How good was Scott Davis?

kiki

Banned
This guy seemed to be the next big thing from the US, but he was quite of a major failure.Never did anything remarkable at the majors ( except giving Lendl a five set match at Wimbledon 84) and his record at the non majors is almost unexistent, at least for the most important regular tour tourneys.

But he had talent and ended up with a solid, yet not fantastic doubles record.He played a lot with David Pate, another lost cause.

Any memories of him? why so many promising americans failed to delivery in the first half of the 80´s after being so dominant at the junior level? worse than him I can mention Korita,Kures and John Turpin.
 

KG1965

Legend
This guy seemed to be the next big thing from the US, but he was quite of a major failure.Never did anything remarkable at the majors ( except giving Lendl a five set match at Wimbledon 84) and his record at the non majors is almost unexistent, at least for the most important regular tour tourneys.

But he had talent and ended up with a solid, yet not fantastic doubles record.He played a lot with David Pate, another lost cause.

Any memories of him? why so many promising americans failed to delivery in the first half of the 80´s after being so dominant at the junior level? worse than him I can mention Korita,Kures and John Turpin.
Few emerge . Few .
Scott Davis I do not even remember the name.
A read on Wiki the best result I think it was the final in Tokyo indoor (which was worth more than Tokyo Open , which he won on Scott Arias ) .
Tokyo was a BIG Indoor title and beat Leconte , Gomez and Connors before losing by Lendl .
It was 1983. In 1985 he reached the number 11 ( !! ) I have no idea how he did it ...
The following year he returned Lendl in the final but lost 6-0 in the third with Connors .
It was the last defeat against the american. He never lost more .

About Arias , he seemed a phenomenon ...
 

kiki

Banned
Few emerge . Few .
Scott Davis I do not even remember the name.
A read on Wiki the best result I think it was the final in Tokyo indoor (which was worth more than Tokyo Open , which he won on Scott Arias ) .
Tokyo was a BIG Indoor title and beat Leconte , Gomez and Connors before losing by Lendl .
It was 1983. In 1985 he reached the number 11 ( !! ) I have no idea how he did it ...
The following year he returned Lendl in the final but lost 6-0 in the third with Connors .
It was the last defeat against the american. He never lost more .

About Arias , he seemed a phenomenon ...
Yes, Arias was the next to be star in the USA after winning at Rome in a convincing way.But he was to be one of Bolletieri´s first walking fails, although he was at least solid: sf at the 1983 USO, qf at the 84 FO and some other good clay court results.But, other than a big FH he had nothing else.
 

atatu

Legend
This guy seemed to be the next big thing from the US, but he was quite of a major failure.Never did anything remarkable at the majors ( except giving Lendl a five set match at Wimbledon 84) and his record at the non majors is almost unexistent, at least for the most important regular tour tourneys.

But he had talent and ended up with a solid, yet not fantastic doubles record.He played a lot with David Pate, another lost cause.

Any memories of him? why so many promising americans failed to delivery in the first half of the 80´s after being so dominant at the junior level? worse than him I can mention Korita,Kures and John Turpin.
Billy Martin was Scott Davis before Scott Davis...
 

KG1965

Legend
Billy Martin

Billy Martin was Scott Davis before Scott Davis...
Oh yesssss.

ATP site: Captured the 1973 and 1974 junior titles at Wimbledon, US Open and Orange Bowl. Named "Junior Player of the Century" by Inside Tennis Magazine.

just I remember always lost .
 

kiki

Banned
Billy Martin was Scott Davis before Scott Davis...
Yes.A superstar junior, compared even to Borg...and other than beating Vilas at Wimbledon didn´t do much later on.A classic case of overexpectations.
 
Scott Davis?

A Serve-and-Volleyer with McEnroe-esque touch at the net.

Fine shotmaker, easy on the eyes.

VERY shaky serve for a tall guy.

His attitude was perhaps best summed up in this exchange:

Q: So, do Wilson give you balls as well?

SD: No. But it doesn`t matter. I don`t practice anyway.
 
I remember one more thing about his take on life as a pro:

When his good friend Grant Connell retired, Scott Davis sent him a note that read:

`Congratulations. You got out.`
 

encylopedia

Professional
I remember him well. A junior phenom.

He had fantastic touch...it seemed to me like he wanted to be Mcenroe....but he didn't have THAT kind of touch! lol

Actually, ironically, he once wanted to fight Mcenroe.....they got in an on court spat, and he was fuming after.

If Mac was his role model, Davis copied the temper too....because he became known for that as well.

His serve was good, but not great...it was a bit inconsistent, and his 2nd serve was good (he was a tall guy).... but nothing special.

His volleys were excellent, but he ma overplayed touchy feely stuff on occasion.

His groundstrokes were not great. His forehand was a bit mechanical, and he mostly sliced the backhand - and while he had good touch, it was not very offensive. His topspin backhand was fragile. His groundgame....actually his whole game reminds me a bit of a worse Pioline...and though some love Pioline, I never thought much of his game. Like Pioline it was a bit fragile and prone to breaking down.
 

kiki

Banned
Scott Davis?

A Serve-and-Volleyer with McEnroe-esque touch at the net.

Fine shotmaker, easy on the eyes.

VERY shaky serve for a tall guy.

His attitude was perhaps best summed up in this exchange:

Q: So, do Wilson give you balls as well?

SD: No. But it doesn`t matter. I don`t practice anyway.
Very good post.Haha.

I also recall my favourite fail: Failin´Fritz (Buehning).He even was given a big repport at World Tennis.In which he stated: " I want to be as good as to beat Borg at the baseline and Mc Enroe at the net"

Poor Failin Fritz¡¡¡ He never ended up being as good as Mac AT THE BASELINE or Borg AT THE NET.But he did have some good results at doubles, either with Kriek or with Fleming ( once Mac stopped playing doubs)

To summarize how big were the expectations and how little he achieved suffices to say that Buehning,Kriek,Clerc and Gomez were part of the Rossignol team, an experimental team ran by Rossignol which hired coches to help them when they were beginning their pro years.Clearly, Rossignol had identified big potential and talent with those 4 young pros.I think frenchman Pascal Portes joined later on, but not sure.Ths would also be a big fail as he was considered better than Noah or Tulasne at that time and ended up with a very poor record.In any case, not sure about Portes and Rossignol.

Now, after they retired long time ago, we all know that Gomez and Kriek won slam titles, Clerc was a solid top tenner for years...and Fritz was like the Dark Duck of the family...
 
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encylopedia

Professional
Scott Davis?

A Serve-and-Volleyer with McEnroe-esque touch at the net.

Fine shotmaker, easy on the eyes.

VERY shaky serve for a tall guy.

His attitude was perhaps best summed up in this exchange:

Q: So, do Wilson give you balls as well?

SD: No. But it doesn`t matter. I don`t practice anyway.
Whoa....this is a good post - I missed it....but it's roughly the same as some things I said! Nice to see somebody else remembers Davis AND had the same impression!
 

atatu

Legend
Was Davis better than Erik Van Dillen ? EVD has wins over Mac, Stan Smith, Connors, Vilas and Nastase, but I always think of him as being one of the those guys who never lived up to the expectations.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Was Davis better than Erik Van Dillen ? EVD has wins over Mac, Stan Smith, Connors, Vilas and Nastase, but I always think of him as being one of the those guys who never lived up to the expectations.
I saw Davis play more than a few times while he was on tour including some doubles. He was at the time I believe the best ever to come out of college as far as college tennis records (exceeding, I think, Billy Martin) and he could play pro tennis.

Somewhat odd looking strokes. Take your racket, hold it straight out and far away from your body while in the "ready position," which in his case included a very deep knee bend. Hold the racket with the left hand way up on the shaft of the racket toward the strings. Right hand in an Eastern Backhand grip held very loosely. If the ball comes to your backhand you bunt it back often on the rise and also often used to approach the net. Ditto on the forehand. On the rise and move in to the net.

He played a lot of doubles with Pate, if I remember. (Aside, Pate teaches at Bally's in Las Vegas and he has absolutely no interest in discussing old tennis war stories. Either that or we keep running into him when it's too hot outside to talk tennis. I will mention to him that the virus known as "Kiki" considers his pro tennis career a "lost cause." I'm sure that will juice the conversation.)

Davis I kinda recall had Skinny Mike Tyson-like ankles.

Erik Van Dillen. I don't have any memory of this player. I think he must have hit the tour before I got into tennis.
 
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kiki

Banned
I saw Davis play more than a few times while he was on tour including some doubles. He was at the time I believe the best ever to come out of college as far as college tennis records (exceeding, I think, Billy Martin) and he could play pro tennis.

Somewhat odd looking strokes. Take your racket, hold it straight out and far away from your body while in the "ready position," which in his case included a very deep knee bend. Hold the racket with the left hand way up on the shaft of the racket toward the strings. Right hand in an Eastern Backhand grip held very loosely. If the ball comes to your backhand you bunt it back often on the rise and also often used to approach the net. Ditto on the forehand. On the rise and move in to the net.

He played a lot of doubles with Pate, if I remember. (Aside, Pate teaches at Bally's in Las Vegas and he has absolutely no interest in discussing old tennis war stories. Either that or we keep running into him when it's too hot outside to talk tennis. I will mention to him that the virus known as "Kiki" considers his pro tennis career a "lost cause." I'm sure that will juice the conversation.)

Davis I kinda recall had Skinny Mike Tyson-like ankles.

Erik Van Dillen. I don't have any memory of this player. I think he must have hit the tour before I got into tennis.
This virus has probably seen more tennis than Pate will be able to cope with...but give it a try¡¡¡
 

kiki

Banned
Was Davis better than Erik Van Dillen ? EVD has wins over Mac, Stan Smith, Connors, Vilas and Nastase, but I always think of him as being one of the those guys who never lived up to the expectations.
Good post.TBH, never watched Van Dillen other than his DC doubs play along Smith.But I recall he was considered a can´t miss prospect.Like Davis and Buehning ( my favourite fail) he just didn´t deliver on constant basis even if he had some great scalps as you mentioned.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Good post.TBH, never watched Van Dillen other than his DC doubs play along Smith.But I recall he was considered a can´t miss prospect.Like Davis and Buehning ( my favourite fail) he just didn´t deliver on constant basis even if he had some great scalps as you mentioned.
Couple years ago I'm walking in Manhattan with a friend and he sees this guy he knows. Stops him and says to me, "do you know who this is." No, I reply. He says its Fritz Buehning. I knew the name but I don't think I saw him play. Fritz lives in NJ. If I run into him again I'll mention that some online poster/virus/bot -- I'm not clear which -- considers him an even bigger fail than Pate and Davis.

The Internet, where people come to spread good cheer.
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Biggest disappointments might be an interesting thread. How about Ben Testerman for inclusion in such a list. He was a big prospect at one time. Or the younger Gottfried. Or Billy Martin while we're at it. Van Winitsky ?

Is it too soon to add Ryan Harrison to the list ?

I would not say any failed though. Anyone that makes it for any period on the pro tour has bucked serious odds. I would agree they fell short of some high expectations.
 
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kiki

Banned
Testerman underachieved but at least reached the Aussie semis
Compared to Failin Fritz and his rather pathetic and self depressing majors record, he sounds like an all time great, boy.
And I do not recall him stating on the central pages of a big magazine that he was " gonna beat Borg on the ground and Mac at the net"

What a waste of prime paper My God.The only worse fail is the magazine chief editor!!! SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN HIS MARCHING ORDERS RIGHT THE MINUTE AFTER EDITING THAT
 
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atatu

Legend
Biggest disappointments might be an interesting thread. How about Ben Testerman for inclusion in such a list. He was a big prospect at one time. Or the younger Gottfried. Or Billy Martin while we're at it. Van Winitsky ?

Is it too soon to add Ryan Harrison to the list ?

I would not say any failed though. Anyone that makes it for any period on the pro tour has bucked serious odds. I would agree they fell short of some high expectations.
Yeah, I forgot about Testerman. His wiki page says he only won one doubles title (with Davis) and it looks like he got the to QF at the US Open. Question - didn't he win a Mixed title with BJK ? Maybe her last title ? I have a memory of that.
 

kiki

Banned
Wasn´t Testerman a lefty? I recall him as a good volleyer; to some extent a poor man´s Mc Enroe.
 
Tshooter, regarding Scott Davis, I had somehow forgotten about the bunting part.

Isn`t bunting one of the lost arts of tennis? You don`t see that style of play much anymore...

As for the odd-looking strokes of Davis, I found them attractive. Any player with idiosyncracies and foibles is aces in my book. Even more so these days.

An argument could be made that today`s players are over-coached. But that is another discussion entirely.
 
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Scott Davis?

A Serve-and-Volleyer with McEnroe-esque touch at the net.

Fine shotmaker, easy on the eyes.

VERY shaky serve for a tall guy.

His attitude was perhaps best summed up in this exchange:

Q: So, do Wilson give you balls as well?

SD: No. But it doesn`t matter. I don`t practice anyway.
Smooth mover and very easy power.. Too bad he didnt make more of an impact..
 

jrepac

Hall of Fame
if you watched tennis in the 80's , you will remember him....he was very good, but could not really break through at the big events
 

Stuart S

New User
I watched Scott Davis vs Lendl highlights rom Wimbledon '84. He gave Lendl all kinds of trouble, and really stretched him, Lendl only winning 7-5 in the fifth. He had an almost effortless style. I certainly thought, probably like many, that he had a hell of a future. Sadly not.
 
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