How good is a 4 star recruit?

[CptnRiceKrispy]

I've been playing alot recently with this girl on my team. In my opinion shes really good (4 star recruit on tennis-recruiting). When we play its usually just for fun and she helps me quite a bit. I can get the odd one or two games but shes just too good.

She talks pretty big and i was just kinda curious what is actually realistic for her. ie: highest level of play, achievements, etc.

 

[GetBetterer]

Wimbledon.

 

[WildVolley]

My team has played against 4 and 5 star recruits. If you look at the scholarships they receive you can somewhat judge level.

The 5 star recruits, though a step down from the blue-chips, often get offers from Division 1 schools. If you assume that most Division 1 schools play 5.0+ players, that gives you an idea of the playing level. The 4 stars in our league also got scholarship offers, but usually not from Div 1 teams.

 

[HunterST]

Lots of 4 stars play D1 tennis. They're not the cream of the crop at that level, but they do play.

 

[EdgeTennis]

Im not sure how they decide who gets stars but its not always accurate. I have had 3 star players beat 5 stars and 4 stars that are awful. Without watching her play who knows how good she really is.

 

[10nistennis]

Two former players that used to go to my school were 2-star and 1-star recruits. The 2-star got a scholarship to Villanova, and the other to St. Josephs in Pennsylvania.

 

[TennisAddict121]

Stars mean nothing. I know a jr that was a one star and played in some junior tournaments with some people you might have heard of (tomic, dimitrov, raonic and harrison), and I know 5 stars that get lose to him all the time, stars do not mean a lot, just a tentative ranking

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

My team has played against 4 and 5 star recruits. If you look at the scholarships they receive you can somewhat judge level.

The 5 star recruits, though a step down from the blue-chips, often get offers from Division 1 schools. If you assume that most Division 1 schools play 5.0+ players, that gives you an idea of the playing level. The 4 stars in our league also got scholarship offers, but usually not from Div 1 teams.

A weak Div 1 might be a 5.0+ level. I would think that one would need to be a 5.5/6.0 level to play on a strong Div 1 team.

 

[fluffy Beaver]

Stars mean nothing. I know a jr that was a one star and played in some junior tournaments with some people you might have heard of (tomic, dimitrov, raonic and harrison), and I know 5 stars that get lose to him all the time, stars do not mean a lot, just a tentative ranking

Any junior can almost play in any tournament with big names.

Also, I can guarantee a 5 star of the same age group will almost never ever lose to lose to a 1 star while a 3 star recruit may now and then have a competitive match but usually lose in straights easily. You got proof of this 5 star constantly losing to this one star on tennisrecruiting?

Now if we're talking about a blue chip 8th grader or below to a senior/junior level 1 star, that's a whole different story.

TennisAddict you sound a little jealous of this 5 star player, he get recruited to a top college or something but you may have thought you were better?

 

[fluffy Beaver]

Also TennisAddict the one who hits 120 mph+ serves only when he wants to but has no proof,

go click on any of the high school players on tennisrecruiting (freshman to senior) and point out a 5 star recruit that has a losing record to a 1 star recruit (Same age group). It shows 6 - 0 1 star, 5 - 0 2 star ect or else your statement is complete bs or again, there was a huge age gap.

Edit: Found his 1 star recruit friend, but he does not have any wins over a high level player. But good part on him playing college tennis http://tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=201601

 

[J_R_B]

A weak Div 1 might be a 5.0+ level. I would think that one would need to be a 5.5/6.0 level to play on a strong Div 1 team.

At the top of any D1 roster is going to be 5.5+, but only the top teams in the country will have enough depth to fill out an entire lineup with players at that level. The average roster players (like 3rd or 4th singles down through reserves and part time players) even in d1 will be 5.0 players. We're still talking about REALLY good players, though.

As far as the original question goes, a 4-star recruit should be at least a 5.0 level player even as a junior who will go on to be at least a roster player on a d1 team or a top player in a lower division of college tennis.

 

[Jonny S&V]

Any junior can almost play in any tournament with big names.

But not every junior can win a match in this situation. I have known juniors with no rating or extremely low ratings who should be rated much, much higher but aren't merely because they don't play enough tourneys for TRN's formula.

Also, I can guarantee a 5 star of the same age group will almost never ever lose to lose to a 1 star while a 3 star recruit may now and then have a competitive match but usually lose in straights easily. You got proof of this 5 star constantly losing to this one star on tennisrecruiting?

Now if we're talking about a blue chip 8th grader or below to a senior/junior level 1 star, that's a whole different story.

You're assuming the TRN formula is working and the player is playing enough matches. You're also not taking into account tanking, not caring, and the sheer stupidity of some juniors who play at a high level. One of my teammates went to junior tournies to make his parents happy, and would tank them so that he could go out and party. He has a winning record over 3 and 4 stars in high school (and college) tennis, and yet he's a 1 star on TRN.

TennisAddict you sound a little jealous of this 5 star player, he get recruited to a top college or something but you may have thought you were better?

Lol, I love personal attacks on TT, considering that you would NEVER say that to TA's face (and if you did, you would find a fist in your face pretty fast, given TA's temper).

 

[TennisAddict121]

Also TennisAddict the one who hits 120 mph+ serves only when he wants to but has no proof,

go click on any of the high school players on tennisrecruiting (freshman to senior) and point out a 5 star recruit that has a losing record to a 1 star recruit (Same age group). It shows 6 - 0 1 star, 5 - 0 2 star ect or else your statement is complete bs or again, there was a huge age gap.

Edit: Found his 1 star recruit friend, but he does not have any wins over a high level player. But good part on him playing college tennis http://tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=201601

1) I didn't say I could do it often, but I can do it. Hitting a fast serve is pretty easy when you are 6'4....besides I know plenty of players that can hit harder serves than me.

2) How the hell did you find that kids profile? He was not even the person I was talking about, how do you even know who he is? How do you know I was not talking about someone else who transfered out of my school? (there was one person at my school who played D1 then transfered to my school, then back to his former school, who was only a one star but beat many 4+ stars in the ITA tournament this year but i dont want to throw his name around)

3) James is capable of beating good players considering he used to be a 4 star when he was 12-14, then he started to tank matches because burnt out and lost the desire to play tennis. James is a good friend, and a good kid. But he doesn't have that same drive anymore so he cannot really be an example. If he started to apply himself maybe he could be very good

4) I was talking about this kid http://tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=178090 do not look at the scores, look at the articles in the bottom. You will notice Filip Krajinovic, Matt Reid and Milos Raonic in the tournament he is playing. And he was not just in the tournament, he was winning against world ranked juniors. And no junior can simply join a tournament with world ranked juniors, you have to A) be invited or B) qualify....so you are wrong again

5) I'm not upset at any 5 star for being better than me, I have only played for 4 years and I have come further than most have in a lifetime (this probably includes you considering you have nothing to do but bash me) and I am proud of my talent and what I have achieved. And I am also proud of the fact that I am continuing to improve. Also I do not belong playing against 5 stars lol, they are top D1 level players. I am not that level, I will be the first one to tell you that

6) I posted one video of me on here, so its not like I am not claiming anything that cannot be seen, I am not saying I am god, just a college player. My footwork is rather lackluster, as expected from a big guy, but my strokes are sound and I am mentally tough. My biggest weakness is moving forward, but I am working on that

7) As jonny said TR.net is not the end all be all, it is simply used by coaches for a large overview. TR.net doesn't take into account a talented player who gets nervous, someone who was poor and didn't get to play a lot of tournaments, on top of all the reasons jonny stated. I also know kids that are 3 stars who have a losing record vs 2 stars and are 3-3 against 3 stars, that does not work imo.

 

[pyrokid]

I really have no solid insight on this, but from my view TRN has a really weird way of doing stuff. It's mostly just that it seems kinda inaccurate at times, at least from personal experience. There's a pair of twins I know who were around the same skill level growing up, and their ratings were anywhere from a one to three star during about a one year period, and they went up and down quite frequently and they weren't usually the same, even though the kids were fairly close in skill level. It just depended on which one played a ranked kid in the tournies they entered I think.
It might get more accurate at older ages though, I haven't looked on there in ages.

 

[tennisnoob3]

But not every junior can win a match in this situation. I have known juniors with no rating or extremely low ratings who should be rated much, much higher but aren't merely because they don't play enough tourneys for TRN's formula.



You're assuming the TRN formula is working and the player is playing enough matches. You're also not taking into account tanking, not caring, and the sheer stupidity of some juniors who play at a high level. One of my teammates went to junior tournies to make his parents happy, and would tank them so that he could go out and party. He has a winning record over 3 and 4 stars in high school (and college) tennis, and yet he's a 1 star on TRN.



Lol, I love personal attacks on TT, considering that you would NEVER say that to TA's face (and if you did, you would find a fist in your face pretty fast, given TA's temper).

ironic...considering you made personal attacks at a stanford player calling him a waste of talent.

out of curiosity...how fast do the people you posted videos of on your youtube channel serve tennis addict?

theres no way to spin a four star recruit not being solid and having college scholarship potential. most four star recruits do commit to decent d1 programs

 

[fluffy Beaver]

1) I didn't say I could do it often, but I can do it. Hitting a fast serve is pretty easy when you are 6'4....besides I know plenty of players that can hit harder serves than me.

Then where is the video? Ya you posted a video of you hitting... but made a line of excuses before posting. lol at many people you know all hit even bigger than 123 mph.

3) James is capable of beating good players considering he used to be a 4 star when he was 12-14, then he started to tank matches because burnt out and lost the desire to play tennis. James is a good friend, and a good kid. But he doesn't have that same drive anymore so he cannot really be an example. If he started to apply himself maybe he could be very good

12-14 years old is nothing to an 18 year old. Your boy James didn't burn out, he got beat as he got older. Otherwise he wouldn't still be playing college tennis if it was so hard on him.

4) I was talking about this kid http://tennisrecruiting.net/player.asp?id=178090 do not look at the scores.

you have to A) be invited or B) qualify....so you are wrong again

LOL at don't look at the scores statement.

I clearly stated "almost" and many big names play other local tournaments in their area which many other random juniors can play as they are up and coming.

I'll play the "my friend game". I had a friend who never plays tournaments and is not very good at tennis end up playing a kid who played in the US Open and Wimbledon Juniors at a random more local tournament. So yes, you can play big names from time to time.

5) I have only played for 4 years and I have come further than most have in a lifetime

ahaha cliché much? Posters post what you've said over and over, so no, you probably have not come farther than many unless you want to battle it out with the 1000+ people that have all said it.

7) I also know kids that are 3 stars who have a losing record vs 2 stars and are 3-3 against 3 stars, that does not work imo.

This is much much more plausible, much more so than your

durrr some 5 stars have losing records to 1 stars wow, now you've moved to 2 stars being close to 3. Gee Sherlock, someone born in 1999 is almost as old to someone born in 2000 than 2004 hmm.

 

[fluffy Beaver]

out of curiosity...how fast do the people you posted videos of on your youtube channel serve tennis addict?

The karate kid (guy with the bandana) is TennisAddict and that supposively is his 123 MPH serve...

 

[tennisnoob3]

The karate kid (guy with the bandana) is TennisAddict and that supposively is his 123 MPH serve...

oh, didnt know that was him.

no way it tops out over 90. blatant foot fault too

 

[TennisAddict121]

oh, didnt know that was him.

no way it tops out over 90. blatant foot fault too

Yes foot fault, and that wasnt meant to be fast that was for form analysis.

 

[TennisAddict121]

Then where is the video? Ya you posted a video of you hitting... but made a line of excuses before posting. lol at many people you know all hit even bigger than 123 mph.




12-14 years old is nothing to an 18 year old. Your boy James didn't burn out, he got beat as he got older. Otherwise he wouldn't still be playing college tennis if it was so hard on him.




LOL at don't look at the scores statement.

I clearly stated "almost" and many big names play other local tournaments in their area which many other random juniors can play as they are up and coming.

I'll play the "my friend game". I had a friend who never plays tournaments and is not very good at tennis end up playing a kid who played in the US Open and Wimbledon Juniors at a random more local tournament. So yes, you can play big names from time to time.



ahaha cliché much? Posters post what you've said over and over, so no, you probably have not come farther than many unless you want to battle it out with the 1000+ people that have all said it.



This is much much more plausible, much more so than your

durrr some 5 stars have losing records to 1 stars wow, now you've moved to 2 stars being close to 3. Gee Sherlock, someone born in 1999 is almost as old to someone born in 2000 than 2004 hmm.

I didn't say dont look at the scores, I said dont look at his records because there are only a total of like 5 matches there. Look at teh scores of the tournament

idk what your problem is man, seriously. Its kinda sad you have nothing better to do than bash me. If you want to come hit and see my serve in person I will be more than happy to show you. Otherwise just ignore me. And in all seriousness do you even have the ability to judge others?

No offense most likely you are some scrub who has never accomplished a single thing on a tennis court. Show me a video of you hitting and maybe I will listen to what you have to say provided you are better. I can only say what is true man, if you dont want to believe that I can serve that fast or that the D1 kids who I train with can serve in the 120 range, or that my friend burnt out and simply plays HON all day instead of even going to practice be my guest. Because guess what? You really don't matter in my life, I know I'm a good college player and I have fun playing tennis. Idk where the personal attacks are coming from because I simply play to enjoy tennis along with everyone else, the fact that you are attacking me because I made a post you disagreed with is sad

 

[Jonny S&V]

ironic...considering you made personal attacks at a stanford player calling him a waste of talent.

Wow, another personal attack, and a trolling one at that. You like to follow what I do? Would you like to know where I live so you can follow me around and observe me?

theres no way to spin a four star recruit not being solid and having college scholarship potential. most four star recruits do commit to decent d1 programs

4-stars are solid in general, because the formula that TRN works. TA (and I) are playing devil's advocate and saying that the formula doesn't always work and that good players don't always have ratings merely because they don't play enough tournaments. Do you honestly believe that Jack Sock is not the #1 senior tennis player in the nation? He has no ranking on TRN, so he must be a horrible blue chip.

 

[fluffy Beaver]

Do you honestly believe that Jack Sock is not the #1 senior tennis player in the nation? He has no ranking on TRN, so he must be a horrible blue chip.

I believe it says N/A now for Jack Sock because he plays challenger events now. He did however have the #1 ranking a few months back.

 

[tennisnoob3]

I believe it says N/A now for Jack Sock because he plays challenger events now. He did however have the #1 ranking a few months back.

yup..... N/A because you go pro(which is when they remove you) and just not having a ranking with games showing up as 0-x are a big difference

 

[tennisnoob3]

Wow, another personal attack, and a trolling one at that. You like to follow what I do? Would you like to know where I live so you can follow me around and observe me?



4-stars are solid in general, because the formula that TRN works. TA (and I) are playing devil's advocate and saying that the formula doesn't always work and that good players don't always have ratings merely because they don't play enough tournaments. Do you honestly believe that Jack Sock is not the #1 senior tennis player in the nation? He has no ranking on TRN, so he must be a horrible blue chip.

i dont disagree, there are some players who have committed to great d1 schools who have a blank profile essentially.

 

[EdgeTennis]

I would say almost all 4 star recruits go Div I if not then its because grades or family pressure not to. I have two 4 stars on my juco team right now and they are both getting offers all over from Div I.

 

[Jonny S&V]

I would say almost all 4 star recruits go Div I if not then its because grades or family pressure not to. I have two 4 stars on my juco team right now and they are both getting offers all over from Div I.

Playing devils advocate again, almost every top DIII player was a 4-star in high school, and the chose DIII because of academics (for the most part). :twisted:

 

[jkang909]

TR is pretty accurate but its not really accurate. (no ranking system is perfect)

younger kids in their grades are lower ranked than older kids on tennisrecruiting so it gives younger kids a disadvantage...

 

[EdgeTennis]

Playing devils advocate again, almost every top DIII player was a 4-star in high school, and the chose DIII because of academics (for the most part). :twisted:

Very true, I've seen a lot of great players go the DIII route.