I doubt if this is true. Progress or not really depends on how much practice you put in. Having a pusher's mindset is far from a factor.and will never progress beyond it or have friends to hit with.
You're going down a different path than I was treading. I was responding to your statement "We do NOT want to play the "tennis" that rec players xyz, abc here play -- two bounces, FH grip serving, on and on..."And the 5.0s, 5.5s don't want to play like the 6.0s who don't want to play like pro's?
I get that some people want to improve. I also get that some are happy just where they are. Haven't you yourself explained the group you play with and how some people make no effort to improve after years and years? They're competing but don't appear to have an aim to play higher level tennis.What you and Dart don't get is, or still arrogantly refuse to admit is, if there's an aim for us to have -- and who doesn't if you compete--, it is to play higher tennis -- the same concept as the pro's. Now don't mistake that as the same implementation. Many of us never can.
I'd argue that we can learn from hackers: not stroke technique but dogged determination.In other words, we never, and can never, aim to play like, or learn from, some hackers. Rec hackers are deviations from tennis. They are rogue tennis. Niche tennis. Unimplementable.
Go back and read more carefully what I wrote: I absolutely did not dismiss his results. What I dismissed was his idea that the 2HFH was the sole reason for his success [I claimed he won because he was a better player than his opponents, now how many hands he used for his FH].Remember, a while back you guys were laughing and dismissing the two handed FH guy even though he has much success, even more success than many here?
I don't remember that one. Are you referring to the guy who would spin 360 degrees after the serve and claimed that made his serve better?Or the FH grip serving guy even though his style is closer to rec level in term of achievable, cost/benefit, etc.?
You also just described regular rec types.Pushing gets sorted out as they try to get through 4.0 players, unless they become strong back-board type players with good pace, placement, and consistency. Then that can be developed and used effeectively through WTA and ATP.
Most pushing types we have around flounder up and down between 3.5 and 4.0.
You also just described regular rec types.
Most regular rec types we have around flounder up and down between 3.5 and 4.0.
(If we're gonna describe dogs as any animals including as cats, what's the point of describing them? LOL)
I thought you also said " unless they [pushers] become strong back-board type players with good pace, placement, and consistency. "That is the point. Pushers only exists, and do no better than other 3.5 or 4.0. If the goal is to level up and stay a pusher needs to develop strokes with more pace and placement.
I thought you also said " unless they [pushers] become strong back-board type players with good pace, placement, and consistency. "
implying they would be pushers with better pace, placement and consistency, all the way up to WTA, ATP. This belief is in line with many people who also believe Nadal, Murray are pushers.
All of y'all's point about pusher is very convoluted and confusing. THAT is my point.