How many more GrandSlams after 22

[Kralingen]

This is really funny. Nadal should be 2nd favourite only behind Djokovic, like 2.5/1 Djokovic 3/1 Nadal.

Man, even that is a dumb line. Nadal has won the USO more recently than Djokovic has anyways.

Djokovic is currently legally barred from entering the United States. Biden and Kamala are not going to drop the whole vaccine mandate for a Serbian tennis player.

There is about a 1% chance he plays the US Open and that 1% chance is that he gets vaccinated.

So what we have here is a favorite in Djokovic who literally will not play the US Open, a 2nd favorite in Medvedev who is Nadal's PIGEON and will roll over for his daddy when the time comes, and an injured Zverev.

Alcaraz is a special talent and I could see him beating Rafa dont get me wrong. But at 9-1 Rafa is hilariously undervalued.

He's essentially being placed as the 4th or 5th betting favorite despite holding 2 Slams and going 23-1 on HC this year. It's actually ridiculous.

 

[holy tennis]

After USO 2019 I said #Nadal4More, so considered 23 to be the finishing point, but now I think even 24 is not the limit. If foot treatment works he could be on 24 in 3 months.

Interestingly, without COVID Nadal would most likely sit on 23 already, and Djokovic would have 21.

 

[Deleted member 758560]

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[tennis24x7]

4-6. I think he wins CYGS this year, French&USO next year, then French/Olympics in 2024.

No he is not winning CYGS that ship has sailed long back.

 

[Kralingen]

No he is not winning CYGS that ship has sailed long back.

Really? Which Slam did he lose this year exactly?

Please let me know, because in reality world he has won the first 2 Slams and is still firmly in contention for CYGS.

Not sure what reality you may be living in, but I am interested to find out.

 

[holy tennis]

Man, even that is a dumb line. Nadal has won the USO more recently than Djokovic has anyways.

Djokovic is currently legally barred from entering the United States. Biden and Kamala are not going to drop the whole vaccine mandate for a Serbian tennis player.

There is about a 1% chance he plays the US Open and that 1% chance is that he gets vaccinated.

So what we have here is a favorite in Djokovic who literally will not play the US Open, a 2nd favorite in Medvedev who is Nadal's PIGEON and will roll over for his daddy when the time comes, and an injured Zverev.

Alcaraz is a special talent and I could see him beating Rafa dont get me wrong. But at 9-1 Rafa is hilariously undervalued.

He's essentially being placed as the 4th or 5th betting favorite despite holding 2 Slams and going 23-1 on HC this year. It's actually ridiculous.

The disrespect for Nadal from all kinds of predictors, from casual fans to Wilander, has always been ridiculous. I recently thought about what was the narrative going into RG in all previous years since 2010 (can’t remember further as I didn’t watch) and the fact is, he was portrayed as an underdog EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Even in 2018 there were a lot of talks of Thiem or perhaps Zverev beating him because Nadal is very old and won’t last in BO5 (lol). Perhaps the least unsure the public was about Nadal winning RG is 2021, ironically. It has got something to do with people forgetting how God-like Nadal is at RG in a year time, because when the gap was 8 months between 2020 and 2021, he got much less disrespect.

 

[DSH]

Given that Rafa is an insulting 8-1 to win Wimbledon and a truly hilarious 9-1 to win the USO I might actually be able to buy a brand new Camry. If I could have parlayed these though, Lambo city.

Do you know which was the odds for Nadal to be champion of RG 2022 after his defeat in Rome against Shapovalov and his subsequent interview, and even the day of the draw where it became known that he was going to face Djokovic in the quarterfinals?

 

[DSH]

I say 2 more providing the foot procedure works. If he plays the next 6 (till the end of 2023) I say 2.

Sensible man is worth two.

 

[DSH]

Like Jack Bauer, I think Nadal could go to 24, which would be crazy.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Depends on how the treatment he’s currently getting for his foot goes. I had him finishing with 22-23 schlems back in 2019. If all goes well I could see another 2-3.

I had him finishing with 24 possible, but things are very different now. First is the foot and physical toll. Those are huge barriers to want to overcome. I say want because while I think Rafa could do the work to make another comeback run, the second thing that changed is just how comfortable and happy Nadal is in other things in life. Seeing 10x's more picture with family, other activities, events, and such. I mean, I am sure he has always done these things, but usually the biggest focus was certainly tennis. Now, at least to me, not so much. So he just simply may only rehab enough to continue his quality of life, but not to be at the highest level of tennis.


So barring not being able to, or not wanting to compete any more. I will think he still could hit 24 if he goes for another year.

 

[tennis24x7]

Really? Which Slam did he lose this year exactly?

Please let me know, because in reality world he has won the first 2 Slams and is still firmly in contention for CYGS.

Not sure what reality you may be living in, but I am interested to find out.

No Really? where did I say he lost any slam this year? Nadal has never been serious about Wimbledon, even if he gets a bad fart he drops from Wimbledon.

 

[SeeItHitIt]

Stick a fork in his foot. Or is that a needle?

 

[Mustard]

The disrespect for Nadal from all kinds of predictors, from casual fans to Wilander, has always been ridiculous. I recently thought about what was the narrative going into RG in all previous years since 2010 (can’t remember further as I didn’t watch) and the fact is, he was portrayed as an underdog EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Even in 2018 there were a lot of talks of Thiem or perhaps Zverev beating him because Nadal is very old and won’t last in BO5 (lol). Perhaps the least unsure the public was about Nadal winning RG is 2021, ironically. It has got something to do with people forgetting how God-like Nadal is at RG in a year time, because when the gap was 8 months between 2020 and 2021, he got much less disrespect.

Nadal likes being the underdog, so all the better if pundits and even bookies buy into that psychology. Every match for Nadal is a job that he has to do, points/games/sets/match to win.

 

[holy tennis]

Nadal likes being the underdog, so all the better if pundits and even bookies buy into that psychology. Every match for Nadal is a job that he has to do, points/games/sets/match to win.

I’m not sure about this. Nadal is a very, very good frontrunner. Can’t prove it, but I feel he has significantly less losses after being up a set than Djokovic and Federer, especially at Slams.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

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[Mustard]

I’m not sure about this. Nadal is a very, very good frontrunner. Can’t prove it, but I feel he has significantly less losses after being up a set than Djokovic and Federer, especially at Slams.

I was talking more about going into a match, rather than coming back from 2 sets down and stuff like that. Nadal doesn't talk himself up as though he'll easily beat a much lower ranked player.

 

[prosperned]

24 is a safeish bet should the procedure work.

But I pray to god that Wimbledon is one of the slam wins. And if Djoko really isn’t at Australia 23 then have that be the other.

14 FO, 3 AO, 3 Wimby, 5 US would be perfect to round at 25. Big 3 slams coming up

 

[DSH]

24 is a safeish bet should the procedure work.

But I pray to god that Wimbledon is one of the slam wins. And if Djoko really isn’t at Australia 23 then have that be the other.

14 FO, 3 AO, 3 Wimby, 5 US would be perfect to round at 25. Big 3 slams coming up

It would be peRFect!

 

[janelgreo]

Kyrgios is winning Wimbledon, no CYGS for the clay maestro. But 23 total slams, one more FO if that.

 

[prosperned]

Kyrgios is winning Wimbledon, no CYGS for the clay maestro. But 23 total slams, one more FO if that.

Kyrgios on Djokovic’s half of the draw would be helpful yes

 

[nam416]

Fifteen more... in any other era!

 

[Hitman]

A couple more IMO. I can easily see him on 25.

With Nadal coming back into action, I went back to see my prediction. Honestly, I didn't think he was going to fall as badly as he did post RG 2022, but that Fritz match changed everything at Wimbledon. He hasn't been the same since, picked up more injuries along the way, but is heading back to the RG red clay to try again.

I am going to bring my prediction down to 23-24 max now, and that seriously depends on how this RG campaign goes. I know he has had a terrible ten or so months since last RG, but considering he is the GOAT RG player and has won it 14 times already, no way I can put anyone above him as the fav. Granted, he is not a lock anymore, but he should rightfully be the top guy for it, whether I want him to win it or not, have to respect his record and his champion qualities, especially in Paris.

I don't think he wins the slam race now, because Djokovic destroyed his slam lead within seven months, and looks like he will be playing on a lot longer. The Djokovic win at Wimbledon, Nadal's loss at USO and Djokovic being allowed back into all four slams sealed his fate in that regard. But yes, he can still win max two more IMO, but that is it.

 

[mahatma]

I will be practical here - he ends at 22 now. No more comebacks which are epic. It was all great for last 2 decades, but I don’t see any more comebacks.

I though will be happy to be wrong as he is a great champion.

 

[Jonesy]

Nadal said he wanted to reach 25, let's not lose hope Rafans.

 

[Hitman]

I will be practical here - he ends at 22 now. No more comebacks which are epic. It was all great for last 2 decades, but I don’t see any more comebacks.

I though will be happy to be wrong as he is a great champion.

You don't think he has a chance in Paris? Surely until he actually loses there and does so in convincing fashion, you can't really say he is fully done. I think he is done on HC though, and grass more or less too as Djokovic is too strong there, but on clay, Rafa still can win.

 

[mahatma]

You don't think he has a chance in Paris? Surely until he actually loses there and does so in convincing fashion, you can't really say he is fully done. I think he is done on HC though, and grass more or less too as Djokovic is too strong there, but on clay, Rafa still can win.

I know he has a chance in RG but I don’t see him winning any more RGs too. Body is too broken and honestly this is his worst 10 month period at an age which isn’t favourable for comebacks.

Again a last hurrah will only make me happy, but I don’t see it happening anymore. If somehow he reaches finals of RG and faces either Alcaraz or Djokovic now - I don’t see him winning.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I know he has a chance in RG but I don’t see him winning any more RGs too. Body is too broken and honestly this is his worst 10 month period at an age which isn’t favourable for comebacks.

Again a last hurrah will only make me happy, but I don’t see it happening anymore. If somehow he reaches finals of RG and faces either Alcaraz or Djokovic now - I don’t see him winning.

If he makes final he is 14-0. He may still lose but that doesn't prove anything. Anyone CAN lose. But I would say he will lose before if he is unhealthy. I didn't believe he was injured at all last year. This year at least right now he looks injured.

 

[Razer]

4-6. I think he wins CYGS this year, French&USO next year, then French/Olympics in 2024.

LOL 4-6

 

[Phoenix*]

4-6. I think he wins CYGS this year, French&USO next year, then French/Olympics in 2024.

 

[Rosstour]

I've always said he will want the chance to win the French twenty years after his first title. That's 2005. My guess is he will pour everything into OG24, RG24/25 and call it quits sometime in 2025 or 2026.

Don't think he would retire at RG. More likely Mallorca '26, or just finish out the 2025 season after announcing it will be his last.

 

[Razer]

I've always said he will want the chance to win the French twenty years after his first title. That's 2005. My guess is he will pour everything into OG24, RG24/25 and call it quits sometime in 2025 or 2026.

Don't think he would retire at RG. More likely Mallorca '26, or just finish out the 2025 season after announcing it will be his last.

He won't play wimbledon/us open in the season he retires, what is the point of playing all that when those surfaces mean nothing to him?

He will possibly retire after 2025 RG, 20 year anniversary completed, and this is assuming he fails at RG23 and RG24 back to back. I still feel he has 1 final RG in him this year, next year he possibly will lose very badly and he will retire in 2025 after a failed french open campaign which shall be his last.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Yall were hopeful af lol. Epic

 

[DogInSpace]

If he makes final he is 14-0. He may still lose but that doesn't prove anything. Anyone CAN lose. But I would say he will lose before if he is unhealthy. I didn't believe he was injured at all last year. This year at least right now he looks injured.

Yes. Because having that kind of foot is perfectly normal and doesn't hurt as hell.

Tell me more about those djokovic muscle tears where all we have is his words, and face grimaces that happen only BETWEEN the points. Oh yeah and his "promises" of those mythical scans and some sort of comical documentary about which everybody has already forgotten (unfortunately because it was always shady af.)

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yes. Because having that kind of foot is perfectly normal and doesn't hurt as hell.

Tell me more about those djokovic muscle tears where all we have is his words, and face grimaces that happen only BETWEEN the points. Oh yeah and his "promises" of those mythical scans and some sort of comical documentary about which everybody has already forgotten (unfortunately because it was always shady af.)

Djokovic injury makes him adapt his game. Nadal injuries make him run faster. They are not the same.

 

[DogInSpace]

Djokovic injury makes him adapt his game. Nadal injuries make him run faster. They are not the same.

Run faster? Measured by who? You?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Run faster? Measured by who? You?

Level of play.

 

[DogInSpace]

Level of play.

You can't even explain and prove your claims instead you give vague and generic words that say nothing.

Nadal injury was visible and resulted in DECREASED level of play (I still want to know how such an expert as yourself measure running speed of an athlete)
In addition when he is injured he withdraws and skips upcoming events.

Djokovic only claims that he is injured. All the reality and his actions (not words) prove otherwise.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You can't even explain and prove your claims instead you give vague and generic words that say nothing.

Nadal injury was visible and resulted in DECREASED level of play (I still want to know how such an expert as yourself measure running speed of an athlete)
In addition when he is injured he withdraws and skips upcoming events.

Djokovic only claims that he is injured. All the reality and his actions (not words) prove otherwise.

If his injury was VISIBLE what adaptations did he make. Come on. We are not fools. There was no change in his game. He outranned Djokovic and even FAA.

 

[DogInSpace]

If his injury was VISIBLE what adaptations did he make. Come on. We are not fools. There was no change in his game. He outranned Djokovic and even FAA.

First of all he didn't outrun them. He used his forehand to make them run from one side to the other. You know, how he does it at RG since 2005.

Second of all that picture of his foot is from last year. If you tell me that having a foot that looks like this is healthy you are beyond any hope.

Tell me more about Djokovic who says that he will prove everything to everyone by showing his mythical scans and pseudo documentary of his pains. He probably hopes that everyone has already forgotten about it and unfortunately he is right.

 

[nolefam_2024]

First of all he didn't outrun them. He used his forehand to make them run from one side to the other. You know, how he does it at RG since 2005.

Second of all that picture of his foot is from last year. If you tell me that having a foot that looks like this is healthy you are beyond any hope.

Tell me more about Djokovic who says that he will prove everything to everyone by showing his mythical scans and pseudo documentary of his pains. He probably hopes that everyone has already forgotten about it and unfortunately he is right.

Nothing mythical about it. AO director proved it.

 

[DogInSpace]

Nothing mythical about it. AO director proved it.

Proved it how? By saying that champion of his tournament is not a liar? duh, what else he suppose to say?

 

[Rosstour]

He won't play wimbledon/us open in the season he retires, what is the point of playing all that when those surfaces mean nothing to him?

He will possibly retire after 2025 RG, 20 year anniversary completed, and this is assuming he fails at RG23 and RG24 back to back. I still feel he has 1 final RG in him this year, next year he possibly will lose very badly and he will retire in 2025 after a failed french open campaign which shall be his last.

Who says those surfaces mean nothing to him? I believe he even said that Wimbledon was the tournament he dreamed about winning the most as a kid.

 

[Kralingen]

My CYGS trolling was bad and I feel bad.