How good will Alcaraz be on grass compared to Nadal/Federer?

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How good will Alcaraz be on grass compared to Nadal/Federer, if Nadal/Federer are High Distinction?

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2008 = Nadal won Queens and Wimbledon, and beat Federer in the Wimbledon final in 5 sets.
2023 = Alcaraz won Queens and Wimbledon, and beat Djokovic in the Wimbledon final in 5 sets.

Difference is, Nadal also made Wimbledon finals in 2006 and 2007, with Federer winning both.
In stark contrast, Alcaraz had only played 6 matches on grass before 2023 (Wimbledon 2nd round in 2021, Wimbledon 4th round in 2022).
Alcaraz has untapped potential on grass, given his lack of experience.
Looks like his game is more suited to grass, certainly the shot-making aspect of his game, while on clay he's at his best when patient.
 
Nadal is not "high distinction" on grass, let alone off clay.

Alcaraz isn't winning another Wimbledon title. Djokovic, Sinner and future next gen will prevent him from doing that. He might even go the Nadal route of losing in the early rounds to players ranked outside the top 100.
 
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I think Alcarqz will achieve more than Nadal, there was an interview with Djokovic and Djokovic said Alcaraz is a complete player unlike Nadal. Probably both Alcaraz and Sinner play like Djokovic, except Alcaraz has more endurance
 
soldat said:
I think Alcarqz will achieve more than Nadal, there was an interview with Djokovic and Djokovic said Alcaraz is a complete player unlike Nadal. Probably both Alcaraz and Sinner play like Djokovic, except Alcaraz has more endurance
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Alcaraz plays like Djokovic?yeah sure that's why Alcaraz hits twice as many winners as Djokovic,smh!! Alcaraz is an agressive baseliner like Fed not a defensive player
 
Nope, Federer has no sliding backhand and does not hit like Alcaraz.

All the new gen of players play like Djokovic tbh
 
soldat said:
I think Alcarqz will achieve more than Nadal, there was an interview with Djokovic and Djokovic said Alcaraz is a complete player unlike Nadal. Probably both Alcaraz and Sinner play like Djokovic, except Alcaraz has more endurance
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And Djokovic has never had the volley skill level of Nadal and Alcaraz.
Even at Roland Garros last month, Nadal won 17 of 19 points at Net vs. Zverev.... and McEnroe has rated Nadal the best volleyer in the Top 10 more than once.
"Why is Nadal number one?" said McEnroe. "I think because he volleys better, I think better than Federer now."
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...reer-slam-says-mcenroe-idUKTRE67I07820100819/

soldat said:
Djokovic is also an aggressive player, probably you should check the forced error count + winner count for both players

Wrong again, I am your American father not your Serbian son
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Djokovic's goal in tiebreaker is to never miss, while Alcaraz goes for broke routinely.
They are opposites, in terms of risk, and also Djokovic relies on service winners more.

Kralingen said:
There’s a clear gap between Federer and Nadal in both facets tbh, I wouldn’t put them in the same tier in either.
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Nadal and Federer were LEVEL at 2007 and 2008 Wimbledon.
And 2006 the only thing stopping Nadal was experience and development.

soldat said:
Djokovic is above Nadal on grass so I think Alcaraz will definitely surpass Nadal
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Would be very funny to watch Djokovic trying to beat 2007 and 2008 Federer at Wimbledon...

InsuranceMan said:
Level wise or results wise?
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Level.

socallefty said:
Am I the only one who finds it odd to see the OP placing Nadal on the same tier as the 8-time Wimbledon champion Federer on grass?
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I think everybody finds it odd that you don't know what the word "level" means.

Rosstour said:
I can't keep track of all the banned accounts coming back and what angle they're using. lol

Nadal is an accomplished grass court player and I have no problem admitting that. I've even said starting years ago that he stood a better chance of winning Wimbledon than another HC slam. But he's not a grass GOAT and I would put him even or probably below Murray on grass
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I was "ALCARAZWON" but I requested that account be disabled, so I could re-register as ANTedwardsWON (named after my favorite basketball player).
GOAT isn't relevant to this thread, since we are talking about LEVEL, while GOAT is about titles, rankings and records.
No matter how many Wimbledon titles Djokovic wins, his level will never reach Nadal/Federer 2007-2008.
10 years later, when Nadal had lost most of his athleticism he still pushed Djokovic to 5 sets at 2018 Wimbledon, and Federer did the same at 2019 Wimbledon.

Arak said:
I will hold my judgment on Carlos until after this Wimbledon. I’m still not convinced he’s a grass player, but I like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Is Djokovic a grass player?
 
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soldat said:

Watch the full interview and learn about Alcaraz from the GOAT
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That proves nothing my Serbian son. Explain why Alcaraz's winners count were twice as many as Novak's in their Wimbledon matches. Carlos is an agressive baseliner like Fed not a defensive bot like Djokovic
 
NeutralFan said:
That proves nothing my Serbian son. Explain why Alcaraz's winners count were twice as many as Novak's in their Wimbledon matches. Carlos is an agressive baseliner like Fed not a defensive bot like Djokovic
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Djokovic is also an aggressive player, probably you should check the forced error count + winner count for both players

Wrong again, I am your American father not your Serbian son
 
soldat said:
Djokovic is also an aggressive player, probably you should check the forced error count + winner count for both players

Wrong again, I am your American father not your Serbian son
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35 winners in a freaking 5 sets doesn't make him an agressive baseliner ,Carlos doesn't have such low winners stats , Carlos is nothing like Djokovic, only big 3 he resembles is Fed , both are agressive baseliner. Naah ,you're American son of Serbian Descent.
 
Rosstour said:
I love how it's "Nadal/Federer"

One guy has 2 trophies, the other has 8, but yeah sure let's put them on the same level. Ridiculous

Carlos is probably close to Nadal's grass peak right now, and will have a long time to exceed his grass trophy haul
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I love it too lol, you know the OP is just in the 70th variation of his Nadal-hate account. He knew what this thread would bring.
 
MichaelNadal said:
I love it too lol, you know the OP is just in the 70th variation of his Nadal-hate account. He knew what this thread would bring.
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I can't keep track of all the banned accounts coming back and what angle they're using. lol

Nadal is an accomplished grass court player and I have no problem admitting that. I've even said starting years ago that he stood a better chance of winning Wimbledon than another HC slam. But he's not a grass GOAT and I would put him even or probably below Murray on grass
 
Rosstour said:
I can't keep track of all the banned accounts coming back and what angle they're using. lol

Nadal is an accomplished grass court player and I have no problem admitting that. I've even said starting years ago that he stood a better chance of winning Wimbledon than another HC slam. But he's not a grass GOAT and I would put him even or probably below Murray on grass
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Don't have an issue with that statement, but a lot of that has to do with Murray not having to play 06/07 Fed either
 
MichaelNadal said:
Don't have an issue with that statement, but a lot of that has to do with Murray not having to play 06/07 Fed either
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True. But Murray has like 8-9 titles on grass IIRC, I think Rafa has about half that.

And when Djoko surpasses Fed for 9-10 Wimbledon titles then Murray's win over him there will look better than Rafa's Finals against 06-08 Fed
 
Rosstour said:
True. But Murray has like 8-9 titles on grass IIRC, I think Rafa has about half that.

And when Djoko surpasses Fed for 9-10 Wimbledon titles then Murray's win over him there will look better than Rafa's Finals against 06-08 Fed
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MichaelNadal said:
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Just use TTW Logic. It isn't hard

Djoko will have more titles at Wimbledon when it's all over. That's gonna be enough for most people. So beating a 26yo Djoko on grass will be seen as the more impressive win than a 26yo Federer

They both have an additional Wimbledon win over a turkey, and Andy's is much more impressive bc Cilic went to 3 GS Fs and won 1, beating Fed on the way...Berd is no Cilic
 
Rosstour said:
Just use TTW Logic. It isn't hard

Djoko will have more titles at Wimbledon when it's all over. That's gonna be enough for most people. So beating a 26yo Djoko on grass will be seen as the more impressive win than a 26yo Federer

They both have an additional Wimbledon win over a turkey, and Andy's is much more impressive bc Cilic went to 3 GS Fs and won 1, beating Fed on the way...Berd is no Cilic
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Novak won't be better than peak Fed at Wimbledon for me but I won't argue if people feel that way either.
 
Am I the only one who finds it odd to see the OP placing Nadal on the same tier as the 8-time Wimbledon champion Federer on grass?
 
Rosstour said:
Just use TTW Logic. It isn't hard

Djoko will have more titles at Wimbledon when it's all over. That's gonna be enough for most people. So beating a 26yo Djoko on grass will be seen as the more impressive win than a 26yo Federer

They both have an additional Wimbledon win over a turkey, and Andy's is much more impressive bc Cilic went to 3 GS Fs and won 1, beating Fed on the way...Berd is no Cilic
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It will be kind of weird to think of anyone in history being better than a 24-26 year old Federer on grass, let alone someone from an adjacent generation. Hopefully it never comes to that, but your warning of the incoming glory hunters with their Wikipedia career stats tables is most likely warranted :(
 
NeutralFan said:
Alcaraz plays like Djokovic?yeah sure that's why Alcaraz hits twice as many winners as Djokovic,smh!! Alcaraz is an agressive baseliner like Fed not a defensive player
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He's a hyper aggressive player ala Fed, uses geometry in a peerless manner, has a more reliable backhand but a serve not yet close to being in the same ballpark as Fed.

But the Djokovic kinda influences are obvious too. He's the most successful player of all time after all.
 
Rosstour said:
Just use TTW Logic. It isn't hard

Djoko will have more titles at Wimbledon when it's all over. That's gonna be enough for most people. So beating a 26yo Djoko on grass will be seen as the more impressive win than a 26yo Federer

They both have an additional Wimbledon win over a turkey, and Andy's is much more impressive bc Cilic went to 3 GS Fs and won 1, beating Fed on the way...Berd is no Cilic
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But then Nadal-Murray H2H on grass can come into play as well. Nadal only lost 1 set combined in 3 meetings with Murray at Wimbledon
 
MichaelNadal said:
Don't have an issue with that statement, but a lot of that has to do with Murray not having to play 06/07 Fed either
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He played 2012 and 2015 Fed and still only managed one set combined. Now those were still very good versions of Fed but not on 06/07 level.
Now you could argue that a part of the reason Nadal was giving Fed hell even on grass was due to a match-up but than there's also say 2018 Wimbledon SF where Nadal went toe to toe with inform Novak on grass in one of the best matches I've seen (very underrated match IMO). Nadal is certainly not a bad match-up for Novak overall considering the latter's GOAT 2HBH and ROS.

I think Nadal was just able to reach a level Murray never could in slam matches, hard for me to put him over Nadal on any surface honestly. Depends on how much value you put in 2012 Olympics run (which was impressive) or his Queens titles I guess, but those just don't compare to Wimbledon performances for me.
 
I will hold my judgment on Carlos until after this Wimbledon. I’m still not convinced he’s a grass player, but I like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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