be very competitive with agassi on hardcourts. Just for the record, I think Sampras would be able to compete with agassi or nadal, if they played on a marhmallow.
 
pjonesy said:
Look, if agassi and nadal played on a marshmallow someone would have an expert opinion. From what I remember, agassi and nadal played twice. Once on hardcourt, which nadal won in 3 sets. Once at Wimbledon, which nadal won in straight sets. Agassi was 36, but he was not a decrepit old man. He was still competitive, still dangerous and certainly could still strike the ball with conviction. Agreed, agassi would have no chance on clay, period. Although agassi was a great hardcourt player, nadal represents the kind of player agassi struggled against. A player who can run down everything, hits a heavy ball and never misses. Add the extreme topspin and left handed player advantage, and you have a bad matchup for the bald one. Agassi would have an advantage if he could rush nadal, but I am not sure that agassi would get many clean looks at the ball. Nadal would keep agassi out of position as often as possible. Agassi had tremendous trouble with Hewitt (lost 3 in a row from '01-'02) and lost to Federer 7 or 8 times in a row. Nadal is at least as fast and consistent as Hewitt was in his prime and is a nightmare for Federer. I think nadal would be very competitive with agassi on hardcourts.
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spot on.

nadal can recover from defensive positions...agassi not so much. nadal can take away the baseline from andre and that is how you can hurt andre.

It wasn't sampras' serve or his volley that most troubled agassi. It was his athleticism on the baseline and he could hang enough with andre to get a break a set and defeat agassi.

nadal can do way more than that, and his hold game is not far behind sampras.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Hold on...one of davey's bolded lines was:



The greater volume of attacking players is on Agassi's side (think about the entire era)....while so few modern players even attempt that style of play.
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this is a chicken / egg question though.

there is a reason that there arent many attacking players in today's generation. the volume of players that exist today can hit passing shots with more accuracy and more spin that in past generations. More players today are adept at this skill because of tech and training...and nadal represents the elite of this generation when it comes to hitting those passing shots.

Few dare to play this high risk attacking game, lest they want to be passed again and again....even against "mediocre" players.

Nadal has some of the best ones out there, if you have actually seen him try to pass guys at net. Passing shots are nothing for nadal.
 
thalivest said:
Even if we exclude Wimbledon 2006 an old Agassi was still a combined 0-9 vs Federer and Nadal in 2003-2005 and 6-22 in sets with quite a few bagel and breadstick sets. He didnt even have to play Federer or Nadal on grass or clay either, or in Federer's case carpet. Their only matches were on hard courts, Agassi's best surface by a huge margin. Yet he was still much less of a threat to them than even Roddick, Hewitt, and Nalbandian were those years. Agassi was a late bloomer who wasted almost all his prime years and the old Agassi in 2003-2005 was playing much better than Agassi in 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998, most of 1994 was. After all how would the Agassi who couldnt even beat Doug Flach, Luke Jensen, Scott Draper, have fared vs Federer and Nadal? I shudder to imagine. Prime Agassi is basically a myth which hardly ever existed as it lasted only 2 years total. July 1994-September 1995 and June 1999-January 2000. And even that Agassi had to go 5 sets to beat Medvedev and Todd Martin in slam finals, while getting thoroughly owned by Sampras at Wimbledon and the U.S Open.

As for never blowing off the court you obviously never saw the 2003 TMC final, Dubai 2005, Australian Open 2005. As for Nadal if Agassi had played Nadal on clay in 2005 he would have been lucky to win games given that he couldnt even beat him on hard courts while Nadal was then so weak on hard courts back then he was barely winning matches in slams on hard courts.
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I agree with much of your post. Recently had a similar post, noting some of the same observations you made in your post. I overlooked your post and just read it a few minutes ago. Sorry for being redundant. However, I do not agree completely with your assessment of Agassi. At his best, he was a phenomenal ball striker off both wings, had an intimidating return and had an underrated serve. He was still a great player in 2005, so those losses to nadal certainly should be factored into the mix. I certainly believe that agassi benefited from weak finalists in many of his Australian Open victories and he was absolutely inferior to sampras. But, the close matches with Medvedev and Martin were well earned in my opinion. Medvedev was on fire at the FO that year, taking out Sampras and more importantly, Guga in straight sets. Martin could have been a big spoiler, as consistent as he was in that match. Agassi showed great focus and determination to see that victory through. I do not believe that Agassi's prime was just a myth. He beat Stich at the US Open and took out Becker at Wimbledon. Those guys were world beaters at the time. But, I firmly agree that nadal would be more than competitive with a prime agassi on hardcourts.
 
NamRanger said:
Lol you have to be kidding me. Agassi can't put a ball away? Have you ever seen Agassi hit the ball in real life? Half the time he puts zero effort and he's CRUSHING the ball harder than the pros today. Agassi is FULLY capable of putting the ball away; he just chooses not to do so most of the time as he wants to use his superior fitness to win with.
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I know how hard he hits and am fully aware it is a tactic to break down the opponent. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "ability" because it lead people to thinking Agassi "CAN'T" hit winners, which I definitely did not mean.

If he chooses not to do it like he does in his older age, Nadal gets it back, and the rally continues, that's not putting the ball away, period. Being able to put the ball away is different from doing it in reality. Watch the two matches between him and Nadal.

2006 Wimbledon
Nadal 44 W 10 UE
Agassi 23 W 18 UE

Ok, Agassi was old then, but Nadal was nowhere near his hard/grasscourt prime either.
 
I agree that Nadal, if he played AA tomorrow, would beat him on every surface. Oh wait.... we are talking about prime years right??
 
I don't know who would be the favourite but here's what Andre has to say:

"Rafa's forehand is nasty.On clay I would have had to play on the edge against him and play lights out and that's not the way to play tennis. It's about calculated risk and he's going to make you take some crazy chances because the alternative is to get moved around court like you are on a string.

When I played him in final of Montreal (a three-set loss on hardcourts in 2005), I thought that if I could step up and cane a backhand cross-court that he might be a little late to the forehand and leave it short and then I could take over the point. So the first time I caned a backhand to his forehand, he hit a forehand so high and so short that in order for me to take that ball early, I was literally on the service line. You think that's a good position to be in until you realize that after your approach shot he's going to be in position to put it at your feet and then you are going to hit a volley to a guy who is going to get to it and pass you with the ability to go around you or over you as well. Even if you cover the passing shot, sometimes you can't reach it because it's 10 feet up in the air."

Make of it what you will.
 
namelessone said:
I don't know who would be the favourite but here's what Andre has to say:

"Rafa's forehand is nasty.On clay I would have had to play on the edge against him and play lights out and that's not the way to play tennis. It's about calculated risk and he's going to make you take some crazy chances because the alternative is to get moved around court like you are on a string.

When I played him in final of Montreal (a three-set loss on hardcourts in 2005), I thought that if I could step up and cane a backhand cross-court that he might be a little late to the forehand and leave it short and then I could take over the point. So the first time I caned a backhand to his forehand, he hit a forehand so high and so short that in order for me to take that ball early, I was literally on the service line. You think that's a good position to be in until you realize that after your approach shot he's going to be in position to put it at your feet and then you are going to hit a volley to a guy who is going to get to it and pass you with the ability to go around you or over you as well. Even if you cover the passing shot, sometimes you can't reach it because it's 10 feet up in the air."

Make of it what you will.
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Interesting. Seems to indicate that if you are on a tennis court with Nadal, you are going to lose.
 
drakulie said:
Where you guys get this stuff is unbelievable. Makes one wonder if you have watched, or even played the game.

Agassi had a winning record against Ivanisevic (lefty), who is arguably one of the best servers of all time. He beat him on grass and carpet, and you think he would have trouble with Nadal's 80-90 mph slice serve??? LMAO.
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Speed isn't everything.

Actually, agassi said this himself. I will find the quote for you...

he needed to stand back on the return to get a crack at nadal's serve because of the action on it.

Also, if you watch their matches, you will see that andre wasn't having his way with nadal's serve.
 
World Beater said:
Speed isn't everything.

Actually, agassi said this himself. I will find the quote for you...

he needed to stand back on the return to get a crack at nadal's serve because of the action on it.

Also, if you watch their matches, you will see that andre wasn't having his way with nadal's serve.
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Yeah, we all know nadal has the greatest serve of all time and AA was peaking when he played Nadal those two times. :roll:
 
drakulie said:
Where you guys get this stuff is unbelievable. Makes one wonder if you have watched, or even played the game.

Agassi had a winning record against Ivanisevic (lefty), who is arguably one of the best servers of all time. He beat him on grass and carpet, and you think he would have trouble with Nadal's 80-90 mph slice serve??? LMAO.
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Just for you. From Agassi's mouth...

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Q. What made his serve so tough for you?
ANDRE AGASSI: Well, you know, his serve is, first of all, it's -- it really is an awkward movement through the air, so you never get a real clean swing at it unless you're able to give it time to settle down. And then if you do that, you have to back up and you're really giving him position on the court.
But more than that, if you don't hit a good return - like a really good return - he's going to take hold of that first shot. I can't afford for that to happen. Maybe somebody with better wheels than me can afford for that to happen a few more times.
But once he got me a bit behind in the point, you know, the point was pretty much over. So I have to take more chances to get a good hit, which means you start leaning and you start taking bigger swings and you start playing closer to the lines.
But his serve has an awkward spin to it, plus he's, you know -- he backs it up very well.

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Q. You said you'd have the best seat in the house. I'm curious as to your impressions of the young man.

ANDRE AGASSI: Well, he has a difficult game. It's certainly easy to see why he's won so many matches. He does a lot of things really well. Just a great mover on the court. Gets good power from very stretched positions so you're never quite sure if you have complete control of the point. I found his serve more awkward than I was anticipating because if you don't hit a good return, he immediately gets on the offense. That's a sign of a great player: somebody who can play good defense, but also when they get ahold of a point, they don't let go of it. He's one of those guys that if he gets ahold of a point, he's not going to let go of it. It puts more pressure on you to hit a quality return, and it moves a little bit. I felt like today that was a big difference. I wasn't getting neutral enough right off his serve. That surprised me a little bit.

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drakulie said:
Yeah, we all know nadal has the greatest serve of all time and AA was peaking when he played Nadal those two times. :roll:
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i'm not sure where i said otherwise.

but i definitely think andre would have difficulty returning nadal's serve. I'm not the one saying it...andre says it himself.

Take it up with him, not me....
 
One thing we often hear is Agassi would be a GOAT contender if Sampras didnt exist. Sorry I dont see that. Which additional slams would he have won:

1990 U.S Open- No way. Played an awful final, and Lendl owned him back then anyway.

1993 Wimbledon- Again no. Out of shape, and Courier who played the grass event of his life owned him at the time.

1995 U.S Open- Possibly but Courier's now 6 match win streaky vs Agassi carried into 1995 and he was in the semis, and gave Sampras an equally tough match as Agassi. Quite possibly still not.

1999 Wimbledon- Yes. No doubt here really.

2001 U.S Open- Probably not. Hewitt would win their next 3 meetings and there were alot of guys to potentially beat him in the draw.

2002 U.S Open- Quite possibly. Then again if he plays Hewitt in the final rather than the semis he quite possibly loses, especialy as Hewitt clearly had an off day in the semis and had a win streak over Agassi going in.

So I would say 9-11 slams. 99 Wimbledon for sure, possibly 95 U.S Open, possibly 2002 U.S Open.

I have also heard the what if Federer didnt exist brought up. Really none of the slams Federer won would Agassi have been favored to win even without Federer though.

I have also heard the what if Agassi had played the Australian Open every year. Agassi wasnt favored to win any of the years he missed other than 2002 which he missed with an injury (and injuries are just part of the game).

1988- too young and immature at the time and Wilander who owned him at the time won the event.
1989 and 1990- Lendl owned him at the time and Lendl won
1991- his best chance of the years he missed but this was in the middle of having choked away all 3 of his first slam finals. And while he owned eventual winner Becker he still wouldnt have had it easy with Becker, Edberg, and Lendl all in the semis.
1992 and 1993- Courier owned him and Courier won
1994- Sampras at his peak won. Nuff said.

Really there is no scenario Agassi would have been even close to GOAT status even with no Sampras or Federer existing, even playing the Australian every year, even all those things put together at once. If anything he was lucky to hit a late peak in the early 2000s when the field was so unbelievably weak he could take advantage to win alot of slams he probably wouldnt have won had his prime been at a more normal age back when his competition was tougher anyway.
 
World Beater said:
i'm not sure where i said otherwise.

but i definitely think andre would have difficulty returning nadal's serve. I'm not the one saying it...andre says it himself.

Take it up with him, not me....
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Let me explain something to you. Agassi faced Pete Sampras, who hit 120+ mhp serves on a dime with **5000 RPMS OF SPIN**., and beat him 14 times in his career. You think hitting a 80-90 mph serve, with way less spin is harder????

Get your head out of Nadal's rear,,,, it is very obvious from all the butt picking he does, he doesn't want it there.
 
drakulie said:
Let me explain something to you. Agassi faced Pete Sampras, who hit 120+ mhp serves on a dime with **5000 RPMS OF SPIN**., and beat him 14 times in his career. You think hitting a 80-90 mph serve, with way less spin is harder????

Get your head out of Nadal's rear,,,, it is very obvious from all the butt picking he does, he doesn't want it there.
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I'm not sure why you are getting so angry and defensive. All those caps..really?

All i did was re-iterate what Andre himself said.

I never said facing nadal's serve was the hardest thing out there. But agassi did have trouble against it. He even says so himself.

Nowhere did i say that nadal has the best serve of all time or even comparable to sampras.

I provided the quote...its upto you to refute agassi himself.
 
It is not always as simple as some people think. Federer has more trouble returning Nadal's serve than Roddick's. Often the stronger returners like a bigger serve. Anyway Agassi did have a huge amount of trouble returning Sampras's serve, it is not like he was even close to handling it with ease especialy on a surface with any speed in it. Why else is he 0-6 vs Sampras at Wimbledon and the U.S Open, especialy when drakulie always loves bringing up stats how Agassi is winning more of the baseline rallies in matches he still keeps losing to Sampras. Of course he had no real problem returning Sampras's serve on clay, but we all agree Agassi would be dominated by Nadal on clay so what does that matter.
 
davey25 said:
It is not always as simple as some people think. Federer has more trouble returning Nadal's serve than Roddick's. Often the stronger returners like a bigger serve. Anyway Agassi did have a huge amount of trouble returning Sampras's serve, it is not like he was even close to handling it with ease especialy on a surface with any speed in it. Why else is he 0-6 vs Sampras at Wimbledon and the U.S Open, especialy when drakulie always loves bringing up stats how Agassi is winning more of the baseline rallies in matches he still keeps losing to Sampras. Of course he had no real problem returning Sampras's serve on clay, but we all agree Agassi would be dominated by Nadal on clay so what does that matter.
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More doo-doo from someone who has obviously never watched Sampras play Agassi other than youtube highlights.

Oh, and by the way, Agassi was injured those 6 matches you refer to.
 
World Beater said:
Nadal pretty much everywhere. I think it would be even on carpet indoors though.

Nadal just gets too many balls and contrary to popular belief, agassi has tons of trouble returning nadal's serve. agassi even stated it as much saying he had to actually stand further back to get a crack the serve because of the action on the ball.

Nadal's high ball does indeed bother agassi quite a bit. Watch the match in canada and you will see that agassi hit many routine bhs out because he found it tough to control the ball. agassi called nadal's ball the "meanest" he's ever faced.

agassi will have to play high risk tennis to take nadal out and be on his game. Because nadal is way more athletic, can play outstanding defense and has a higher percentage attacking game than agassi.
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seriously?
you do know Davydenko raeps nadal on any moderately fast surface.
Agassi was a much better version of Davydenko.

Nadturd demographic:

50%: clueless 12 year old boys
45%: middle aged women
5%: actual tennis fans


clearly, you belong in the first category.
 
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drakulie said:
More doo-doo from someone who has obviously never watched Sampras play Agassi other than youtube highlights.

Oh, and by the way, Agassi was injured those 6 matches you refer to.
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I have watched them play many times and fact is Agassi had a huge amount of trouble returning Sampras's serve, especialy on any medium or faster surface. If you think otherwise you are obviously blind or too big an Agassi fanboy to be at all objective. You are the one who keeps posting stats (probably fake ones but anyway) of Agassi winning so many more of the baseline rallies in matches that he loses to Sampras. Yet he is doing that having no problem returning his serve, LOL!
 
aphex said:
seriously?
you do know Davydenko raeps nadal on any moderately fast surface.
Agassi was a much better version of Davydenko.

Nadturd demographic:

50%: clueless 12 year old boys
45%: middle aged women
5%: actual tennis fans


clearly, you belong in the first category.
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you do realize that agassi did play nadal twice and no...agassi had trouble with nadal's serve and the rest of his game. he even says it himself.

so if i belong in the first 50%, so does Agassi. I posted his quotes on the previous page. Go take a look.

i dont what davydenko has to do with anything here. he plays a similar style to andre but he isn't the same player as agassi.

But if it helps your argument to say im a young 12 year old, you can go ahead and believe it.
 
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aphex said:
seriously?
you do know Davydenko raeps nadal on any moderately fast surface.
Agassi was a much better version of Davydenko.

Nadturd demographic:

50%: clueless 12 year old boys
45%: middle aged women
5%: actual tennis fans


clearly, you belong in the first category.
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one more just for you...

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Q. We know you like to take the ball pretty early. It looked like you were a little bit closer up to the baseline at the start of the match on Nadal's serve, a little bit further back towards the end. Is that a good assessment?

ANDRE AGASSI: Yeah, that is a good assessment. That was the case. I thought -- you know, you watch him on TV, it looks like he just rolls that serve in. It looks like you should be able to hit it pretty effectively. But it is a lefty action with sort of a slice sometimes kick to it. So the ball's moving around a bit. If you don't hit it square, you leave anything hanging, and that's where he's really dangerous. So it's not so much that you can't stand up on the serve as much as if you don't hit it perfectly, you're going to pay for that. And I felt like I wasn't getting into enough points on his serve, so I drifted back to give myself a chance just to hit a quality cut and get into the point, which turned out to be pretty necessary. You know, the ball's jumping out there. The way he hits it, it's even jumping that much more.

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i guess agassi is a nadturd too, huh?


so everyone assumes that agassi can just take nadal's ball early and have him on a string...

not exactly...from agassi himself. nadal forced him back, something that we thought we never happen to andre.
 
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I dont think Agassi would have a huge problem returning Nadal's serve either, but I think the reverse is also true. Nadal has no problem returning Federer's serve at all in fact, just look at the head to head in this case, Nadal 14-7. Yet Federer's serve is superior to Agassi by a huge margin. Not by as much as Sampras vs Nadal, but still by a huge margin. So if Nadal has no problem returning Federer's serve (literally no problem unlike Agassi returning Sampras's serve which indeed is a problem) then he would have an easy time returning Agassi's. So really what difference does it make. The serve wouldnt be a factor either way in the match.
 
Gamewise:

Serve- Nadal
Return of Serve- Agassi
Forehand- Nadal
Backhand- Agassi
Movement- Nadal by a country mile
Mental game- Nadal
Volleys- Nadal
Overhead- Agassi
Passing shots- Nadal
Drop Shots- Nadal
Court positioning- Agassi
Intangibles- Nadal

Surfaces:

Hard courts- Agassi
Clay- Nadal by a country mile
Grass- Nadal

Overall- Nadal
 
My opinion is "I don't think so but wouldn't be terribly surprised if it happened".
aphex said:
seriously?
you do know Davydenko raeps nadal on any moderately fast surface.
Agassi was a much better version of Davydenko.
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You do know Davy from early 2010 (who was playing as good as it gets) ate a bagel from Nadal on a moderately fast surface (and yes, I know he went on to win the match).
 
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Furthermore that statement would imply Davydenko would raape Nadal on grass which is most certainly a more than moderately fast surface even today, which makes that statement an epic fail already.
 
 
federerhoogenbandfan said:
I guess one question is will Nadal surpass Agassi on hard courts or not. Any thoughts on that?
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Difficult. Agassi has 6 hard court slams to his name. I really can't see Rafa winning that many hard court slams.

He has surpassed him on clay and grass, but I think he will take the backseat on hard courts to Agassi.
 
Hitman said:
Difficult. Agassi has 6 hard court slams to his name. I really can't see Rafa winning that many hard court slams.

He has surpassed him on clay and grass, but I think he will take the backseat on hard courts to Agassi.
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I dont think Nadal has to win 6 hard court slams to potentially surpass Agassi on hard courts. Agassi is not considered a greater hard court player than Connors, McEnroe, or Lendl by many people inspite of having more hard court slams.

Is must be considered Agassi won some of those hard court slams vs some of the weakest draws in history. And he dominated the Australian Open during the interim period in the mens game between Sampras and Federer which was perhaps the most painful period ever in the game. The year end #1s those years were Kuerten, Hewitt twice, and Roddick keep in mind. Nadal of 2007 and 2008 who got destroyed by Tsonga and Gonzalez would have even won the 2001 and 2003 Australian Opens vs the same draws Agassi faced those years, and Nadal of 2008 and 2009 would have easily won the 1994 and 1999 U.S Opens vs the same draws Agassi faced as well. Of course that is not what happened and Nadal still has to greatly builid his hard court achievements to make it a discussion.

If Nadal wins 4 hard court slams one could reevaluate him vs Agassi on hard courts and seriously argue his being better.
 
davey25 said:
I dont think Nadal has to win 6 hard court slams to potentially surpass Agassi on hard courts.
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I agree. Likewise, Agassi doesn't need to suprass Nadal on clay to be considered a better clay courter considering Nadal hasn't played any good players on clay during his reign. :roll:
 
Murrayfan31 said:
It would be similar to the Nadal and Davydenko matchup.
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That would mean Agassi winning on hard courts but always losing on clay or grass. Well Davydenko hasnt even gotten far enough to play Nadal on grass since he sucks on it. Agassi is many times stronger than Davydenko on grass but probably still not strong enough to take Nadal so ironically that would help Nadal have a better head to head vs Agassi than Davydenko who he almost always plays only on hard courts.
 
drakulie said:
I agree. Likewise, Agassi doesn't need to suprass Nadal on clay to be considered a better clay courter considering Nadal hasn't played any good players on clay during his reign. :roll:
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Only you would even think of suggesting Agassi is anywhere near Nadal's league on clay. Continue your delusions.

By the way what do you consider prime Agassi. When it comes to clay was it the one who couldnt beat a 30 year old Gomez, Courier in his first slam final, then got waxed the next year by Courier, in the early 90s. Or was it the one who lost 2nd round, quarters to Kafelnikov, and Woodruff in the mid 90s. Or the one who lost to 18 year old Safin 2nd round, won his only French in 5 sets over Medvedev, and lost 2nd round to Kucera. Or the early 2000s Agassi who lost 3 straight years in the quarters to Grosjean, Ferrero, and Coria. Which one of those Agassi's is arguably better than prime Nadal on clay. :lol:
 
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davey25 said:
Only you would even think of suggesting Agassi is anywhere near Nadal's league on clay. Continue your delusions.
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Only you would even think of suggesting Nadal is anywhere near Agassi's league on hardcourt. Continue your delusions.
 
Agassi, 6 slams on hard court, and 10 slam finals.

1 FO championship, and 3 finals vs Nadal's 1 AO title and 1 sole slam final.
Nadal, 1 slam on hard court, and 1 slam final.

Fact is, Agassi has done better on clay than Nadal has done on hard courts, and add to that, nadal has twice as many chances a year to do well on hardcourts, as Agassi did on clay, you momo.
 
drakulie said:
Only you would even think of suggesting Nadal is anywhere near Agassi's league on hardcourt. Continue your delusions.
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I said if he wins 4 hard court slams it would be worth debating. Obviously he has a long ways to go at this point. You do realize Nadal beat Federer in a slam final on hard courts. Not exactly easy to do. Especialy since you are one of the sea of Federer fanatics who keeps pointing out how superior to Sampras he supposably is.
 
Agassi is a hardcourt god. To even mention Nadal in the likes of Agassi is blasphemy. To think that Nadal can't even handle Davydenko on a hardcourt. Like some mentioned. Agassi is a better version of Davydenko.
 
drakulie said:
Agassi, 6 slams on hard court, and 10 slam finals.

1 FO championship, and 3 finals vs Nadal's 1 AO title and 1 sole slam final.
Nadal, 1 slam on hard court, and 1 slam final.

Fact is, Agassi has done better on clay than Nadal has done on hard courts, and add to that, nadal has twice as many chances a year to do well on hardcourts, as Agassi did on clay, you momo.
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Nadal wins his hard court slam by beating Federer in 5 sets
Agassi wins his clay court slam by beating the World #100 in 5 sets

See the difference.

Nadal at 24 has already won 5 Masters on hard courts.
Agassi won his first and only Masters title on clay courts at age 32.
 
Take away the headcases issues with Agassi add some tennis dedication and he would have as many slams as Sampras by now and throttle a prime Nadal everywhere except clay.
 
davey25 said:
I said if he wins 4 hard court slams it would be worth debating. Obviously he has a long ways to go at this point. You do realize Nadal beat Federer in a slam final on hard courts. Not exactly easy to do. Especialy since you are one of the sea of Federer fanatics who keeps pointing out how superior to Sampras he supposably is.
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You lose.

Agassi has 6 Hard Court Slams under his belt.
Nadal has 1.

Advantage Agassi.

Agassi has reached 10 hard court slam finals.
Nadal has reached 1.

Advantage Agassi.

Agassi has reached 3 clay court slam finals, vs Nadal's 1 slam final on hard courts.

Advantge Agassi


Agassi has won 1 clay slam final, Nadal has won 1 hard court final. However, there are more chances for Nadal to win on hard court slams, than there was for agassi to win the clay slam.

Adantage Agassi.


YOU LOSE.
 
Going with davey on this one, agassi was as overhyped as a player could be. He could lose 2 points then blast a winner all the sheep would remember was the winner.

Nadal beat agassi on hardcourts and both were playing pretty well in the match.

Agassi has never beaten nadal just like pete has never beaten fed. The guys today are so much better.
 
federerhoogenbandfan said:
Interesting. You think Agassi was as naturally talented as Sampras?
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Actually yes, if not more. Did you read his book? The guy was made into a tennis robot by his father. But so many problems with the hair, women, etc etc caused his demise. I'm not saying he would have had the better H2H with Sampras, but definitely would have had more slams to his name.
 
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