How does Gauff avoid falling into the same trap as Raducanu and Andreescu?

leodevlin

Semi-Pro
The record of new gen teens winning the USO after the win hasn't been that great. Now Coco seems to be very mature for her age but she still lives in the era of social media which in my view has been a big disadvantage for this generation.

How does she ensure she doesn't end up like those two after her maiden GS win?
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
The record of new gen teens winning the USO after the win hasn't been that great. Now Coco seems to be very mature for her age but she still lives in the era of social media which in my view has been a big disadvantage for this generation.

How does she ensure she doesn't end up like those two after her maiden GS win?

LOL,, just don't get injured. Coco never really had to deal with injury so this shouldn't be a issue. but i think Iga will still give her lots of problems on the clay courts though. Iga is still clearly better player on clay
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
I sort of see the comparison to Andreescu but coco has been on tour now 4 years? She has made steady progress since blowing up at 15. She’s won 4 tournaments this year. If she stays healthy with her mobility and ability to get balls back she will always be dangerous until her mobility is slowed. At that point I think she’s going to slowly develop a power game
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Andreescu is a cripple, and she kind of already was even before she won the US Open. Coco is still young, but there is no reason to believe she will have the same issue, as we would likely already have seen signs of it.

When it comes to Raducanu what even is her primary issue? Injuries? The distracting glare of the spotlight and the success? The weight of expectation? Or not actually being very good at tennis? She was a qualifier, after all.

I don't think she has a single top 10 win to her name, does she? As we often see with youngsters who burst on the tour once there is actually footage of them and people can study and work out their game they often cease to have the same impact.

Again, no sign that Coco is massively susceptible to injuries, the spotlight has been on her for years and she has handled it well (it'll obviously be a bigger spotlight now, with more expectation, so we'll see) and nobody with two brain cells to rub together is going to suggest she isn't actually very good at tennis.

So I don't see any reason why any of the myriad problems that took those two down should impact her. The one that might have the most impact is the weight of expectation now she's major winner, but she dealt really well in living up to all the hype surrounding her before she had even won one, and the improvements in her game and mentality recently are obvious to see, so I wouldn't bet against her.
 

leodevlin

Semi-Pro
I sort of see the comparison to Andreescu but coco has been on tour now 4 years? She has made steady progress since blowing up at 15. She’s won 4 tournaments this year. If she stays healthy with her mobility and ability to get balls back she will always be dangerous until her mobility is slowed. At that point I think she’s going to slowly develop a power game
Agreed overall but I am not sure Andreescu's lack of success is just due to injuries. She took a six month mental health break, she is clearly struggling in that department as well.
 

wang07

Semi-Pro
Keep working, basically. Even though the improvement is hard not to notice, it's not like she suddenly became a world beater overnight, Sabalenka handed it to her, it was a pathetic performance.

I'll say one thing though, Coco's remark about "silencing haters" after winning is a clear sign that things may not be headed in the right direction...
 

Arak

Legend
Gauff is very athletic. I doubt injuries will be a factor. She also looks very ambitious, so I don’t honk she will be easily distracted.
 

No_Kwan_Do

Semi-Pro
Chris Evert, who's very hit and miss as a commentator, nailed it on the head when she said that Coco Gauff was more emotionally prepared to win a slam than Emma Raducanu was.

That's not a slight on Raducanu by the way. Before she had the temerity to a win a major, she'd been a full-time pro for 4 months and accumulated very little main tour experience leading up to her win, which comprised of 4 WTA-level tournaments that included a WTA125 Final and a run to R4 of Wimbledon. Immediately before that, she'd taken 15 months off the tour completely and didn't travel internationally due to COVID as a 17/18 year old, so was unprepared for what was to come after her slam win. She wasn't accustomed to the rigours of the tour, the week-to-week grind, and didn't possess the physical fitness, or physicality to consistently compete at that level. Winning a slam and then becoming a regular tour player is completely ass-backwards and something which I doubt will ever be done again. Her development has now been stunted by injuries and coaching changes. Some of which is of her own doing, but some of the injuries this year just when she started to fill out physically were unfortunate and not fitness-related (wrists, rolling her ankle, bad tonsilitis).

Gauff is the polar opposite, which is why I'm 99% certain she won't fall off. She's been a tour player now for almost 4 years. She's gone through the grind, and got the experience. She's built herself up physically, mentally, and she's been winning tournaments. 250 wins, 500 win, 1000 win, and now a slam. She's more accustomed to the level of expectation and pressure as she's grown with it for the last 4 years since her breakout in 2019, and it's been a healthier rise to the top. She's also more physically-developed than both Raducanu and Andreescu.

Andreescu, I can't really comment too much on as I don't take much of an interest in her career. I just know she had a big breakout in 2019 with a couple of 1000 titles and then a slam. Reached a 1000 final the following year and has basically done very little since. I know she took a sabbatical from the sport for a number of months regarding her mental health, and has had some bad injuries to contend with as well.

I'm not saying that Andreescu or Raducanu can't get back to top 10, because Raducanu in particular may end up fulfilling whatever potential she has further down the line. Andreescu at 23 may also do the same.
 
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ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
Andreescu and Raducanu have been destroyed by injuries. That's the simple answer.

Andreescu might currently be fit (I don't know?), but even when she does play she never looks quite the same physical speciman as she did in 2019. She looks like she's trying to be careful around the court, rather than actually win. I don't know if she can ever get back to what she was.

When it comes to Raducanu, nobody really knows how good she is because she's never had a chance to grow and develop. She's literally never gone more than 2 or 3 tournaments without a new injury. Will the pattern ever change? It might not.

Gauff has been on tour 5 years and not had any notable injuries. She even plays doubles on top of singles and virtually never looks tired. That will change in time but for now there is no evidence she will suffer the same fate as the other two. All signs point to a healthy, successful career near the top of the game.
 

Pheasant

Legend
Coco has had a slow but steady improvement from her already very good levels. I.e, she was ready for the big time, since she slowly got there. She went from top 100 in 2019, to top 50 in 2020, to top 25 in 2021, to top 10 last year. This year, she should end up in the top 5 or so with a slam title on her resume. This wasn't a "lottery" type of slam title like it was for Sloane Stephens or Sophia Kenin.

Coco also appears to be incredibly disciplined. And if/when she has a nasty injury, I see her coming back strong to overcome(not quite like legend Nadal, but strong nonetheless).
 

buscemi

Hall of Fame
Coco has had a slow but steady improvement from her already very good levels. I.e, she was ready for the big time, since she slowly got there. She went from top 100 in 2019, to top 50 in 2020, to top 25 in 2021, to top 10 last year. This year, she should end up in the top 5 or so with a slam title on her resume. This wasn't a "lottery" type of slam title like it was for Sloane Stephens or Sophia Kenin.

Coco also appears to be incredibly disciplined. And if/when she has a nasty injury, I see her coming back strong to overcome(not quite like legend Nadal, but strong nonetheless).
I don't know that Kenin's Major should be considered a "lottery" type of Slam. She also had a slow, steady improvement: #212 in 2016, #108 in 2017, #52 in 2018, #14 in 2019, and then #4 in 2020, winning the Australian Open and making the French Open final.
 

Bambooman

Hall of Fame
Despite being a prodigy her progress has been more normal so she was actually ready for her breakthrough. They were not.

She just needs to keep doing what she's been doing.
 

Jonesy

Legend
Lottery slams... i wonder when was the last time we had that on the men's tour. Probably Gaudio, since Cilic and Thiem at least made other slam finals to back up the level.

Yeah, i feel Coco now is a lot different than Raducanu, Andreescu.... with Gilbert she will have consistency and a smart game to win more slams. The big 3 now are Sabs, Iga and Coco.
 

Pheasant

Legend
I don't know that Kenin's Major should be considered a "lottery" type of Slam. She also had a slow, steady improvement: #212 in 2016, #108 in 2017, #52 in 2018, #14 in 2019, and then #4 in 2020, winning the Australian Open and making the French Open final.
Fair enough. That's very true. Her decline has been disappointing, although she's had a few injuries that contributed to it.
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
I don't think there's much reason to think she'd fall into the same "trap" as either Andreescu or Raducanu. The crucial difference is that she's a comparatively seasoned 19-year-old. She already knows how to take care of her body and handle the rigors of a long season. She knows how to cope with external pressure and balance her on- and off-court endeavors. I think the fact that she didn't immediately emerge as a grand slam champion soon after her breakout at 2019 Wimbledon has helped her long-term development. She got a taste of what the "real world" of the tour was like for its biggest stars without the pressure of having to consistently perform like one yet.

But Gauff has a very specific challenge going forward: her forehand is still not that good, and it needs to improve if she's going to win more slams and emerge as a true rival to Swiatek. But now that she's won a slam, I think her short- and long-term development trajectories are more at odds with one another than they had previously been. Should she reconstruct her forehand and risk struggling next year acclimating to her refurbished technique? Or should she ride the confidence she gained from winning the US Open and see how far that takes her? Luckily for her, Brad Gilbert and Pere Riba (and Coco herself) are much smarter than me and probably realize that there is solid middle ground to occupy here. They'll work on her forehand, but the changes won't be so drastic as to require a protracted adjustment period during the season. At least that's the hope.

I do think it's imperative that Gauff stick with both Riba and Gilbert, with Riba as the day-to-day coach and Gilbert as the consultant who can share his insights over the offseason and at a few big tournaments throughout the year.
 

Dunlop300g

Rookie
Coco has definitely proved that she's a winner; not just that she won. She is a winner. And she's been consistent; for her, the sky is the limit.
 

Impressario

Semi-Pro
As a religious person, she will always be disciplined and prepared mentally, all power to her (and saying this as an agnostic)
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
People here have commented on injuries being a big factor and they are right. I think the right player management is so very important.
The good thing about Coco us that she has been around for quite a while all ready and has gradually been building up and I kind of prefer that type of career pathway than suddenly bursting on to the scene, it’s more orderly and less haphazard.
 

Bambooman

Hall of Fame
As a religious person, she will always be disciplined and prepared mentally, all power to her (and saying this as an agnostic)
Really.? Many religious people just coast on the big guy taking care of everything. Certainly not all but it's no guarantee.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
The record of new gen teens winning the USO after the win hasn't been that great. Now Coco seems to be very mature for her age but she still lives in the era of social media which in my view has been a big disadvantage for this generation.

How does she ensure she doesn't end up like those two after her maiden GS win?
Stay focused on tennis, be smart, keep your feet on the ground. And listen to Brad Gilbert's advice on tennis, even if he is annoying.

With Emma Raducanu, you could see her getting carried away, her focus shifting to off-court money stuff, combined with her firing her coaching team.
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
I'll say one thing though, Coco's remark about "silencing haters" after winning is a clear sign that things may not be headed in the right direction...
Serena operated on "silencing haters". Worked for her. But, outwardly Coco doesn't come across as a angry person...at least not in the way of directing anger at chair umpires or other players.
 

puppybutts

Hall of Fame
she plays singles and doubles together often, sometimes even mixed on top of that. she did all 3 this USO and still won singles. i think that's a pretty sure sign that she won't be chronically injured like Raducanu and Andreescu. Not to mention she already made another major final, so she's at least already on Kenin and Stephens' level.
 

CHIP72

Rookie
I don't think they are the same that's why also mentioned Andreescu who had succeess in Toronto before winning the USO.
Andreescu won Indian Wells and Canada in 2019 before winning the U.S. Open. Honestly, that's a more impressive season than what Gauff had going this year prior to the North American summer hard court season. (That's not intended to take anything away from Gauff, who had an extremely impressive North American summer hard court season and played like a player who not only can win Slams but also reach #1 in the world, but noting that prior to mid-July/two months ago her season was good but unspectacular.)
 

leodevlin

Semi-Pro
Stay focused on tennis, be smart, keep your feet on the ground. And listen to Brad Gilbert's advice on tennis, even if he is annoying.

With Emma Raducanu, you could see her getting carried away, her focus shifting to off-court money stuff, combined with her firing her coaching team.
True, but a 19 year old with all the new endorsements and social media who is been hailed the face of tennis at least in the US, that is a lot of attention. I just hope she can stay focused. I know she is quite religious , hopefully that will keep her grounded ( and I say that as an atheist :)).
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
True, but a 19 year old with all the new endorsements and social media who is been hailed the face of tennis at least in the US, that is a lot of attention. I just hope she can stay focused. I know she is quite religious , hopefully that will keep her grounded ( and I say that as an atheist :)).
All she needs is second slam to be better than them .
 

leodevlin

Semi-Pro
All she needs is second slam to be better than them .
And i don't think that is easy to achieve against the eastern european women she has to face. Swiatek with her surgical game and Sabalenka and Rybakina with those big serves are going to give her a lot of problems. Add money and fame to the the mix and things can get flaky very quick. I hope she will make it but to me it's not as clear cut as some people believe this to be.
 

nolefam_2024

G.O.A.T.
And i don't think that is easy to achieve against the eastern european women she has to face. Swiatek with her surgical game and Sabalenka and Rybakina with those big serves are going to give her a lot of problems. Add money and fame to the the mix and things can get flaky very quick. I hope she will make it but to me it's not as clear cut as some people believe this to be.
She will
 

leodevlin

Semi-Pro

The article describes exactly what I am talking about , the unhealthy attention to social media .

How will she cope if she is not going to find immediate success now that the bar has been set high ?
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
Not all injuries are equal.

Raducanu's and Andreescu's injuries seem like strain injuries (not freak accidents). Which is odd to have at their age. It suggests they flamed out because they were overextending... playing at a level their body never developed the capacity to sustain in the first place.
 

Federev

Legend
I'll say one thing though, Coco's remark about "silencing haters" after winning is a clear sign that things may not be headed in the right direction...

Interesting. Why do you think that might be a bad sign?

(Honest question)
 

wang07

Semi-Pro
Interesting. Why do you think that might be a bad sign?

(Honest question)
Most of the time Coco struck me as an honest, humble person, a hard worker, and crucially, someone who is above this insane, mentally exhausting media hype. She could have fully embraced it a long time ago, but she went to work instead, and gradually worked her way up the rankings, the way it should be. It's great to see.

However, focusing on negative aspects and painting yourself as a victim at the most important moment of your career is just not a good look. Even more so because 99% of media coverage about her, and reception in general has been overwhelmingly positive. Again, it may not even be detrimental to her game and approach - Serena built an entire career around this perspective - it's just not the way Coco carried herself before.

I really hope she will handle it well in the long run. It's tough with social media and all, but hey, she's still just 19.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
In addition to what's been said above, Coco has better "advisor(s)" behind her, guiding her in steady progress. That compared to the stream of hire-and-fire style from the Raducanu's camp - causing a lot of setbacks and distractions.
 
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