How long will the Toni Nadal - FAA partnership last ?

ND-13

Hall of Fame
FAA lost to Garin in first round at MC and is already a set down against the veteran Musetti in first match at Barcelona

How much time do we give for this partnership ?

Don’t know whether Toni is useless or you can only do so much with FAA .

It is early days but these are not some elite competition
 

Gerco

Rookie
FAA is hitting more loopy/spinny shots against Musetti, seems to be working well. Also Musetti appears to have an injury so one can´t tell...
 

Devtennis01

Legend
Well it only came about because FAA trains at the academy. It's more a business decision than a best fit one. I think it'll go on as long as FAA wants it, too, or until the academy produces a big prospect for Toni to take on. So, I think FAA will go with it until he sees how Nadal helps him on hard courts which are a better surface for him than Clay anyway. So, let's see how the US hardcourt season plays out for him.
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
Well it only came about because FAA trains at the academy. It's more a business decision than a best fit one. I think it'll go on as long as FAA wants it, too, or until the academy produces a big prospect for Toni to take on. So, I think FAA will go with it until he sees how Nadal helps him on hard courts which are a better surface for him than Clay anyway. So, let's see how the US hardcourt season plays out for him.
FAA doesn't train at Rafa's academy. He spent there only a week in December.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
Coaching a genius is totally different to coaching a Felix.
Uncle Toni cannot be expected to know how to coach without Rafa.
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
Coaching a genius is totally different to coaching a Felix.
Uncle Toni cannot be expected to know how to coach without Rafa.
But...I don’t think Felix has to become as good as Rafa Nadal for the partnership to be considered a success.
 

NADALalot

Hall of Fame
But...I don’t think Felix has to become as good as Rafa Nadal for the partnership to be considered a success.
Yeah that wasn't my point.
Its very likely that Nadal was going to be a legend no matter who coached him.
In fact Nadal may have been better if he used his preferred hand for serving.
Uncle Toni may be clueless, and incapable of helping Felix, or helping anyone....
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
Yeah that wasn't my point.
Its very likely that Nadal was going to be a legend no matter who coached him.
In fact Nadal may have been better if he used his preferred hand for serving.
Uncle Toni may be clueless, and incapable of helping Felix, or helping anyone....
I understand your point, and I disagree with it. Felix may not be a "genius" player, but he still has plenty of talent and will also very likely be successful with or without Toni. So either way, it's not like Toni will be exposed as some fraud unless you believe he will actively hinder Felix, and there's literally no reason to expect that to happen.

The way you've framed the player-coach relationship between Rafa and Toni, we can't even be sure that their partnership was successful, yet it pretty obviously was.
 

Firstservingman

Talk Tennis Guru
to be honest, taskmaster toni wasn't a particularly good coach even of rafa in my opinion. he might have been helpful in his early development but i think moya is better in terms of maximising his potential.

i wouldn't expect much from this at all
 

James P

Legend
Felix has the talent to make this work. He's clearly missing something, something is off in his mental game, but he's physically gifted and skilled enough to be top 3 player. Maybe Toni can fix whatever that thing is that he's missing.
 

blablavla

Legend
Well it only came about because FAA trains at the academy. It's more a business decision than a best fit one. I think it'll go on as long as FAA wants it, too, or until the academy produces a big prospect for Toni to take on. So, I think FAA will go with it until he sees how Nadal helps him on hard courts which are a better surface for him than Clay anyway. So, let's see how the US hardcourt season plays out for him.
aren't there some young prospects with Nadal as their last name in the juniors / aspiring contenders in the cooking?
why not take them and coach to the level of Rafa?
 

Druss

Hall of Fame
Would Toni Nadal attend a FAA vs Rafa Nadal match at RG? That would be sooo awkward, uncle Toni cheering for and encouraging Felix to beat Rafa.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
to be honest, taskmaster toni wasn't a particularly good coach even of rafa in my opinion. he might have been helpful in his early development but i think moya is better in terms of maximising his potential.

i wouldn't expect much from this at all
Honestly I agree. If he had went to Moya in 2011 at 25 years old instead of 2017 at 30+ years old, he likely would’ve won even more.

Toni’s outdated tactics ran Rafa into the ground against Novak those few years and indirectly caused a lot of avoidable injuries that haven’t been an issue since Moya joined. The only problem since Moya joined is that Rafa is indeed getting older but tactically, it could’ve have panned out better
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
Would Toni Nadal attend a FAA vs Rafa Nadal match at RG? That would be sooo awkward, uncle Toni cheering for and encouraging Felix to beat Rafa.
I think he's said he wouldn't sit in either player's box should they face each other
 

FRV4

Semi-Pro
Once everyone realizes Toni Nadal only succeeds in coaching insanely talented ppl (relative to other insanely talented ppl) it’s over.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
At what point do we stop making excuses for Auger-Aliassime's losses as 'upsets' and start viewing them as expected of a Top 50 player who is not fulfilling his potential and has serious mental issues?
 
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