How I know Nadal is a good person

For the most part, our judgement of players' characters are based on very limited data. We mostly base it off a player's on-court actions or their comments during interviews.

But sometimes a specific action is so noteworthy that it really speaks to the core of a person's character. I am sure that Nadal is a good person because of what happened at the 2009 AO trophy ceremony. Federer was crying during his speech and couldn't finish it. He was obviously upset about losing a tough 5-setter, and perhaps wondering if his time at the top was permanently ending. But then Nadal goes over to Federer and gives him a hug. He tells Federer during his winner's speech that Roger is still the best. And then on top of it all he gives Federer another chance to finish his runner-up speech following Rafa's own winner's speech.

It really shows what a considerate and respectable human being Rafa is. Put ourselves in Rafa's shoes. You've just won your first hard court slam over your archrival in an emotional 5 sets. You must be feeling exhilaration of the first degree. But the player you just defeated is crying at his speech. It's an awkward situation for everyone - the trophy presenters, the fans, and Nadal. And yet despite his own joy at winning, Rafa finds the sympathy to comfort Federer in his time of sorrow. Rafa could've waited for an official to do something or perhaps just pat Federer on the back. But Rafa hugs Federer like someone comforting a friend in times of trouble. He reminds Federer that he is still the best during his winner's speech. And giving Federer another chance to finish his speech ensured that Roger didn't have to end his time on the podium in tears but give a normal runner-up speech. It was classiness to the highest degree. I was already a Nadal fan for years by that point, but what he did during that trophy ceremony convinced me of Nadal's greatness as a human being.

I like to think of that incident when Nadal and Federer fans are being ugly to each other on this board because it reminds me that Rafa and Roger are above the pettiness of their worst fans and ultimately that's what matters.
 
Sometimes Rafa is not as bad as his fans. His tennis may be ugly but he has shown on occasions his nicer side.

Rafa's fans will do a world of good if they start GOAT discussions as and when Nadal gets to 18 majors.
 
Very sentimental title. I'm sure Nadal is a decent guy. I think rooting against a guy or gal is ingrained into sports culture whether its against Federer, Nadal, Lebron, Peyton, Tiger or anyone else.

The greater the athlete the greater the love/hate. In the end Fedal will get old and we will move on to another 2 men to bicker about while injecting Fed/Nadal/Sampras into those conversations once again.
 
Very sentimental title. I'm sure Nadal is a decent guy. I think rooting against a guy or gal is ingrained into sports culture whether its against Federer, Nadal, Lebron, Peyton, Tiger or anyone else.

The greater the athlete the greater the love/hate. In the end Fedal will get old and we will move on to another 2 men to bicker about while injecting Fed/Nadal/Sampras into those conversations once again.

So true, so true.........i dread to think tho' that after Rafa/Fed retires, i'll be in the same fanbace as some Fedfans while we root for the same upstart......:oops:
Haha, can you imagine, me, Chico, 5555, mAYONAISE and fednad will be rooting for the same rookie :lol:
 
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Hater logic

Nadal takes 5 more seconds per point and is therefore the moonballing, poly-using, backhand abusing, cheating antichrist :lol:
 
I always thought Nadal looked like a genuine good guy.
Of course he's not perfect, sometimes he's a sore loser, sometimes he find excuses for his losses but on the whole he really looks like a guy with a great home education, really respectful and polite person, and not arrogant at all.

I guess in real life outside the courts he's simple and easy to approach compared to some other top players.
 
triforce you also forgot to remind something, the French open 2012 final, a naked *sshole came onto the court and first reaction of Nadal was to get close to the ball kid to protect him.
 
triforce you also forgot to remind something, the French open 2012 final, a naked *sshole came onto the court and first reaction of Nadal was to get close to the ball kid to protect him.

I agree that Rafa is not perfect. But nobody is. I'm sure even Saint Mother Teresea gossiped about somebody during her life time :-D

But Rafa showed what a genuine good guy he is at that trophy ceremony. It must be wonderful to have a friend like Rafa!
 
Sometimes Rafa is not as bad as his fans. His tennis may be ugly but he has shown on occasions his nicer side.

Rafa's fans will do a world of good if they start GOAT discussions as and when Nadal gets to 18 majors.

Are you trying to claim that Fed fans weren't discussing Fed breaking Sampras record ahead of time in 2008?????
 
Are you trying to claim that Fed fans weren't discussing Fed breaking Sampras record ahead of time in 2008?????

Fed was one short of Sampras by 2008 and had huge clay accomplishments to go with it.

The gap with Nadal as on date is still very huge, just not for Nadal's fan base.
 
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triforce you also forgot to remind something, the French open 2012 final, a naked *sshole came onto the court and first reaction of Nadal was to get close to the ball kid to protect him.

I forgot all about that. I remember when at the French Rafa stopped play, because a ballboy was stuck in the face (not his doing, these things happen) and had a nosebleed.
 
Nadal, peace be upon him, is so great that Nadal, peace be upon him, gets offended when players don't offer blessings of their own losing to his winning for Nadal, peace be upon him.
 
Fed was one short of Sampras by 2008 and had huge clay accomplishments to go with it.

The gap with Nadal as on date is still very huge, just not in Nadal's fan base.

But even you have to admit that with Rafa, it's doable. It may never happen, but it might...that's why some Fed fans are sooooo piiiassssy right now:)
 
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Fed was one short of Sampras by 2008 and had huge clay accomplishments to go with it.

The gap with Nadal as on date is still very huge, just not for Nadal's fan base.

"still very huge" yet Nadal haters get more and more stressed everytime Nadal wins a match in a grand slam, just read around since the Rosol match...
 
"still very huge" yet Nadal haters get more and more stressed everytime Nadal wins a match in a grand slam, just read around since the Rosol match...

The gap is as big as Hewitt and Murray's career combined. I will leave it to you to make a judgement to see whether a comparison on total achievements is warranted. I do understand if you make a comparison based on total years on tour.
 
The gap is as big as Hewitt and Murray's career combined. I will leave it to you to make a judgement to see whether a comparison on total achievements is warranted. I do understand if you make a comparison based on total years on tour.

Yeah but see the paradox ? If the gap was that huge why some Fed fans get more and more stressed when Nadal wins in grand slams ?
 
Fed was one short of Sampras by 2008 and had huge clay accomplishments to go with it.

The gap with Nadal as on date is still very huge, just not for Nadal's fan base.

Ah, but Fed wasn't equal, and you want Nadal to surpass Fed first! Seems a little hypocritical.

And those huge clay accomplishments didn't include the French at the time.

I do believe Fed fans were wondering in 2006 before French Open Final..........

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=81983&highlight=Federer+goat
 
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The gap is as big as Hewitt and Murray's career combined. I will leave it to you to make a judgement to see whether a comparison on total achievements is warranted. I do understand if you make a comparison based on total years on tour.

This isn't about Federer vs. Nadal. It's about Nadal's virtue as a human being. I did not want this thread to ever de-evolve into this.
 
So true, so true.........i dread to think tho' that after Rafa/Fed retires, i'll be in the same fanbace as some Fedfans while we root for the same upstart......:oops:
Haha, can you imagine, me, Chico, 5555, mAYONAISE and fednad will be rooting for the same rookie :lol:

I will find which rookie you are supporting and join a rival party.
After all this board shall have continuous entertainment !! :twisted::twisted:
lol......
 
I'm sure he's a good person, but I don't see this as something that proves it. Seriously, anyone would've done this. I mean, the guy is crying right next to you. Why wouldn't you comfor him? It's the only option you have? Do you have any idea how weird it would look if Nadal just stood next to him without giving any reaction? Besides, he's the winner. It's not hard to be nice when you've just won. It's how you handle your losses which really matter.

He tells Federer during his winner's speech that Roger is still the best.
He always says everyone is better than him. Again, it's not hard to be generous with complements after you've just won.

And then on top of it all he gives Federer another chance to finish his runner-up speech following Rafa's own winner's speech.
Okay that was really considerate of him, completely agree with this point.
 
I always thought Nadal looked like a genuine good guy.
Of course he's not perfect, sometimes he's a sore loser, sometimes he find excuses for his losses but on the whole he really looks like a guy with a great home education, really respectful and polite person, and not arrogant at all.

I guess in real life outside the courts he's simple and easy to approach compared to some other top players.
Well said.

I'd say the same for the top 4 at least. All decent chaps, maybe not perfect, may not say the nicest things about their opponents after a loss, but essentially very good human beings.
 
Sorry what?

All this crap in here is entirely OTT.

Guys, calm down, is this just me?

He was being a decent, normal human being as far as I'm seeing? Howmany times have we seen this from people in the past?

Federer at the 2012 Wimbledon trophy presentation? Djokovic at the 2013 US Open presentation? Djokovic at the Wimbledon 2013 presentation?

What about all the numerous, several hundreds of times Djokovic gives his opponent the point, when hawk-eye shows the ball landed in and the umpire calls to replay?

Seriously? Murray did the same thing against Verdasco at this year's french and Verdasco was throwing a tantrum.

It's called common decency. Something that is inherent in most of us human beings. Only degenerates lose this. So Nadal is not a degenerate. Shall we make a thread about all the others, just like him?

It's all interpretation. If Djokovic done this, it wouldn't quite be seen the same way. Many would see it as a contrived political move, however because Nadal has a relatively low IQ, is unassuming, cute and innocent... people take it as him being a remarkably decent human being. Absolute bollocks, I'm sorry, but it's bloody bollocks.
 
Another thing; do we only talk about Nadal and Federer on this forum? Never anything or anyone else? Seems all the threads are dominated by these two.

All only pop-tennis fans here?
 
For the most part, our judgement of players' characters are based on very limited data. We mostly base it off a player's on-court actions or their comments during interviews.

But sometimes a specific action is so noteworthy that it really speaks to the core of a person's character. I am sure that Nadal is a good person because of what happened at the 2009 AO trophy ceremony. Federer was crying during his speech and couldn't finish it. He was obviously upset about losing a tough 5-setter, and perhaps wondering if his time at the top was permanently ending. But then Nadal goes over to Federer and gives him a hug. He tells Federer during his winner's speech that Roger is still the best. And then on top of it all he gives Federer another chance to finish his runner-up speech following Rafa's own winner's speech.

It really shows what a considerate and respectable human being Rafa is. Put ourselves in Rafa's shoes. You've just won your first hard court slam over your archrival in an emotional 5 sets. You must be feeling exhilaration of the first degree. But the player you just defeated is crying at his speech. It's an awkward situation for everyone - the trophy presenters, the fans, and Nadal. And yet despite his own joy at winning, Rafa finds the sympathy to comfort Federer in his time of sorrow. Rafa could've waited for an official to do something or perhaps just pat Federer on the back. But Rafa hugs Federer like someone comforting a friend in times of trouble. He reminds Federer that he is still the best during his winner's speech. And giving Federer another chance to finish his speech ensured that Roger didn't have to end his time on the podium in tears but give a normal runner-up speech. It was classiness to the highest degree. I was already a Nadal fan for years by that point, but what he did during that trophy ceremony convinced me of Nadal's greatness as a human being.

I like to think of that incident when Nadal and Federer fans are being ugly to each other on this board because it reminds me that Rafa and Roger are above the pettiness of their worst fans and ultimately that's what matters.

Spectacular posts. There are many, many, many other examples just like this. Most of Nadal's fans, and there are millions, around the world love him for reasons that have nothing to do with the "GOAT" psychosis that goes on on this site.

Nadal strikes me as an extremely insightful and intelligent person. It's true that he's struggles at times to find nuance in English, but that doesn't take away from the thoughtfulness you can hear in his answers.

My favorite example akin to the one the OP mentions, is when some fan ran onto the court (IIRC it was after the match was over and Nadal was changing his shirt at his chair) and wanted to hug Nadal and whisper something into his ear. In the split second before he was dragged away, Nadal smiled and when the security grabbed the man, Nadal quickly made a gesture as if to say "take it easy/it's okay" etc. In a post-Seles world, a fan on the court is a scary situation. Anyway, it made me proud to be a Nadal fan. His humanity and sense of decency were on full display.

Nadal fans seem to generally love the man, consider him some type of role model, hero, exemplar of determination, grit, etc. In other words, an inspiration to all of us in our hum-drum lives.

3,2,1 until the mods delete this post. I've learned you can create 87 threads bashing Nadal, but if you create a thread that speaks lovingly and admiringly of the man, the Nadal haters will come in to the thread, do their thing, and the mods will say that the thread is a "flame war."
 
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Nastall was in front of thousands of people and on national and international television.

So was Federer, but that didn't stop him from breaking down in a psychotic fit of tearful hysteria, embarrassing himself and the cronies around him while ruining the Champion's triumph, now did it?:lol:
 
Where is Chico? Where IS Chico??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_-isKzt4O4&feature=kp

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So true, so true.........i dread to think tho' that after Rafa/Fed retires, i'll be in the same fanbace as some Fedfans while we root for the same upstart......:oops:
Haha, can you imagine, me, Chico, 5555, mAYONAISE and fednad will be rooting for the same rookie :lol:

I don't know about Djok and Fed fans, but us Nadal fans will be rooting for the rookie who takes the most time between points , claims the most injuries and takes the most MTOs :twisted:
 
I don't know about Djok and Fed fans, but us Nadal fans will be rooting for the rookie who takes the most time between points , claims the most injuries and takes the most MTOs :twisted:

Do not forget the picking thing. Our future generations need lesson in hygiene too !
 
this.

10 methodsofcleaningyoursoulafterdoingsomuchgamemanship!

LOL

Easy to be humble after you win. What happens to him when he loses or down in a match. Why does he resort to gamesmanship?
Not so difficult to give sugar coated rehearsed answers in press conferences...His real character comes out on court.
 
Sorry what?

All this crap in here is entirely OTT.

Guys, calm down, is this just me?

He was being a decent, normal human being as far as I'm seeing? Howmany times have we seen this from people in the past?

Federer at the 2012 Wimbledon trophy presentation? Djokovic at the 2013 US Open presentation? Djokovic at the Wimbledon 2013 presentation?

What about all the numerous, several hundreds of times Djokovic gives his opponent the point, when hawk-eye shows the ball landed in and the umpire calls to replay?

Seriously? Murray did the same thing against Verdasco at this year's french and Verdasco was throwing a tantrum.

It's called common decency. Something that is inherent in most of us human beings. Only degenerates lose this. So Nadal is not a degenerate. Shall we make a thread about all the others, just like him?

It's all interpretation. If Djokovic done this, it wouldn't quite be seen the same way. Many would see it as a contrived political move, however because Nadal has a relatively low IQ, is unassuming, cute and innocent... people take it as him being a remarkably decent human being. Absolute bollocks, I'm sorry, but it's bloody bollocks.

By what measure did you come to this conclusion?
 
Yeah, Nadal is a good person off court. Too bad he is the opposite on court.

If it were the opposite, I wouldn't mind. Mac was a *****, but at least he was fair play on court.

I guess people tolerate Rafa as long as he beats Fed and wins.
That brings also money to tennis. So, people will always choose money over morals.
 
So was Federer, but that didn't stop him from breaking down in a psychotic fit of tearful hysteria, embarrassing himself and the cronies around him while ruining the Champion's triumph, now did it?:lol:

Are you referring to the 2006 celebration, after Federer won the title?
 
"Here…..use my tissue…."

So was Federer, but that didn't stop him from breaking down in a psychotic fit of tearful hysteria, embarrassing himself and the cronies around him

while ruining the Champion's triumph, now did it?

:lol:
I don't know about ruining, but he did 'rain' on the Champion's parade figuratively and literally with his out-of-control showering of tears - such bawling! Yet the Champion showed his true salt by putting his own Grand Slam-winning moments of exhaltation aside and instead attended to his sobbing, defeated opponent with a show of sensitivity and comforting support.

As ferocious a competitor as he is, that moment revealed Nadal's true character as a person. He impressively showed a mature sense of "big picture" balance and perspective that's quite lost on the more strident wings of both the Federer and Nadal fanboy cliques. What a fine lesson in sportsmanship, manners, generosity of spirit and humanity Nadal presented, a lesson many fanboys here could stand to learn.
 
For the most part, our judgement of players' characters are based on very limited data. We mostly base it off a player's on-court actions or their comments during interviews.

But sometimes a specific action is so noteworthy that it really speaks to the core of a person's character. I am sure that Nadal is a good person because of what happened at the 2009 AO trophy ceremony. Federer was crying during his speech and couldn't finish it. He was obviously upset about losing a tough 5-setter, and perhaps wondering if his time at the top was permanently ending. But then Nadal goes over to Federer and gives him a hug. He tells Federer during his winner's speech that Roger is still the best. And then on top of it all he gives Federer another chance to finish his runner-up speech following Rafa's own winner's speech.

It really shows what a considerate and respectable human being Rafa is. Put ourselves in Rafa's shoes. You've just won your first hard court slam over your archrival in an emotional 5 sets. You must be feeling exhilaration of the first degree. But the player you just defeated is crying at his speech. It's an awkward situation for everyone - the trophy presenters, the fans, and Nadal. And yet despite his own joy at winning, Rafa finds the sympathy to comfort Federer in his time of sorrow. Rafa could've waited for an official to do something or perhaps just pat Federer on the back. But Rafa hugs Federer like someone comforting a friend in times of trouble. He reminds Federer that he is still the best during his winner's speech. And giving Federer another chance to finish his speech ensured that Roger didn't have to end his time on the podium in tears but give a normal runner-up speech. It was classiness to the highest degree. I was already a Nadal fan for years by that point, but what he did during that trophy ceremony convinced me of Nadal's greatness as a human being.

I like to think of that incident when Nadal and Federer fans are being ugly to each other on this board because it reminds me that Rafa and Roger are above the pettiness of their worst fans and ultimately that's what matters.

You are not a real Zelda fan, and if you are, you probably like Ganondorf. No way any good person likes Nadal. It does not compute.
 
Nadal is a great human being. It's been a pleasure watching him all these years. It's even more fun than enjoying the tears of Federer obsessors :lol:
 
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