Prisoner of Birth
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Even if he does win 6 of the next 8, he'd be 27.5 years old and 6 Slams behind Federer.
How many more Slams do you think Djokovic will win?
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Even if he does win 6 of the next 8, he'd be 27.5 years old and 6 Slams behind Federer.
Clarky21
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Fed is 31 and still winning slams,so what makes you think ******* can't do the same?
The-Champ
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True, he is a year younger than Nadal and infinitely healthier. ******* can run until he's 35 at least. He is thin and doesn't carry much weight.
Prisoner of Birth
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1. Djokovic isn't Federer.
2. I think he can't sustain his physical style of play. Less longevity than Federer.
3. Federer won 4 Slams (so far and he's likely done) ever since he was 27.5 years old. So even if Djokovic replicates that (after winning 6 of the next 8 Slams), he'll still be 2 Slams short of Federer.
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NadalAgassi
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You forget that Federer at 27 and beyond faced Nadal and Djokovic. Djokovic at 27 and beyond will face a possibly burnt out/declining Nadal and Murray. Nadal isnt nearly as tough an opponent for Djokovic as he is for Federer either. If Djokovic is playing tennis even similar to Federer at that age (not certain if he can do that of course) he has a good chance to win more slams at that age than Federer did.
Prisoner of Birth
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I can see Murray becoming to Djokovic what Djokovic became to Nadal. Djokovic is past his peak and Murray looks to be coming into his. Again, I just have this feeling there's this guy out there, who we haven't heard of yet, who can win multiple Slams. He (or they), obviously, won't be coming in anytime soon (not until 4 years maybe) but the possibility is always there. And I'm not ruling out Raonic and Del Potro. Djokovic will only decline from here on out and the "talentless mugs" can only improve, for atleast a couple of years. I can see Del Potro winning 2 more Slams. And Berdych winning 1.
Clarky21
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Sounds to me like you're desperate to come up wth any reason you can that ******* can't catch Fed. With the competition the way it is now,and ******* not being injury prone,I believe he has a very good chance of catching Fed's slam count,and maybe even surpassing him. Who else is going to win the majority of the slams over the next 5-6 years? Murray could snag a few but no more than that. Nadal is done and won't win anymore slams,and is just cannon fodder for ******* anyway. Fed isn't getting any younger. ******* will sleep walk his way to Fed's slam count at this rate. There is absolutely no one to stop him.
Prisoner of Birth
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Djokovic will need another life to go past Federer's count. Signed, sealed, delivered.
It's funny how Nadal is supposedly no longer a threat. Nadal is about 10 times as likely to beat 17 as Djokovic is. I mean, don't you understand that Djokovic is 12 freaking Grand Slams behind? That's more than twice as many Slams as Djokovic has won so far! More than Nadal and Borg have won throughout their entire careers! Only Sampras and Federer have won more than 11 Slams over an entire career! You're trolling or are simply being stupid to say Djokovic is gonna do that in his sleep.
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Clarky21
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If anything is funny it's this. :lol:
And I still think ******* has the best shot at catching Fed. You're just trying to play down his chances because you know he's the one who is the biggest threat to chase down Fed's slam count. Mentioning Nadal as the one with most likely chance to catch him is preposterous. You already know that which is why you suggested it. Fed's slam count is as safe as Fort Knox with Nadal trying to catch him,and you couldn't be happier. Lol.
Prisoner of Birth
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Jesus Christ. I would prefer it if Nadal didn't go past Federer's 17 but I won't lose sleep over it. Nadal is my second favorite player and I'm far from happy that he's been sidelined. I was waiting for Nadal to return and silence some of the *******s and Djotards but looks like he needs to silence his "fake fans" like you, first.
Djokovic is not going past Federer. You know it. I'm not saying it's impossible but his odds of doing that or not much better than mine, LOL.
cc0509
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No way Clarky. Djokovic does not have that longevity/drive factor in him the way a Federer or a Nadal does and never has. He is already 25 and probably has another 2-3 good years but he has Murray, Nadal and to a much lesser extent Federer around as well, not to mention whoever else will come into the picture in the next few years. Djokovic only has 5 slams now. I think the most Djokovic will win is 8-9 slams total. Nadal now has 11 and I think he will likely get to Sampras' slam total.
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NadalAgassi
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If you see Djokovic winning only 3-4 more slams how much do you see Nadal or Murray winning. I got the impression before you expected him to be the most successful of those three in the future (not career wise in case of Nadal or Federer, just from here on out out) and it is hard to see only 8-9 slams total from those three given the lack of people coming up.
Prisoner of Birth
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My rough estimates (I'll likely be wrong but whatever)
Djokovic - 5
Nadal - 4
Murray - 4
Federer - 1
Del Potro - 1
Berdych - 1
That's 4 years' worth of Slams accounted for. I just don't see Djokovic, Nadal or Murray dominating once they get to 29. There will be others taking over.
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NadalAgassi
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I could see it possibly pan out like that for sure. I just think 8 slams estimate for the current players is way too low, but 16 is definitely possible. Do you see Raonic or Tomic or any player born after 1989 winning a slam? I could see Raonic win 1 or even 2 if he is lucky. Tomic I dont see winning one anymore, he is too much a mental weakling even considering how young he is.
cc0509
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No I never thought Djokovic would be the most successful of those three (Djoke, Murray and Nadal.) I think Djokovic will win three or four more, maybe five. I think Nadal will probably win three more to equal Sampras' record and Murray? I think he will win a few more, maybe two or three? It is so hard to predict. I think Nadal will end his career with more slams than Djokovic whatever happens in the next couple of years. I don't think any of these guys will catch Federer's slam total. Let's see how Nadal is when he comes back at the AO 2013 first and then at the FO in 2013, then we will have a better idea of what he is still capable of. I don't think Nadal is done like so many people do.
Clarky21
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Only time will tell and I think you might be in for a surprise when it's all said and done.
As for being a "fake fan",I guess I have been doing a whole lot of faking for the past 7 years. Lol.
I don't agree with that. By ******* peaking late while Fed and Nadal are in decline is going to benefit him. He's got no competition whatsoever outside of Murray. Why wouldn't he have the drive to keep going considering how easy winning slams is going to be for him?
People need to stop counting Nadal as part of *******'s competition at this point because he is not. He's got Murray to contend with and no one else.
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NadalAgassi
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Well that comes out to the three winning only about 8 between them in future years and I still think that is impossibly low given the lack of people coming up able to win slams. I believe the cummulative # of future slams for those three has to be higher than that. We will see though.
BTW what I said was I was under the impression before you thought Djokovic would win the most FUTURE slams of those three (the most from now onwards only, nothing to do with final career totals) and based on the projections you just gave you still do. That is how I concluded if you were picking only 3-4 more for Djokovic, you were picking only 8-9 total at most for that group of three.
cc0509
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I don't see them dominating at age 29 either. They have two to three good years left where they can still win some slams and they will probably share the pie in slam wins in the next two to three years.
I don't see Berdych winning a slam and I for sure don't see Del Potro winning another unless they get really lucky and the top four are defeated early or are injured. I see a guy like Raonic possibly moving in there to win a slam before Berdych or Del Po.
Prisoner of Birth
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Raonic, sure. Maybe 1 or 2 Slam around four years later. Tomic, no, I think he'll be a fairly consistent top 10 player but not a Grand Slam winner. Like I said, I have no idea. Everything is so uncertain.
Prisoner of Birth
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You said you "loathed" Djokovic, right? If you really do, breathe easy, rest assured, he'll never go past Federer. And it's very unlikely he goes past even Nadal.
cc0509
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I think Murray, Djokovic and Nadal will split the slams in the next two years or so. Federer may win one as well. Let's see how Nadal is when he comes back and how he does on non-clay surfaces. Who knows is right! It is all a guessing game.
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NadalAgassi
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So you think after 2 or 3 years they will all retire or all be done winning slams? I guess I just cant imagine Murray or Djokovic especialy (Nadal's body might be broken by then) retiriing or not winning slams even at 28ish and beyond unless someone good enough comes in to knock them off. Federer was winning slams up to 31 facing great players 5 or 6 years younger than him, so I could definitely see Djokovic or Murray or if he isnt broken Nadal winning slams even into their 30s if all they face is the caliber of players we see now outside the top 4. Hopefully things will have changed alot by then with the state of the up and comers and a generation of slam winning caliber players will be established on the scene by then, as obviously that will change alot and make that trio winning into old age far more unlikely. So hard to project so far ahead. It will be intersting to revist this conversation in a few years time.
cc0509
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Nah, I think Nadal will still be competition for Djokovic and Murray but let's see.
I think they will split the slams in the next two years or so. Maybe a guy like Raonic will improve what he needs to improve and win one or two. ?????
Prisoner of Birth
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I can't wait for the Australian Open. I'm fairly sure Nadal still has 2 good years left in him.
cc0509
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I don't think Djokovic will ever get beyond Nadal's slam total let alone Federer's.
Let's see. I hope I am not embarrassed too much by these predictions, lol.
cc0509
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I think he probably does too. I think people are writing him off way too soon. This kid is a beast.
Prisoner of Birth
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30 year-old Djokovic, Murray and Nadal will still be better any of the current field in their prime but you're missing a key point. They'll become very prone to upsets. I can't think of anyone who's been as consistent as Federer past 27. Federer made 18/19 Slam finals from 2005 to 2010 and then he didn't make another final till over an year later. The same thing's gonna happen to Djokovic, Murray and Nadal. They're gonna beat any player outside of themselves more often than not but winning 7 matches in a row at 28/29/30 will not be as easy as Federer made it look.
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NadalAgassi
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The *********s would be unbearable if Djokovic ever somehow beat Federer's slam record. Worse than the worst of the ****s and Nards combined. I wouldnt even go near the forum for that reason if that ever happened, despite that I like Djokovic himself more than Federer. Heck if he even surpasses Nadal's mark they will become unbearable.
Prisoner of Birth
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The only way Djokovic can go past Nadal's mark is if Nadal doesn't win another Slam again. Which is very unlikely to happen.
cc0509
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I think Nadal, Djokovic and Murray have two or three good years left in which they can still win a few slams or more each. Beyond that it will get trickier for them as it has for every other player, even a player as talented as Federer. Once a player reaches 28 or so, his slam winning potential goes down and they don't dominate. Let's see if any of the guys like Raonic can make any progress. I think Raonic has a good head on his shoulders but he has obvious work to do on his game. None of the younger guys are going to be a Federer or a Nadal and win 10 plus slams I don't think but a guy like Raonic may sneak in there if he improves??? Let's see. It is a crapshoot for sure right now. Things may look a lot differently in six months even.
Prisoner of Birth
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That's 7 Slams.
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NadalAgassi
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There are only 3 predictions I am going to make for certain on Djokovic:
-At careers end he will be regarded as the greatest Australian Open player ever.
-He will win the French atleast once.
-He will end up with more slams than Agassi's 8 and generally be regarded higher than Agassi in history (which pains me to say as I think Agassi had more potential but he didnt always use it the way Djokovic is now maximizing his, for the record Agassi had more overall potential than Nadal too, Nadal being someone who has even already greatly overachieved and gone well beyond his potential, potential wise Agassi had more than almost everyone in history).
-At careers end he will be regarded as the greatest Australian Open player ever.
-He will win the French atleast once.
-He will end up with more slams than Agassi's 8 and generally be regarded higher than Agassi in history (which pains me to say as I think Agassi had more potential but he didnt always use it the way Djokovic is now maximizing his, for the record Agassi had more overall potential than Nadal too, Nadal being someone who has even already greatly overachieved and gone well beyond his potential, potential wise Agassi had more than almost everyone in history).
Yeah, I made a couple of mistakes with that post.
It's corrected now (I originally meant to give him only 2 more Australian Opens and I forgot to account for his Wimbledon title)Prisoner of Birth
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I think Agassi could've won 15 Slams if he'd pulled his shorts up and focused on his Tennis.
Prisoner of Birth
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Yeah, I made a couple of mistakes with that post.
I'm not sure. Just 2 at his best Slam and 2 again at the one where he's never won at (not that he's bad on it)?
You're right. I could easily trade one of his FO titles for an Australian Open or a USO title (instead of it going toward a 2nd Wimbledon)
cc0509
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Oh no, not more NA predictions!
That pretty much means that Djokovic will not surpass Agassi's 8 and I hope he does not because I am an Agassi fan. :mrgreen:
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NadalAgassi
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Oh no, not more NA predictions!
That pretty much means that Djokovic will not surpass Agassi's 8 and I hope he does not because I am an Agassi fan. :mrgreen:
I will be happy if he doesnt too since I am also an Agassi fan. I am a Djokovic fan too, but an even bigger Agassi fan, and anyway the only small hope of Nadal passing Federer's total is if Djokovic surprisingly didnt even reach 8.
I am biased but I admit I really think Agassi should have won atleast 12 slams, even with having to share an era with Sampras. One of the most talented players ever IMO. Still the best combined groundstroker (forehand and backhand) ever and possibly the best returner ever as well. I can only imagine if he had the same focus his whole career he had in late 94/95 and 99 onwards, or if he had won that 95 U.S Open final with Sampras which destroyed him emotionally.
BauerAlmeida
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I will be happy if he doesnt too since I am also an Agassi fan. I am a Djokovic fan too, but an even bigger Agassi fan, and anyway the only small hope of Nadal passing Federer's total is if Djokovic surprisingly didnt even reach 8.
I am biased but I admit I really think Agassi should have won atleast 12 slams, even with having to share an era with Sampras. One of the most talented players ever IMO. Still the best combined groundstroker (forehand and backhand) ever and possibly the best returner ever as well. I can only imagine if he had the same focus his whole career he had in late 94/95 and 99 onwards, or if he had won that 95 U.S Open final with Sampras which destroyed him emotionally.
Agassi is the player with the biggest potential ever IMO. At least considering the players who had huge careers (Sampras, Federer, Borg, Lendl, Agassi, etc.).
Maybe Safin had more potential than Agassi but he was far away from him and the other top guys in terms of achievements.
On Topic: I think it's almost impossible for Djokovic to catch up with Federer. If he had a better luck this year and didn't have that slump in 2009-2010 maybe he would have a chance considering the crappy next generation. But now it's impossible unless Nadal doesn't come back at all, Murray goes back to his choking and pushing days, Federer fades away too son and Del Potro doesn't improve his fitness. A lot of variables. I can see him cathing up with Nadal though. Unlikely but if he dominates the HC slams and can find a way to beat him in RG it may happen eventually.
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5555
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Oh no, not more NA predictions!
That pretty much means that Djokovic will not surpass Agassi's 8 and I hope he does not because I am an Agassi fan. :mrgreen:
Steve Flink said that Djokovic will reach double digits
http://www.tennischannel.com/news/NewsDetails.aspx?newsid=10327
Plexicushion player that is;
Wilander Fan
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I would be surprised. No player taxes his body like Nole. He puts so much pressure on his knees and ankles its shocking he hasnt broken down yet. Also, he wins more through lack of weakness than any one true weapon. If his level goes down just a little but or if he loses even half a step his performance will be drastically affected.
dimeaxe
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Last year after US open, Djokovic told the press, that his goal is winning 11 slams, matching Borg, and playing until age of 28.He said that the game in general become too much taxing, and that he doesn't know how long he will last.
At time, he was evidently injured and burned out, so it is reasonable to speak in such a way.This year before Olympics, he changed his story and said he believes he'll play for a long time even in the thirties.I believe, that he's going to win 6 more, at least.
If you just compare him and Agassi, with quite similar playing styles, we know that Agassi played great even in his thirties.He reached 4 slam finals in a row, winning three of them, and he was 29/30 at time.He won 2 more after that, so it's 5 in total from age 29-33.And Agassi had much more troubled career than Novak, injury wise(wrist surgery, back injuries, girls...)Novak is much better treating his career than Agassi ever did.Even Agassi himself considers Novak as a better player
So, to conclude this, I want to say that it's achievable for him to win 6 more before he retires, he's not going to dominate the game in late twenties, but it's not going to stop him of winning slams from time to time.
At time, he was evidently injured and burned out, so it is reasonable to speak in such a way.This year before Olympics, he changed his story and said he believes he'll play for a long time even in the thirties.I believe, that he's going to win 6 more, at least.
If you just compare him and Agassi, with quite similar playing styles, we know that Agassi played great even in his thirties.He reached 4 slam finals in a row, winning three of them, and he was 29/30 at time.He won 2 more after that, so it's 5 in total from age 29-33.And Agassi had much more troubled career than Novak, injury wise(wrist surgery, back injuries, girls...
)Novak is much better treating his career than Agassi ever did.Even Agassi himself considers Novak as a better playerSo, to conclude this, I want to say that it's achievable for him to win 6 more before he retires, he's not going to dominate the game in late twenties, but it's not going to stop him of winning slams from time to time.
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
I agree, probably 4 or 5 on HC and 1 or 2 on RG/W
Multiple peaks
I disagree. Agassi 1995 and 1999/2000 and Connors 1974, 1976, 1982 are two players that quickly come to mind.
I disagree. Agassi 1995 and 1999/2000 and Connors 1974, 1976, 1982 are two players that quickly come to mind.
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