How does Mardy Fish serve and volley in today's game?

jdubbs

Hall of Fame
We all thought serve and volley was dead in today's game, but Fish (and guys like Raonic and Llodra) does it exceptionally well.

And not only serve and volley, but he's a master of the late approach. He really got Djoker out of his rhythm, and it almost worked. And he's been destroying the competition on hardcourts on his way to a #7 ranking.

How does he do it?
 

FedExpress 333

Professional
Pretty much, but getting a great serve that can can pull the opponent verrrrry wide, and mixing with B play to eep unpredictable.
 

jibinhe

Rookie
he has a very short and fast serve motion, and often hits the ball before it reaches highest point. It's harder to read and predict. And seems to me that he was not rushing to net, he mostly went to net when a return come back to center. Don't how he knows through, maybe just instinct?
 

tata

Hall of Fame
It probably has something to do with his serve. By serving in a way where you force the opponent to play into a resonably predictable area of the court and be there to put it away. He probably doesn't give them much time to look for options to hit a good return. Probably just waiting for a reflex shot to keep it in play somewhere in the middle of the court.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
We all thought serve and volley was dead in today's game, but Fish (and guys like Raonic and Llodra) does it exceptionally well.

And not only serve and volley, but he's a master of the late approach. He really got Djoker out of his rhythm, and it almost worked. And he's been destroying the competition on hardcourts on his way to a #7 ranking.

How does he do it?
Fortune favors the bold/brave.

If you want to serve and volley you not only have to have a decent serve with some deception, but you also just have to almost not give a **** about getting passed every now and then.
 

Kaz00

Semi-Pro
Fortune favors the bold/brave.

If you want to serve and volley you not only have to have a decent serve with some deception, but you also just have to almost not give a **** about getting passed every now and then.
Basically you gotta have a large one to do it. And be able to accept giving free points.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Stepanek and Llodra are doing it too

M. Youzhny 5 1
M. Llodra 7 3

R. Stepanek 4
J. Isner 3

That S-V is not viable is a myth spread by lazy, impotent, and stupid coaches (all three essential ingredients) who ogled Agassi playing the workmanlike Borg style, but lost the great train of talent of Sampras who whooshed by them before they awoke to him from their dumbness.
 
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Kaz00

Semi-Pro
Stepanek and Llodra are doing it too

M. Youzhny 5 1
M. Llodra 7 3

R. Stepanek 4
J. Isner 3

That S-V is not viable is a myth spread by lazy, impotent, and stupid coaches (all three essential ingredients) who oggled Agassi playing the workmanlike Borg style, but lost the great train of talent of Sampras.
Is it because teaching someone how to hit a big forehand and backhand is much easier than actually putting together and teaching a student an entire game?
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Is it because teaching someone how to hit a big forehand and backhand is much easier than actually putting together and teaching a student an entire game?
Absolutely, you just leave them in a corner shooting balls at each other, or bring in the ball machine.

Every damn coach and parent can do that.

Very few coaches know how to teach S-V because it's a much more difficult, truly athletic way of moving too.

They couldn't get Roddick to S-V in 20 years, (he's not doing his split steps even now) so ...
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Stepanek and Llodra are doing it too

M. Youzhny 5 1
M. Llodra 7 3

R. Stepanek 4
J. Isner 3

That S-V is not viable is a myth spread by lazy, impotent, and stupid coaches (all three essential ingredients) who ogled Agassi playing the workmanlike Borg style, but lost the great train of talent of Sampras who whooshed by them before they awoke to him from their dumbness.
Let me add Dodig - Nadal to that (a large part of it).
 

Kaz00

Semi-Pro
Agreed.:twisted::oops::oops::)

OK, OK, il escort myself out.
Lmao hahaha!

Absolutely, you just leave them in a corner shooting balls at each other, or bring in the ball machine.

Every damn coach and parent can do that.

Very few coaches know how to teach S-V because it's a much more difficult, truly athletic way of moving too.

They couldn't get Roddick to S-V in 20 years, (he's not doing his split steps even now) so ...
Ah I see I'm going to start looking into this I could use some help on my S&V my first volley is awful.
 

Kaz00

Semi-Pro
What about the split step? I think I keep forgetting to do that because I am lunging for that first volley a lot or I'm in bad a position.
 

BrooklynNY

Hall of Fame
Mardy Fish is the best Serve and Volleyer of all time to be able to compete in this tough era, against players of this caliber.
 

rfprse

Professional
The key is to keep the returner off-balance.
Fish has good enough serve and good enough volley to s&v successfully, as long as his serve is not predictable.
 
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That S-V is not viable is a myth spread by lazy, impotent, and stupid coaches (all three essential ingredients) who ogled Agassi playing the workmanlike Borg style, but lost the great train of talent of Sampras who whooshed by them before they awoke to him from their dumbness.
THis is one hell of a post.
Well spoken, Mariu.
 

OTMPut

Hall of Fame
Absolutely, you just leave them in a corner shooting balls at each other, or bring in the ball machine.
Every damn coach and parent can do that.
Very few coaches know how to teach S-V because it's a much more difficult, truly athletic way of moving too.
I have always been intrigued why coaches don't initiate kids into the game by teaching them volleys. Simple mechanics, not complicated, easy for kids to latch on. I always consider the baseline groundstrokes more complicated to begin the game with. Too many things to worry about. Plus the kids will find it, from pure physical strength perspective, easier to start learning volleying than rallying from baseline.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Stepanek doesn't have nearly as big of a serve as Fish but he still serves and volleys very effectively. It's about serve placement, making a good first volley that sets up the second putaway volley, and playing smart.

Playing smart will beat dumb baseline ball bashing almost every time. :)
 
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