How do you rank the greatest Australian players?

edmondsm

Legend
Particularly, where does Hewitt rank? My sort off less then informed list looks like this.

1-Rod Laver
2-Ken Rosewall
3-Roy Emerson
4-John Newcombe
5-Lleyton Hewitt
6-Patrick Rafter
7-Jack Crawford
8-Pat Cash
9-Lew Hoad
10-Tony Roche


I will admit that I tend to rate modern players much higher as I believe they have dealt with thicker competition, I'd rather not debate that. But if I have made a mistake in my list, or more so left some one out, I would love to here what you have to say.
 

grafrules

Banned
1. Rod Laver
2. Ken Rosewall
3. Lew Hoad
4. John Newcombe
5. Roy Emerson
6. Jack Crawford
7. Lleyton Hewitt
8. Patrick Rafter
9. Pat Cash
10. Tony Roche
 

urban

Legend
Frank Sedgman is missing (imo at least on par with Newcombe and Emerson), and maybe John Bromwich, who was the greatest doubles player of all time. It can be argued, that Ashley Cooper or Fred Stolle were better players than Hewitt, or Rafter.
 

thalivest

Banned
1. Rod Laver
2. Ken Rosewall
3. Frank Sedgeman
4. Lew Hoad
5. Roy Emerson
6. John Newcombe
7. Jack Crawford
8. Lleyton Hewitt
9. Ashley Cooper
10. Patrick Rafter
 

edmondsm

Legend
Lew Hoad at number 9?? That doesn't sound right...
So yeah, here's why I created the thread. Everybody is putting Lew Hoad way up there even though in my remedial research I found that he only had 4 major titles. Newcombe in contrast had seven in singles, and 17 in doubles, but obviously there is a reason why Hoad makes it above Newcombe. I am curious why that is.
 

treblings

Hall of Fame
My first reaction when i read the title of this thread was:
Bob Hewitt? he wasn´t that good. plus he changed his nationality to South African.:)
But yeah, there is that fellow Lleyton.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
Particularly, where does Hewitt rank? My sort off less then informed list looks like this.

1-Rod Laver
2-Ken Rosewall
3-Roy Emerson
4-John Newcombe
5-Lleyton Hewitt
6-Patrick Rafter
7-Jack Crawford
8-Pat Cash
9-Lew Hoad
10-Tony Roche


I will admit that I tend to rate modern players much higher as I believe they have dealt with thicker competition, I'd rather not debate that. But if I have made a mistake in my list, or more so left some one out, I would love to here what you have to say.
I like this list...though I might consider swapping Rafter and Lleyton but they to me are pretty close overall. Lleyton is definitely not top 4 on all time best australians list, but when you consider who the top 4 are thats really not an insult. Also...I agree with Hoad at number 9, while he was an amazingly talented players...the numbers don't lie and he never cashed in on that talent like he truly could have, at least in my opinion
 

treblings

Hall of Fame
Also...I agree with Hoad at number 9, while he was an amazingly talented players...the numbers don't lie and he never cashed in on that talent like he truly could have, at least in my opinion
Numbers don´t lie. but they often don´t tell the whole story. Obviously Lew Hoad would have won more slams had he not turned pro so soon. when the open era arrived in 68, he was past his prime and having serious back trouble.
 

AndrewD

Legend
If you're only talking about the men (not that you said so) and you are putting most weight on singles (not that you said - but it would have been helpful):

1-Rod Laver
2-Ken Rosewall
3-Frank Sedgman
4-Lew Hoad (whose position is based, not in relation to the other players, but to their appraisal of him).
5-Jack Crawford
6- Roy Emerson
7- John Newcombe
8- Gerald Patterson
9- Sir Norman Brookes
10- Ashley Cooper
11-Neale Fraser
12-Fred Stolle
12- Tony Roche
14- Lleyton Hewitt
15-Pat Rafter
16-John Bromwich
17- Adrian Quist
18-Pat Cash

If you're talking about ALL Australians, male and female, you can insert Margaret Court at #2 in that list and Evonne Goolagong at #10
 

edmondsm

Legend
I like this list...though I might consider swapping Rafter and Lleyton but they to me are pretty close overall. Lleyton is definitely not top 4 on all time best australians list, but when you consider who the top 4 are thats really not an insult. Also...I agree with Hoad at number 9, while he was an amazingly talented players...the numbers don't lie and he never cashed in on that talent like he truly could have, at least in my opinion
Yeah I had to think about Rafter and Hewitt a little bit. Which one is better? Tough to say, completely different games obviously. I gave Lleyton the edge because he won Wimbledon, and he beat Sampras in the USO final. Plus he has a ton more title then Rafter.

Lew Hoad sounds like one of those players that got lost in the transition between amatuer and open eras. Too bad.
 
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edmondsm

Legend
If you're only talking about the men (not that you said so) and you are putting most weight on singles (not that you said - but it would have been helpful):

1-Rod Laver
2-Ken Rosewall
3-Frank Sedgman
4-Lew Hoad (whose position is based, not in relation to the other players, but to their appraisal of him).
5-Jack Crawford
6- Roy Emerson
7- John Newcombe
8- Gerald Patterson
9- Sir Norman Brookes
10- Ashley Cooper
11-Neale Fraser
12-Fred Stolle
12- Tony Roche
14- Lleyton Hewitt
15-Pat Rafter
16-John Bromwich
17- Adrian Quist
18-Pat Cash

If you're talking about ALL Australians, male and female, you can insert Margaret Court at #2 in that list and Evonne Goolagong at #10
You must really be into old school tennis to put those guys above Hewitt and Rafter.
 

vbranis

Professional
If you're only talking about the men (not that you said so) and you are putting most weight on singles (not that you said - but it would have been helpful):

1-Rod Laver
2-Ken Rosewall
3-Frank Sedgman
4-Lew Hoad (whose position is based, not in relation to the other players, but to their appraisal of him).
5-Jack Crawford
6- Roy Emerson
7- John Newcombe
8- Gerald Patterson
9- Sir Norman Brookes
10- Ashley Cooper
11-Neale Fraser
12-Fred Stolle
12- Tony Roche
14- Lleyton Hewitt
15-Pat Rafter
16-John Bromwich
17- Adrian Quist
18-Pat Cash

If you're talking about ALL Australians, male and female, you can insert Margaret Court at #2 in that list and Evonne Goolagong at #10
Reaching the top in the 1920s or 30s was infinitely easier than it is now. Both Hewitt and Rafter should definitely be ahead of Brookes, Patterson, and Crawford, at the very least.
 
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