kiki, Thank you very much for your understanding and praise. Yes, numbers by Fantasio and others are important but it's mostly necessary to put them into the right context. For instance it's important to look if a player's achievements were realized in a "tough" time or in a weak time. Another example: If we want to judge about Rosewall's fantastic two big finals in 1974 and his severe losses to Connors, we should consider that Muscles was 39 plus then and rather tired because they were finals, not first round matches. It's curious: The fact of Rosewall's strength as a grandpa and his being seeded was a disadvantage in his matches against Connors (five finals 1974 to 1977): These two met only in finals at the end of one and two weeks respectively. Rosewall had beaten all other strong players before the final. Some experts agree that Muscles would have had better chances against Jimbo if they had met in early rounds... In German we have the term "Fingerspitzengefühl" which means a special feeling, a "feeling of the fingertips", the right feeling for the valuation of things and matters. Gonzalez was not too old in 1969. Collins ranked him No.6 that year, Tingay No.8. Pancho won those two big events, Las Vegas and Los Angeles where he twice beat Rosewall and once demolished Newcombe and Ashe. In 1970 Gonzalez beat Laver thrice and Newcombe and Roche once. In 1972 he won three tournaments at 44... Yes, tell us more about Gisbert. I only know that he was a dentist and a fine claycourter. He won at least nine tournaments.