How do people figure that Nadal has won his last Slam?

[MichaelNadal]

There are a bunch of cocky people on each side, and yes nothing is guaranteed. I agree with you on that one. The perfect example is McEnroe's incredible 84 season, followed by never winning a slam again. I do however think we need to stop all this speculation, and as MN has stated, the situation is completely different between Federer and Nadal at the moment. Nadal is very much top two, holder of two slams, and a slam final and with many more years to play provding he is still fit and healthy, and motivated. Federer can strike gold, but realistically his chances are less than Nadal, I think that is a fair assessment. It's doesn't mean Federer won't win, because he was only two games from slam 18, just means Rafa is more likely to add slams than Roger is at this moment.

The real question is has the Undertaker wrestled his last match, and what the hell is going to happen with Brock as champion?

 

[Day Tripper]

Some will argue just 1-2 more off of clay will secure considering the fact, Nadal has made Federer is whipping boy for 10 years.

I will give Nadal instant OPen Era GOAT status with 2 more slams off of clay which is easily attainable for Nadal considering hes got 2-3 solid years left to do it when factor in his DOMINATION over Roger and Masters record.



Factor in Nadal has had to beat the best of his era to win his slams, while Fed had to AVOID the best of the era to win his slams. Fed doesn't get too many points for that. Praying and hoping to avoid his main rival so he can win. A true GOAT doesn't need the absence of his main rival to win.

Thus why Fed is not nearly the all time GOAT.

The elephant in the room of course is the fact that he hasn't achieved any of this 'clean'.
Do you just turn a blind eye to this?

 

[Day Tripper]

Nadal will most likely finish with the following breakdown

French Open - 11
Wimbledon 2
Aust Open - 1
US Open - 2

16 slams in total.

Hard to justify calling a guy who has won only two Wimbledon's and spent less than 200 weeks at number 1 over a career spanning over a decade the GOAT!

Clay court great - hard to argue.
GOAT - hard to justify.
Perpetuating one of the great cons of modern Sport - most probably.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

The real question is has the Undertaker wrestled his last match, and what the hell is going to happen with Brock as champion?

Taker V Sting Wrestlemania 31. It will happen.

Brock to stay champion and drop the title to Reigns at Wrestlemania 31.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Taker V Sting Wrestlemania 31. It will happen.

Brock to stay champion and drop the title to Reigns at Wrestlemania 31.

At the first one.... I really hope so!
At the second... meh. I like Roman, but his push is wayyyyy too forced for me and they have better talent imo.

The elephant in the room of course is the fact that he hasn't achieved any of this 'clean'.
Do you just turn a blind eye to this?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Nadal will most likely finish with the following breakdown

French Open - 11
Wimbledon 2
Aust Open - 1
US Open - 2

16 slams in total.

Hard to justify calling a guy who has won only two Wimbledon's and spent less than 200 weeks at number 1 over a career spanning over a decade the GOAT!

Clay court great - hard to argue.
GOAT - hard to justify.
Perpetuating one of the great cons of modern Sport - most probably.

I can imagine a day at Rafa's house after he retires.

He'll be sitting on his sofa, and instead of finding a few pennies between the cushions, he'll find one of his RG trophies.

He'll be doing gardening, and will run out of flowering pots. No matter, he has plenty of RG trophies to decorate his new botanic garden.

Rafa hosts a party, and needs a couple of punch bowls. No issue, when you have more RG trophies than you can count.

And if he ever gets bored, or has a new shelf put in that he can't seem to find the right decoration peice for, he can always go win a few more. No big deal.

 

[octobrina10]

Nadal will most likely finish with the following breakdown

French Open - 11
Wimbledon 2
Aust Open - 1
US Open - 2

16 slams in total.

Hard to justify calling a guy who has won only two Wimbledon's and spent less than 200 weeks at number 1 over a career spanning over a decade the GOAT!

Clay court great - hard to argue.
GOAT - hard to justify.
Perpetuating one of the great cons of modern Sport - most probably.

Wimbledon? Wimbledon is a museum, and "grass is for the cows,” has said Ivan Lendl.

 

[jg153040]

I can imagine a day at Rafa's house after he retires.

He'll be sitting on his sofa, and instead of finding a few pennies between the cushions, he'll find one of his RG trophies.

He'll be doing gardening, and will run out of flowering pots. No matter, he has plenty of RG trophies to decorate his new botanic garden.

Rafa hosts a party, and needs a couple of punch bowls. No issue, when you have more RG trophies than you can count.

And if he ever gets bored, or has a new shelf put in that he can't seem to find the right decoration peice for, he can always go win a few more. No big deal.

This is very good.

 

[cronus]

Wimbledon? Wimbledon is a museum, and "grass is for the cows,” has said Ivan Lendl.

and clay is for pigs? :lol:

this makes the make believe swine GS a sty ?

 

[cronus]

Which is why I love being a fan of his..... 5 minutes later...

fishing near African border has its after effects i guess.:lol:

 

[MichaelNadal]

fishing near African border has its after effects i guess.:lol:

Show me those gritted teeth Cronus

 

[PMChambers]

If it helps I saw Nadal as a young man and said he'd burn out by 25. A bit like Hewitt with re-occurring injuries, capable of pulling a big one out but not consistently and not with favorably draws as a result. I was very wrong. He definitely got a few GS in him especially as he does not seem to need to practice and play extensively to play well. He could just focus on the GS and a few Masters and still do well, though the compulsory masters format wont help.

 

[Bendex]

I hear posters on this forum (not trolls- mind you), casually state that Nadal has won his last slam, or won't reach 17. Even as a Federer fan, I don't see how they think Nadal is finished. He's been in 2 slam finals, and shows no signs of really slowing down at Roland Garros. Am I missing something?

When I joined in 2009, it was commonly believed that Nadal had won his last slam. Though some believed he might still win a couple more FOs. His grinding style would give him no longevity, apparently.

 

[PMChambers]

When I joined in 2009, it was commonly believed that Nadal had won his last slam.

I think historically that was a fair statement. He was struggling with injuries, and historically after a wrist, ankle, knee or back issue players never reach the highest consistently they did prior. I thin Boris played better after wrist injury but never won a GS so that was more of a mental maturity and the new Top 2 had his number.

 

[MichaelNadal]

That my friends is why Rafa hate is so strong. He's been burning the haters for a longggg time.

 

[Charlemagne]

He can basically bank on the FO for at least the next 3 year... Him and Novak are similar age, and Novak is the only person who gives him any trouble there. However, some ppl are predicting that Rafa might be taken out by a big server having a great game...

 

[beast of mallorca]

That my friends is why Rafa hate is so strong. He's been burning the haters for a longggg time.

And there's a lonnnnnggg list of haters here in TW, mind........:twisted:

 

[cigrmaster]

I believe Rafa will win more slams as his only competition in a 5 set match right now is Joker. I don't see Warinka or Murrey or Fed beating a healthy Rafa in a slam. I don't believe any of the up and comers are ready such as Kei, or Dimitrov or Roanic and I think Cilic is going to be a one hit wonder. Now of course injury can put any more slams for him in jeapordy but I believe he can stay healthy enough for the next 3 years to get to 17 or 18.

Even if he doesn't win another it was an amazing career and we should all be thankful we got to watch a real class act play some incredible tennis.

 

[Backspin1183]

Rafa's going to try to win everything in 2015. I think he wins at least 1 Slam again. I think he'll be dangerous at AO too.

 

[D.Nalby12]

I think historically that was a fair statement. He was struggling with injuries, and historically after a wrist, ankle, knee or back issue players never reach the highest consistently they did prior. I thin Boris played better after wrist injury but never won a GS so that was more of a mental maturity and the new Top 2 had his number.

Historically those never ending injuries has proven source of growth factors for last 4-5 years. Your assessment was correct till 2010, the year Nadal found biggest hole in system.


Answer to op's question: The day Nadal starts living injury free with no joint problem, tendonitis or cartilage damage will mark as end of Nadal's long 'injury troubled' career. I'm quite sure that won't happen till he achieves record, with he has long been obsessed.