How Federer gets ball early

zorg

Professional
Can you guys explain how Federer gets the ball early. Is it where he stands or the mechanices of his forehand cause he leans into the ball. What is it? He stands about the same place as others, like Safin. But he takes the ball earlier. So what is it?
 

zorg

Professional
Gets is hits...You must not have seen a match of Federer's if you don't know what "gets ball early" is. P-Mac only says it about 2 times per match.
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
Don't worry-even if you somehow discover his technique for getting the ball early, it's nothing that you or I or anyone else is gonna be able to do. It's called TALENT. A LOT of it. Maybe if you pray a lot...
 

zorg

Professional
So....no one has answered my question yet. How is good footwork letting him get the ball early?

PS: I am glad I am not the only one that is confused by it :D
 

TEAMRAFA

Rookie
zorg said:
So....no one has answered my question yet. How is good footwork letting him get the ball early?

PS: I am glad I am not the only one that is confused by it :D
Federer owes a majority of his success to his footwork. I don't really understand what it is you dont understand about getting the ball early. You take it right off the bounce, and good footwork will help you time you shots.

You can also look at a player like Andre Agassi. He was trained to stay planted on the baseline, and when the ball comes deep he doesn't back off and takes the ball right off the bounce.

Its a simple matter of just positioning yourself...
 

zorg

Professional
Ok, footwork. But how come it looks like he stay about 1 foot away from the baseline. Is that close close for pros? Cause I stand right on the baseline, but I don't really know. I mean, it just looks to me like he stands a normal way apart. Then again, he does go closer when he starts to command the point, as usual.
 

TEAMRAFA

Rookie
zorg said:
Ok, footwork. But how come it looks like he stay about 1 foot away from the baseline. Is that close close for pros? Cause I stand right on the baseline, but I don't really know. I mean, it just looks to me like he stands a normal way apart. Then again, he does go closer when he starts to command the point, as usual.
Exactly. You want to be moving into the court, not out. Obviously the closer into the court you get, the closer the balls are going to get to your feet. Its not easy (even though Roger makes it look so).
 

Phil

Hall of Fame
ProStaffTour90 said:
is that in your avatar Phil? cos after reading alot of your posts, thats how i imagined you to look. :|
Are you trying to ask me the following: "Is that you in your avatar, Phil?" Your profile says that you're from "England"; last I heard, the official language there was "English". This is a hip new trend. Get with the trend...learn it.
 

ginger

New User
It's not just standing close to the baseline. It also means that when there's a loopy ball, you don't get lazy and either hit it high and out of your strike zone, or back up and wait for the ball to drop. You hustle into the court and take it before it gets too high. Monica Seles was very good at this, and I think it was because she had a smaller strike zone with her strokes. Even though she was never reputed to be a great mover, she did a great job of moving forward into the court to cut off high balls.
 

madhavan

New User
Federer's initial foot-movement, racquet take back, shoulder turn and left arm extended are quite conventional (i.e. similar to other pros today). However what sets him apart and why he hits much earlier than others is almost immediately after, he drops the arm/ racquet head quickly and then rotates his hips forward while bringing the racquet forward with a FAIRLY STRAIGHT arm. This is the key since it
automatically puts the wrist in a stable position while allowing tremendous racket head
acceleration. Many of the other guys do most of these things, but they generally
swing the racquet forward with the arm somewhat bent at the elbow. So their
contact point occurs in front of the body (with bent elbow) whereas Federer's
contact pont occurs way out in front with a straight arm with much more racket
head speed. Check out some of his forehand clips on the web and you'll see
what I mean.

-Madhavan
 

erik-the-red

Semi-Pro
Actually, on the forehand, I don't Roger really takes it that early.

If you look at some photos of his forehand, he still takes it out in front of his body but not nearly as much as:

1. Safin
2. Agassi
3. Hewitt
4. Roddick

Roger's actually pretty eastern, so it doesn't make sense for him to take it way out in front.

However, he does move to the ball very early.
 
As already stated above his footwork is excellent and that allows him to take the ball earlier and the earlier you get there the less you have to actually swing,as opposed to swinging harder becuase your out of position.Along with hitting early he also hits with more topspin than say Agassi who also takes the ball early.That is the exact reason Rios was such a great player when he was on was becuase of his footwork which allowed him to take the ball earlier and put spin, and he had great anticipation.
 

zorg

Professional
erik-the-red said:
Actually, on the forehand, I don't Roger really takes it that early.

If you look at some photos of his forehand, he still takes it out in front of his body but not nearly as much as:

1. Safin
2. Agassi
3. Hewitt
4. Roddick

Roger's actually pretty eastern, so it doesn't make sense for him to take it way out in front.

However, he does move to the ball very early.
LOL, good one. Roddick takes the ball early??? He stands like 5 meters behind the baseline. And Safin?? He even admited if you look at the match with Federer and Safin at the Master Cup 2004. He said one of Federer's best stregths is his ability to take the ball early. And even though Agassi takes the ball early, Federer takes it even earlier. He can take Agassi's time away so well, Agassi runs like crazy. Hewitt, I am not sure about how early he takes the ball. But I know that Federer takes it earlier.
 

@wright

Hall of Fame
This is one of the keys to the SF match tomorrow. Roger MUST take advantage if Rafa hits short groundies like he has been doing. Especially on the bh side, where Roger is more vulnerable if the ball gets too high...Roger definitely has been known to take the ball early.
 

araghava

Rookie
@wright said:
This is one of the keys to the SF match tomorrow. Roger MUST take advantage if Rafa hits short groundies like he has been doing. Especially on the bh side, where Roger is more vulnerable if the ball gets too high...Roger definitely has been known to take the ball early.
Another key for Roger will be his backhand slice. If he can put bite on the slice, it will keep very low. This will be hard for Nadal to handle because he uses a 2 handed backhand and a western forehand.
 

erik-the-red

Semi-Pro
Zorg, I think we define taking the ball early differently.

Compare a picture of Safin's forehand with Federer's forehand.

You tell me that Federer hits more out in front (ie. earlier) than Safin does.

He does NOT.
 

zorg

Professional
erik-the-red said:
Zorg, I think we define taking the ball early differently.

Compare a picture of Safin's forehand with Federer's forehand.

You tell me that Federer hits more out in front (ie. earlier) than Safin does.

He does NOT.
Yeah, maybe not. But he does get the ball on the rise. I really looked closely for that today at the Nadal vs. Fed match. He stay back 2 feet behind the baseline if the ball is deep. If the ball isn't, he goes WAY in, and hits it, they maybe backs up a bit. Then does the same with the next ball. He always is very good with his footwork to catch the ball, wether forward or backward, he moves to get the ball early. Even to take just .001 second away from his apponent, he gets the ball as early as he can.
 
T

TwistServe

Guest
Doesn't matter how early he takes the ball, Nadal will dominate him.
 

erik-the-red

Semi-Pro
Zorg, don't get me wrong! :)

I agree that Federer moves to the ball (ie. gets into position) very early.

Due to his less extreme grip, he cannot take the ball out in front of him as much as Safin or Agassi.
 

zorg

Professional
erik-the-red said:
Zorg, don't get me wrong! :)

I agree that Federer moves to the ball (ie. gets into position) very early.

Due to his less extreme grip, he cannot take the ball out in front of him as much as Safin or Agassi.
That doesn't mean he can't take it when it is 1 foot in the air right after it bounces
:D
 

fastdunn

Legend
zorg said:
Can you guys explain how Federer gets the ball early. Is it where he stands or the mechanices of his forehand cause he leans into the ball. What is it? He stands about the same place as others, like Safin. But he takes the ball earlier. So what is it?
IMO, this is related to what people get amazed with Federer's genius: he has
unusual sense of the ball, his body and court. Although I still think Federer
won't be able to achieve more than Sampras, I would have to admit
I feel like this guy may be one of the greatest talents I've seen.

I can definitely sense this Federer guy has unusal sense of
things moving around him. It looks like he immediately knows where the
optimal position for him to meet the ball as soon as his opponent hits.
This often puts him from defensive position to offensive one instantly.
 

dennis1188

Semi-Pro
I did not notice Federer taking many 'balls early', seems, Nadal's topspin was forcing Federer to hit many shots 'up high' around shoulder height. Federer was definitely having problems hitting above his 'comfort zone'.
Great match by Nadal.
 
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