How many Australian Open titles did Djokovic realistically stop Federer from winning ?

[TsitsiBH]

2008 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Tsonga in the final ?

2011 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2016 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2020 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Thiem in the final ?

 

[WeekendTennisHack]

probably Would have won 2011. 2008 he had mono, looked horrible no chance. 2016 was getting quite old, 2020 was injured.

 

[Biotic]

Surely 2008 and 2011. Possibly 2016.

Fraud has won more than he should have anyway.

 

[Rosstour]

Feels like he'd have had a better than even chance in all of them.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I’d say 3. Thiem would beat 2020 Fed as he wasn’t fit. The others though I think Fed would have won. 2016 is potentially questionable but he put up a better fight against Djokovic than Murray did. Fed tended to have the edge over Murray in slam finals so I see him winning 2011 and 2016 finals. Tsonga in 2008 would have been interesting but feel Fed would have still got it done. Outside of peaking djokodal, Fed was ruthless and too good in slam finals against everyone else.

 

[DSH]

I’d say 3. Thiem would beat 2020 Fed as he wasn’t fit. The others though I think Fed would have won. 2016 is potentially questionable but he put up a better fight against Djokovic than Murray did. Fed tended to have the edge over Murray in slam finals so I see him winning 2011 and 2016 finals. Tsonga in 2008 would have been interesting but feel Fed would have still got it done. Outside of peaking djokodal, Fed was ruthless and too good in slam finals against everyone else.

You mean 'mono' Federer would have been enough to beat peak Tsonga?

 

[TheNachoMan]

I back Fed against Murray in nearly every final. Sorry, Andy.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

You mean 'mono' Federer would have been enough to beat peak Tsonga?

Probably hardest to call. Tsonga might have done it but he could still choked it away being 1st slam final.

 

[ghostofMecir]

2008 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Tsonga in the final ?

Yes.

2011 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

Yes.

2016 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

Yes.

2020 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Thiem in the final ?

Yes.


Maybe loses 1 due to very old age.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

2008 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Tsonga in the final ?

2011 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2016 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2020 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Thiem in the final ?

Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

IF Federer beats THOSE Djokovics, why would he not beat inferior players?

 

[nolefam_2024]

I think 2011 and 2008 are almost a lock for Roger. 2016 AO Rog would be favored vs Andy but slams aren't decided on paper. I saw both Rog and Andy at the AO and Andy could ask Rog some questions.

Tsonga and 2011 Andy have no hopes of beating Rog.

 

[Tennfan123]

Would be 24>22>19

 

[abmk]

2008 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Tsonga in the final ?

2011 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2016 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2020 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Thiem in the final ?

11 and 16, fed's the favorite vs Murray
20 - considered fed was injured, no.
08 - could go either way. I'd back tsonga tbh if I had to pick.

 

[DSH]

Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

IF Federer beats THOSE Djokovics, why would he not beat inferior players?

That is depends on if he had beaten him in straight sets than in 5 sets; he would not have beaten Thiem in the 2020 Australian Open final anyway.

 

[rigged]

Surely 2008 and 2011. Possibly 2016.

Fraud has won more than he should have anyway.

Feel like all of them won more than they should've (except Nadal's RG titles).

 

[Technology Ruined Tennis]

Less than the switch to Plexi did.

 

[jl809]

To beat Djoker he would have had to have been playing better than the level we saw IRL ofc, but if the question is whether his SF level IRL would be enough to beat Djoker’s opponent in the final, I’d say

1. Yes just about
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No

 

[abmk]

Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

IF Federer beats THOSE Djokovics, why would he not beat inferior players?

 

[Hitman]

Federer wins 08, 11 and 16. 20 is the questionable one.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Federer wins 08, 11 and 16. 20 is the questionable one.

No way he beats Thiem.

 

[Hitman]

No way he beats Thiem.

Thiem in slams finals.....you just don't know.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I back Fed against Murray in nearly every final. Sorry, Andy.

Yeah, I can't give Murray any of them against Federer. The match he did win wasn't final and maybe injuries were being dealt with, even though if you're playing you're fit is something I sign up for, even if it isn't 100% true. Guys going out there playing with dislocated kneecaps and so on.

 

[abmk]

Tsonga absolutely crushed Nadal in AO 08 semi.
Took 1st set vs djoko in the final and nearly pushed it to a 5th. (had BP at 5 all in the 4th set)
Fed had issues thanks to mono - showed up clearly vs Tipsy (10-8 in the 5th set) and djoko (9 out of 10 games lost from 5-3 in 1st set to 1-5 in 2nd set)

People confidently predicting fed of AO 08 beating that tsonga are just under-rating Tsonga IMO.

 

[Biotic]

Feel like all of them won more than they should've (except Nadal's RG titles).

Lol no

 

[Hitman]

Tsonga absolutely crushed Nadal in AO 08 semi.
Took 1st set vs djoko in the final and nearly pushed it to a 5th. (had BP at 5 all in the 4th set)
Fed had issues thanks to mono - showed up clearly vs Tipsy (10-8 in the 5th set) and djoko (9 out of 10 games lost from 5-3 in 1st set to 1-5 in 2nd set)

People confidently predicting fed of AO 08 beating that tsonga are just under-rating Tsonga IMO.

Gonzalez crushed Nadal the year before also, and Federer took him out. Yes, Federer had mono, but Tsonga in his first slam final is still questionable, especially against the experience of Federer. Also in the 08 final, he started to fade half way through, it was clear who was winning that final once Djokovic levelled the match IMO.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Gonzalez crushed Nadal the year before also, and Federer took him out. Yes, Federer had mono, but Tsonga in his first slam final is still questionable, especially against the experience of Federer. Also in the 08 final, he started to fade half way through, it was clear who was winning that final once Djokovic levelled the match IMO.

I agree. We also got to factor in how ruthless Fed was against the field outside prime/peak djokodal. I feel Fed would have overcome tsonga but it may have went 4 or 5 sets. Tsonga probably would start well against Fed too but I feel Fed woukd have came back strong like Djoko did.

Back then he was so dominant outside clay and virtually winning everything.

 

[Hitman]

I agree. We also got to factor in how ruthless Fed was against the field outside prime/peak djokodal. I feel Fed would have overcome tsonga but it may have went 4 or 5 sets. Tsonga probably would start well against Fed too but I feel Fed woukd have came back strong like Djoko did.

Back then he was so dominant outside clay and virtually winning everything.

Tsonga's level against Nadal was insane, but you could see the drop in the final. He was unable to keep it going, Djokovic played within himself, but nothing close to what he showed also against Federer. Federer with his incredible experience would have figured a way out, at that point Fed was not losing slam final to anyone outside of Nadal at RG, he would have utmost belief in getting through.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Tsonga's level against Nadal was insane, but you could see the drop in the final. He was unable to keep it going, Djokovic played within himself, but nothing close to what he showed also against Federer. Federer with his incredible experience would have figured a way out, at that point Fed was not losing slam final to anyone outside of Nadal at RG, he would have utmost belief in getting through.

I agree. Nadal wasn’t at his peak on hard courts then. Whereas Fed was and I just feel he’d have found a way too. It might have went 5 though but backing Fed on this one.

 

[Hitman]

I agree. Nadal wasn’t at his peak on hard courts then. Whereas Fed was and I just feel he’d have found a way too. It might have went 5 though but backing Fed on this one.

Remember, at that point, Fed still had his aura fully intact. The first crack came at the hands of Djokovic in the semi, but if he gets through that, he will be up for the fight with Tsonga. Tsonga to me peaked in the semis, and it showed in the final.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Remember, at that point, Fed still had his aura fully intact. The first crack came at the hands of Djokovic in the semi, but if he gets through that, he will be up for the fight with Tsonga. Tsonga to me peaked in the semis, and it showed in the final.

Exactly the same thing happened with Murray as us open 2008. Murray peaked and took out Nadal who was on a roll after French open, Wimbledon and Olympics, etc. Many thought Murray could win it but Fed came out in vintage form and swept through the match in straights. At that point Fed had his aura over everyone not named Nadal.

 

[Hitman]

Exactly the same thing happened with Murray as us open 2008. Murray peaked and took out Nadal who was on a roll after French open, Wimbledon and Olympics, etc. Many thought Murray could win it but Fed came out in vintage form and swept through the match in straights. At that point Fed had his aura over everyone not named Nadal.

He had it over Nadal also at W during that particular point in time, it basically just Nadal at RG that was the different story. That's why I don't think Tsonga was breaking it at AO 2008 if they played in the final, I just think Fed's belief would see him through.

 

[abmk]

Gonzalez crushed Nadal the year before also, and Federer took him out. Yes, Federer had mono, but Tsonga in his first slam final is still questionable, especially against the experience of Federer. Also in the 08 final, he started to fade half way through, it was clear who was winning that final once Djokovic levelled the match IMO.

Fed of AO 07 >>> fed of AO 08. First one is arguably top AO for fed, 2nd one is not even prime level or top 7 (04-07, 09-10, 12).
Tsonga could have taken it to a 5th set vs Djoko had he converted on BP late in 4th set.
You can say tsonga is questionable, but so is Federer. He was taken to 10-8 in the 5th by Tipsy. Delpo took out a significantly better fed in USO final a year later. So tsonga could very well beat AO 08 fed. Of course fed could just about prevail as well due to experience /mental factor. Point is fed 's level wasn't good enough to be that confident in him winning vs tsonga.

 

[Fabresque]

‘08, yeah.

‘11, I probably back him vs Murray so yes

‘16, IDK if I totally back him against peak Murray, he has a mental edge but it’s tight.

‘20, no real shot I don’t think. Thiem was definitely superior.

2 for sure, 50/50 for 3 but can’t see 4.

 

[DSH]

‘08, yeah.

‘11, I probably back him vs Murray so yes

‘16, IDK if I totally back him against peak Murray, he has a mental edge but it’s tight.

‘20, no real shot I don’t think. Thiem was definitely superior.

2 for sure, 50/50 for 3 but can’t see 4.

Probably?
Murray played at a deplorable level that final of the 2011 Australian Open.

 

[BGod]

2011 & 2016 are high probables with no offense to Murray.

 

[ForehandCross]

2008 he wins in a tough match. 2011 he might win. 2016 THE GREAT KNIGHT won't be denied.

2020 timothy sends the one legged grand pa to early retirement with two bagels.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

Obviously he wouldn't have won in 2020 and I think Tsonga would have beaten him in 2008. He would have probably won in 2011 and possibly in 2016, so i'm going with 2 titles.

 

[D.Nalby12]

2011 and 16. Monofed wasn't impressive at all. iirc Tipsa almost defeated him. So Tsonga would have been tougher customer..

 

[ImmorTAL Big 3]

1 Certain,2 doubt,1 surely no
2011 is certain
2008 and 2016 are doubtfull.I think Murray is greately underestimated.His 2016 was at his best form and i would say that IMO he would've be even favourite.
2008 i think he would've probably win it no matter Tsonga level just Rog can raise a level in Big matches that Tsonga cannot reach.
2020 Surely he shouldn't win it.However after watching the Mugfest known as 2020 US Open final where my eyes bleeds to the 2 players level probably still Rog would've got some chance.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

That is depends on if he had beaten him in straight sets than in 5 sets; he would not have beaten Thiem in the 2020 Australian Open final anyway.

Thiem was extremely lucky that tournament

 

[Hitman]

Fed of AO 07 >>> fed of AO 08. First one is arguably top AO for fed, 2nd one is not even prime level or top 7 (04-07, 09-10, 12).
Tsonga could have taken it to a 5th set vs Djoko had he converted on BP late in 4th set.
You can say tsonga is questionable, but so is Federer. He was taken to 10-8 in the 5th by Tipsy. Delpo took out a significantly better fed in USO final a year later. So tsonga could very well beat AO 08 fed. Of course fed could just about prevail as well due to experience /mental factor. Point is fed 's level wasn't good enough to be that confident in him winning vs tsonga.

Federer wasn't losing finals at that point to anyone outside of Nadal at RG. In the final, he would still have had the aura, especially if he had beat in form Djokovic in the semis. Tsonga's level against Rafa was never to be seen again, he played well in the final, but both Djokovic and Tsonga were better in the semis respectively.

 

[thrust]

YesTR
Yes
Yes
Yes

IF Federer beats THOSE Djokovics, why would he not beat inferior players?

TRUE- Roger would have won 3 of those AO, at least.

 

[platypus50]

2008 - Yes, he beats Tsonga
2011 - Yes, he beats Murray
2016 - Yes, he beats Murray
2020 - No, he loses to Thiem

 

[abmk]

Federer wasn't losing finals at that point to anyone outside of Nadal at RG. In the final, he would still have had the aura, especially if he had beat in form Djokovic in the semis. Tsonga's level against Rafa was never to be seen again, he played well in the final, but both Djokovic and Tsonga were better in the semis respectively.

I think we're assuming a Djokovic walkover here and federer's level to be what we actually saw in AO 08.
Of course if fed was playing well enough to beat djoko at AO 08, he'd beat tsonga as well.

 

[Lauren_Girl']

2008 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Tsonga in the final ?

2011 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2016 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Murray in the final ?

2020 : If he defeats Djokovic in semis, does Federer beat Thiem in the final ?

2008: NO
2011: YES
2016: 50-50
2020: NO

So, 1 or 2.

 

[mehdimike]

Exactly the same thing happened with Murray as us open 2008. Murray peaked and took out Nadal who was on a roll after French open, Wimbledon and Olympics, etc. Many thought Murray could win it but Fed came out in vintage form and swept through the match in straights. At that point Fed had his aura over everyone not named Nadal.

I have seen Murray Vs Nadal at USO 2008 and it was clear that Nadal was moving like a zombie. Was he injured at that tourney or it was just some fatigue?!

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I have seen Murray Vs Nadal at USO 2008 and it was clear that Nadal was moving like a zombie. Was he injured at that tourney or it was just some fatigue?!

To be fair that’s true. Nadal had 1 hell of a run from clay season to us open in 08. He won so much that maybe did catch up with him physically a bit. He won olympics in China that year too.

However, Murray was awesome that match and Nadal and that point didn’t quite have feds HC aura. It didn’t take much longer for him to find it though.

 

[Chanwan]

No way he beats Thiem.

Never underestimate Thiem's ability to lose a big match though. But yeah, Fed was injured

 

[Chanwan]

The answer is 2-4. Fed wins vs Muzz in slam matches, period. Especially finals. And 100 % certain in 2011.

Tsonga with mono - 50-50. Could win on aura
Thiem while being injured, 50-50. Thiem is great at choking

 

[Unseeded Player]

Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes

IF Federer beats THOSE Djokovics, why would he not beat inferior players?

It's not guarantee but he would be favorite in the first 3... 2020 considering his knee, Thiem would have advantage.