How good was Sharapova's serve before shoulder surgery?

vandre

Hall of Fame
iirc, she probably df-ed just as much before surgery. she goes for every shot she hits and her serve is/ was no different. i don't know about velocity, but i'd be really interested to see the numbers (mph/ kph specifically) but i wouldn't be too surprised if the post-surgery serve is slower.

when she first came back after the surgery, her serve was all over the ranch and dfs abounded because she was using a different motion. the serve she uses now is very different from that one though.
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Most of the women players can just slam their groundies at such an amazing level off both wings.
However, the serve is pretty weak for many female players!!.

This is why Serena can dominated because of the serve.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
Most of the women players can just slam their groundies at such an amazing level off both wings.
However, the serve is pretty weak for many female players!!.

This is why Serena can dominated because of the serve.
Other than an in form Azarenka and Jankovic do we have really lot many players who can go toe to toe with Serena in groundstrokes ?
 

Vanhool

Legend
Other than an in form Azarenka and Jankovic do we have really lot many players who can go toe to toe with Serena in groundstrokes ?
A lot of them can for about a set and a half. Sadly, it's a big ask to maintain that level and usually they fall back to earth. It's a much smaller group than can get the job done.

Jankovic's days of being competitive with Serena are long behind her, though. She racked up some wins in olden times, but can't compete with Serena 3.0.
 

tennisaddict

Bionic Poster
A lot of them can for about a set and a half. Sadly, it's a big ask to maintain that level and usually they fall back to earth. It's a much smaller group than can get the job done.

Jankovic's days of being competitive with Serena are long behind her, though. She racked up some wins in olden times, but can't compete with Serena 3.0.
True. Like clockwork, Serena ups her intensity when she is a set and break down and then choke work starts.

It is not Serena 3.0 however. Compared to previous eras, no strong contenders. Lots of bits and pieces players. The one player who is consistent has the worst match up in history.
 

La Grande

G.O.A.T.
Halep is not too bad hanging in with groundstrokes, when she's focused.
Of course she hasn't been overly consistent, and she is young, but Madison Keys also hits the ball hard and clean. At the AO, she looked incredible.

But yes, I agree Halep has great groundies. Imagine if her serve was near Serena's...
 

AngieB

Banned
Was her serve ever any good or consistent? Much less DF's, more aces, etc..?
#MARIA's game began declining months before she had her shoulder surgery. Her serve was much more #consistent and she #double-faulted less before her injury. Not many tennis athletes have come back from the type of shoulder surgery she endured. Her ability to climb back into the top five and win #grand slam tournaments is the exception for that type of injury, not the norm.

#AngiesLyst
 

Vanhool

Legend
True. Like clockwork, Serena ups her intensity when she is a set and break down and then choke work starts.

It is not Serena 3.0 however. Compared to previous eras, no strong contenders. Lots of bits and pieces players. The one player who is consistent has the worst match up in history.
No it is Serena 3.0, especially for JJ. Used to be pushers had a shot at her, but Serena has reduced her errors and improved her fitness to hang in against them. I saw her win a 52 shot rally vs Wozzy. Must be demoralizing for them. Cornet has been able to wear her down (poor thing never gets any credit). She even got Serena to retire during one match. Serena was suffering some malady, but was up 6-5 in the first....an hour into the match... She probably couldn't bear the prospect of another 2 hours lol.
 

Vanhool

Legend
#MARIA's game began declining months before she had her shoulder surgery. Her serve was much more #consistent and she #double-faulted less before her injury. Not many tennis athletes have come back from the type of shoulder surgery she endured. Her ability to climb back into the top five and win #grand slam tournaments is the exception for that type of injury, not the norm.

#AngiesLyst
Hey welcome back and thanks for getting us back on topic. Kudos to Maria for hanging in there, it shows a very deep commitment and competitive fire. Respect.
 

The-Champ

Legend
how good? It was probably better but her groundstrokes are better today.


Conclusion:

Serena would have still beaten her for 11 straight years.
 

HRB

Hall of Fame
how good? It was probably better but her groundstrokes are better today.


Conclusion:

Serena would have still beaten her for 11 straight years.
Yes, thanks Captain Obvious...Serena would beat her, as she has 99% of the WTA field for well over 10 years now!

Guess what? There have been 2 pretty consistent players at the top last 10 years...Serena AND Maria. Is Maria a threat to Serena..NOPE. Is she a threat to the rest of the field..OBVIOUSLY!
 

La Grande

G.O.A.T.
#MARIA's game began declining months before she had her shoulder surgery. Her serve was much more #consistent and she #double-faulted less before her injury. Not many tennis athletes have come back from the type of shoulder surgery she endured. Her ability to climb back into the top five and win #grand slam tournaments is the exception for that type of injury, not the norm.

#AngiesLyst
Good analysis, thanks!
 
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