How many more Slams do you think Djokovic will win?

How many more?

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President said:
I would be, no player since 1969 has won the Grand Slam for a reason. Djokovic isn't even close to dominant enough to win it next season barring a return to 2011 form (which looks unlikely). The other top 3 are fully capable of beating him, and they proved it this year.
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So what? Djokovic also beats all of them!
 
Gonzo_style said:
So what? Djokovic also beats all of them!
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You're missing the point. Djokovic has to beat all of them 4 times to win the Grand Slam. Not to mention, the Tsongas and Berdychs. On the other hand, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Del Potro and the rest of the field will only need to beat him once to deny him. I mean, what are the odds?
 
Prisoner of Birth said:
You're missing the point. Djokovic has to beat all of them 4 times to win the Grand Slam. Not to mention, the Tsongas and Berdychs. On the other hand, Federer, Nadal, Murray, Del Potro and the rest of the field will only need to beat him once to deny him. I mean, what are the odds?
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Times are change, next year Fed will have 32, Nadal is injured, Murray is not consistent like Fedal, i think ( and you can call me a troll) that Djokovic have a better chance for GS next year then this year!

And Berdych/Tsonga/JMDP? please...
 
President said:
I would be, no player since 1969 has won the Grand Slam for a reason. Djokovic isn't even close to dominant enough to win it next season barring a return to 2011 form (which looks unlikely). The other top 3 are fully capable of beating him, and they proved it this year.
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Have you seen *******'s competition? It's pathetic on every level. He only has one player to deal with over the next 5 years or so and that Murray. No one else will trouble him in the slightest.
 
Clarky21 said:
Have you seen *******'s competition? It's pathetic on every level. He only has one player to deal with over the next 5 years or so and that Murray. No one else will trouble him in the slightest.
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Then why did he lose to Federer at Wimbledon, Nadal at RG, and Murray at the Olympics and US Open?
 
Prisoner of Birth said:
I would just as vigorously argue that Federer won't get to 21 Grand Slams. It's what I believe.

As to why I discuss Federer so much, that's because he's my favorite player. And I love statistics, comparisons and arguments. That's why I'm here :) And there's nothing more interesting than projecting Grand Slam totals of players as far as statistics and discussions go.

Nadal has a decent chance, even now, of going past Federer. Maybe 15-20%. Djokovic, maybe 3-4%.
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Not a chance. No way no how.


He has a better shot than that. The odds are he will get there or get very close to it.
 
Trolling as she may be Clarky does have a point. Nadal might be retired already for all we know. I have belief he will come back strong and shut up his naysaysers, and think he could even have another 2008 or 2010 year in him at some point, but until he does return and we see how he does nobody knows for sure. He is the biggest question mark at this point. Federer is 31, he isnt going to continue winning slams much longer or many more of them, for all we know he might (not for sure but might) have won his last one already.

Federer and Nadal are both big question marks. The only certain real competition is Murray, and Murray right now is definitely his lesser.
 
President said:
Then why did he lose to Federer at Wimbledon, Nadal at RG, and Murray at the Olympics and US Open?
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Fed isn't getting any younger. Nadal is in decline and isn't getting any younger. He is also constantly injured. Who knows if he will even be back,but even if he does come back,he won't beat *******. Nadal has trouble with him on every surface so there is no sanctuary for him on clay like there used to be. Murray is his only legit competition,but he is flakey,and can be a mental midget. The next 5 years is *******'s to dominate. Nobody else even stands a chance.
 
NadalAgassi said:
Trolling as she may be Clarky does have a point. Nadal might be retired already for all we know. I have belief he will come back strong and shut up his naysaysers, and think he could even have another 2008 or 2010 year in him at some point, but until he does return and we see how he does nobody knows for sure. He is the biggest question mark at this point. Federer is 31, he isnt going to continue winning slams much longer or many more of them, for all we know he might (not for sure but might) have won his last one already.

Federer and Nadal are both big question marks. The only certain real competition is Murray, and Murray right now is definitely his lesser.
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I understand that, but some of the stuff she's saying is ********. You and I know that.

In regards to the bolded part, yeah he might be retired, or he could be serving a silent ban, all the while trying to help Armstrong get all his sponsors back in exchange for more PED's. Just joking ;)
 
Steve0904 said:
I understand that, but some of the stuff she's saying is ********. You and I know that.

In regards to the bolded part, yeah he might be retired, or he could be serving a silent ban, all the while trying to help Armstrong get all his sponsors back in exchange for more PED's. Just joking ;)
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While I know you are joking I am one of the few Nadal fans who doesnt dismiss the possability of him doping, or even serving silent bans one bit, such as his strange absences from Wimbledon 2009 and his current one. However I am also one of those who believes most elite athletes these days use performance enhancers of some sort, while variety of amounts and variety of types depending on the athlete, so dont begrudge those athletes who do, not even the ones who get caught (although those are some really unlucky suckers, and except for the ones witchhunted probably fairly stupid to have somehow gotten caught as it is quite easy to get away with it seems).
 
Steve0904 said:
I understand that, but some of the stuff she's saying is ********. You and I know that.In regards to the bolded part, yeah he might be retired, or he could be serving a silent ban, all the while trying to help Armstrong get all his sponsors back in exchange for more PED's. Just joking ;)
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Why is it "********"? And I see you're another one who loves to use that word inappropriately.


Yep,definitely a Fedfan. No question about it now. Lol.
 
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NadalAgassi said:
Trolling as she may be Clarky does have a point. Nadal might be retired already for all we know. I have belief he will come back strong and shut up his naysaysers, and think he could even have another 2008 or 2010 year in him at some point, but until he does return and we see how he does nobody knows for sure. He is the biggest question mark at this point. Federer is 31, he isnt going to continue winning slams much longer or many more of them, for all we know he might (not for sure but might) have won his last one already.

Federer and Nadal are both big question marks. The only certain real competition is Murray, and Murray right now is definitely his lesser.
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I don't think Murray is Djokovic's lesser competition at all. If anything they have the closest h2h of all. I think they are equally matched in talent. The only question mark is can Murray continue to win big and not mentally fold as he has many times in the past in big matches.

Djokovic has not exactly been an ironman himself in the mental dept. this year or at least not compared to his 2011 year.
 
cc0509 said:
I don't think Murray is Djokovic's lesser competition at all. If anything they have the closest h2h of all. I think they are equally matched in talent. The only question mark is can Murray continue to win big and not mentally fold as he has many times in the past in big matches.

Djokovic has not exactly been an ironman himself in the mental dept. this year or at least not compared to his 2011 year.
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This is how I sum it up. Djokovic has 5 slams. Murray has 1. In the last 2 years alone, so speaking very recent and current, not ancient facts like most of Federer and Nadal's slams that might not speak well to their currrent abilities, Djokovic has 4 slams and Murray has 1. This year Djokovic is the #1 and even if he didnt live up to his 2011 standards cemented himself as still being the Worlds best player right now, and Murray is the #3 behind Federer, which in all certainty is where they will end this year (and considering Nadal after the U.S Open having not played since Wimbledon still had more points in 2012 than Murray, it is almost certain Murray would be down at #4 again if Nadal had played most of the year). While Murray challenging and even overtaking Djokovic for the #1 next year wouldnt shock me, until any of these changes, he is the lesser player, both career wise, and right now.
 
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Gonzo_style said:
Times are change, next year Fed will have 32, Nadal is injured, Murray is not consistent like Fedal, i think ( and you can call me a troll) that Djokovic have a better chance for GS next year then this year!

And Berdych/Tsonga/JMDP? please...
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Tsonga beat Djokovic at the AO once before. And Del Potro beat Djokovic at the Olympics this year. What do you mean, please? I'm not saying Rosol's gonna beat Djokovic. Then again, he might, in the form of another player ;-)
 
NadalAgassi said:
This is how I sum it up. Djokovic has 5 slams. Murray has 1. In the last 2 years alone, so speaking very recent and current, not ancient facts like most of Federer and Nadal's slams that might not speak well to their currrent abilities, Djokovic has 4 slams and Murray has 1. This year Djokovic is the #1 and even if he didnt live up to his 2011 standards cemented himself as still being the Worlds best player right now, and Murray is the #3 behind Federer, which in all certainty is where they will end this year (and considering Nadal after the U.S Open having not played since Wimbledon still had more points in 2012 than Murray, it is almost certain Murray would be down at #4 again if Nadal had played most of the year). While Murray challenging and even overtaking Djokovic for the #1 next year wouldnt shock me, until any of these changes, he is the lesser player, both career wise, and right now.
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Oh, Murray is definitely the lesser player career-wise at this point but I would argue that Murray may just be the player of the year based on his Wimbledon final, OG and USO wins(there are good arguments to be made for Djokovic, Federer and Murray being the player of the year.) I think Murray has stepped it up and has played the best tennis I have seen from him ever in the past few months. If he can keep that up, he should be a challenge for Djokovic but "if" is the key word.
 
cc0509 said:
Oh, Murray is definitely the lesser player career-wise at this point but I would argue that Murray may just be the player of the year based on his Wimbledon final, OG and USO wins(there are good arguments to be made for Djokovic, Federer and Murray being the player of the year.) I think Murray has stepped it up and has played the best tennis I have seen from him ever in the past few months. If he can keep that up, he should be a challenge for Djokovic but "if" is the key word.
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Murray excels more on faster surfaces than slow, and Djokovic more on slower than fast. If even on faster surfaces, minus grass, they are playing virtually equal Djokovic is still ahead IMO. The U.S Open final Murray barely held on to win over a visibly underperforming (IMO anyway) Djokovic, then lost the Shanghai final after all those match points. Most agree Djokovic isnt a great grass court player despite his Wimbledon win, and that Federer, Nadal, and even Wimbledon-less Murray are all better on that surface. However even if we take that part of the year and surmise at this point going into next year:

Djokovic = Murray on fast hard courts
Djokovic = Murray indoors
Murray > Djokovic grass
Djokovic >>> Murray clay
Djokovic > Murray slow hard courts

Djokovic is still ahead going into next year, unless Murray makes a move in the early part on the slower courts.

I guess if Murray wins Paris and the WTF both, or maybe even just the WTF, he might be the true Player of the Year (awarded or not), but I have a hard time seeing a Player of the Year without even a Masters title, especialy with Federer and Djokovic both winning 3 of them. Olympics and WTF are both bigger than a Masters, but still.
 
cc0509 said:
Oh, Murray is definitely the lesser player career-wise at this point but I would argue that Murray may just be the player of the year based on his Wimbledon final, OG and USO wins(there are good arguments to be made for Djokovic, Federer and Murray being the player of the year.) I think Murray has stepped it up and has played the best tennis I have seen from him ever in the past few months. If he can keep that up, he should be a challenge for Djokovic but "if" is the key word.
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Murray's game is the least of his worries right now. It's his mental strength that is suspect. His Jell-O for brains made another appearance recently in the final of Shanghai where he wasted 5 match points and went on to lose the match. It was painful to watch him do that.
 
Clarky21 said:
Murray's game is the least of his worries right now. It's his mental strength that is suspect. His Jell-O for brains made another appearance recently in the final of Shanghai where he wasted 5 match points and went on to lose the match. It was painful to watch him do that.
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Yes, but Murray defeated Djokovic where it really matters, at a slam (USO.)

Let's hope Jell o for brains Murray does not show up as much in 2013!
 
Even in the Wimbledon final, while his forehand fell apart a bit, and he fell off in his play, in the 3rd and 4th sets especialy, he did play better despite losing than his first 3 slam finals by a long way. It seems he is making major strides in handling his big match nerves, and getting better in each one he plays. However Djokovic still seems mentally stronger. He nearly made that big comeback in the U.S Open final despite clearly struggling, and then that big comeback in Shanghai. It will be interesting to see what effect that might have on their future encounters.

Another interesting thing is Murray has yet to end a year ranked higher than Djokovic that I know of anyway, even before Djokovic became Djokovic 2.0. He has yet to end a year ranked over Federer as well amazingly (being that Federer is 31 now). This will be his first year ended ranked over Nadal but took Nadal being inactive for 5 months.

It will be interesting to see how he carries his second half 2012 momentum from faster courts to slower courts in early 2013. That is what it will take to reach #1.
 
cc0509 said:
Yes, but Murray defeated Djokovic where it really matters, at a slam (USO.)Let's hope Jell o for brains Murray does not show up as much in 2013!
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I know,and thank God he did. I did think he was going to blow it when he blew his 2 sets to none lead and wound up in a 5th set. I was impressed that he held it together and beat The Unsightly One in the 5th. Lol.


Yep,but he's free to have Jell-O Jigglers for brains when he's playing Nadal all day long. :)
 
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NadalAgassi said:
It will be interesting to see how he carries his second half 2012 momentum from faster courts to slower courts in early 2013. That is what it will take to reach #1.
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If Murray wants to be number one, he needs the same or better results on clay comparing to 2011. Federer without a title in Madrid probably would not be number one.
 
Clarky21 said:
I know,and thank God he did. I did think he was going to blow it when he blew his 2 sets to none lead and wound up in a 5th set. I was impressed that he held it together and beat The Unsightly One in the 5th. Lol.


Yep,but he's free to have Jell-O Jigglers for brains when he's playing Nadal all day long. :)
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I just don't understand why you are so negative with Novak. I like both Nole and Nadal. it just doesn't make any sense to me. What did Djoko do to you?
 
NadalAgassi said:
The U.S Open final Murray barely held on to win over a visibly underperforming (IMO anyway) Djokovic, then lost the Shanghai final after all those match points.
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Granted that he let his 2 sets lead slip, but do you really think a 6-2 score in the 5th set can be termed ' barely held on'? Had it been a 5th set tie-break with that score, I would agree. All those missed championship points in Shanghai was a strange anomaly for Murray. But even after that, Murray is actually still 3-2 v Djokovic in Masters finals.

NadalAgassi said:
Djokovic is still ahead going into next year, unless Murray makes a move in the early part on the slower courts.
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Totally agree.

NadalAgassi said:
I guess if Murray wins Paris and the WTF both, or maybe even just the WTF, he might be the true Player of the Year (awarded or not), but I have a hard time seeing a Player of the Year without even a Masters title, especialy with Federer and Djokovic both winning 3 of them. Olympics and WTF are both bigger than a Masters, but still.
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I would say that winning 3 of the 6 biggest titles of the year (USO, WTF & Olympics) should be sufficient to swing it IMO.

Just out of interest, has anyone ever received the award without winning at least 1 of the 9 current Masters titles?
 
NadalAgassi said:
Another interesting thing is Murray has yet to end a year ranked higher than Djokovic that I know of anyway, even before Djokovic became Djokovic 2.0.
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I was always a bit surprised that he didn't manage to do this in 2009 or 2010 when Murray seemed to be outperforming Djokovic. In 2009, Murray won 6 titles including 2 Masters, Djokovic won just one. Neither made a Slam final. In 2010, each made 1 Slam final but Murray won 2 more Masters while Djokovic didn't even make a Masters final. Yet somehow Djokovic managed to stay ahead in ranking points.

NadalAgassi said:
It will be interesting to see how he carries his second half 2012 momentum from faster courts to slower courts in early 2013. That is what it will take to reach #1.
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Murray does have a consistency problem v Djokovic and the other top 4. He certainly needs to get out of the bad habit of losing in the early rounds of Masters tournaments to much lower-ranked players which happened in all but 2 of them in 2012 and, of course, he needs to stamp firmly on his latest tendency to choke away match points before that develops into another bad habit. He himself has admitted that he needs to improve his all-round consistency in these areas and not just in the Slams. Now that he finally has his maiden Slam title behind him, it will be interesting to see if his all-round consistency at ALL the big tournaments improves in 2013 and not just at the Slams becaue they cannot be neglected if he wishes to push his ranking any higher.
 
Mainad said:
I was always a bit surprised that he didn't manage to do this in 2009 or 2010 when Murray seemed to be outperforming Djokovic. In 2009, Murray won 6 titles including 2 Masters, Djokovic won just one. Neither made a Slam final. In 2010, each made 1 Slam final but Murray won 2 more Masters while Djokovic didn't even make a Masters final. Yet somehow Djokovic managed to stay ahead in ranking points.



Murray does have a consistency problem v Djokovic and the other top 4. He certainly needs to get out of the bad habit of losing in the early rounds of Masters tournaments to much lower-ranked players which happened in all but 2 of them in 2012 and, of course, he needs to stamp firmly on his latest tendency to choke away match points before that develops into another bad habit. He himself has admitted that he needs to improve his all-round consistency in these areas and not just in the Slams. Now that he finally has his maiden Slam title behind him, it will be interesting to see if his all-round consistency at ALL the big tournaments improves in 2013 and not just at the Slams becaue they cannot be neglected if he wishes to push his ranking any higher.
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Djokovic won at least 3 titles in 2009, having won Dubai Paris and Basel, and I think Beijing as well
 
Towser83 said:
Djokovic won at least 3 titles in 2009, having won Dubai Paris and Basel, and I think Beijing as well
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Yes sorry, I was referring to Masters titles. Murray's 6 titles in 2009 were the most of any player on the tour that year and included Miami and Montreal. Djokovic's only Masters that year was Paris.
 
Mainad said:
Yes sorry, I was referring to Masters titles. Murray's 6 titles in 2009 were the most of any player on the tour that year and included Miami and Montreal. Djokovic's only Masters that year was Paris.
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Yes but Djok played finals in Rome, MC, Cincinnati, Miami and have a much better result in USO! In 2010 was really close between Djokovic, Murray and Soderling.
 
NadalAgassi said:
Well lets see, we have a worthless crop of players aged 20-23, a rather worthless group of teenagers (the few that exist) trying to make their way on the ATP tour now, an uninspiring junior group. Other than Murray who else is going to win any slams the next 5 years. Bernard Tomic, Kei Nishikori, Ryan Harrison, LOL! At some point some new talent (real talent not just a Raonic level who might win 1 slam someday if he is really lucky) will emerge but be prepared to wait a long time since there is no indication there is any on the near horizon and expect atleast 2 if not all of Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray to win ALOT more slams. I guess Del Potro "could" win another slam or two before he retires, but dont bet on it happening either, and dont expect him to win alot of future slams, that is for sure.

The French Open prediction looks especialy right. Unless his body falls off Nadal can win French Opens into his 30s, and when was the least up and comer that emerged on clay of any ilk since Nadal.
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you kinda nailed it down here. I don't know how many slams he will win per se. I just don't see any competition. We have aging Fed, Nadal who is injured and might fight him on clay but even there Rafa is losing his ground IMO. Murray, maybe but still not good enough. With all respect to Murray's fans I still think that Djokovic gifted him the USO this year.

the biggest problem are youngsters, as you said it. they are just clueless. I can't remember ever in the open era not having some talents who can break through. e.i. super over hyped Tomic won only 2 games against Youzny in Basel. just pathetic.

Youngsters are simply not consistent enough. yes they have some wins here and there but it takes much more to win slams. I don't even think the believe they can do it.

So, I don't really know who is going to stop Djoko?
 
Mainad said:
Yes sorry, I was referring to Masters titles. Murray's 6 titles in 2009 were the most of any player on the tour that year and included Miami and Montreal. Djokovic's only Masters that year was Paris.
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Ah ok,I thought you meant it was just the 1 title.

Gonzo_style said:
You forgot Belgrade!
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Mainad said:
Djokovic won 5 titles in 2009: 1 Masters, Paris; 3 500s, Dubai, Beijing & Basel and 1 250, Belgrade.
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Oh yeah,I did forget Belgrade, thanks.
 
Assuming his body holds up.

I would say 4-5 more sounds realistic.

i expect him to win at least one RG, and maybe two.

one more uso.
one more ao.

and one more of uso/ao...if djokovic plays well at the right time - then one more wimbledon is still possible.

I expect nadal to be rusty next year, and will be beatable when the clay season comes around.

Its basically a djokovic / murray show with berdych and tsonga and delpo having outside chances.

Federer has a shot but only if djokovic / nadal arent in top form and murray forgets how to play under pressure.

Tennis changes fast. Djokovic one year from now will not be the same physically. nadal is already declining physically, while murray is still in his prime physically.

If these guys dont have their top movement, they will be vulernable to the big hitters - delpo, tsonga and berdych.
 
World Beater said:
Assuming his body holds up.

I would say 4-5 more sounds realistic.

i expect him to win at least one RG, and maybe two.

one more uso.
one more ao.

I expect nadal to be rusty next year, and will be beatable when the clay season comes around.


Tennis changes fast. Djokovic one year from now will not be the same physically. nadal is already declining physically, while murray is still in his prime physically.
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Let me get this straight: You think Djokovic will win Roland Garros.

This year Nadal beat Djokovic 3 out of 3 meetings on clay. Only dropped ONE set. And that is despite Nadal taking painkillers throughout the clay season because of the knee troubles he suffered at Indian Wells and Miami (where he withdrew in the semis).

Nadal has since announced that he will play less hardcourt events from now on and that he'll only play when 100% (that is why he refused to play the Olympics and US Open - he wasn't 100%). That means Djokovic will have to play a 100% fit Nadal from now on, rather than the injured version of Nadal that he faced this year (which was still too much for Djokovic to handle).

Djokovic winning Roland Garros? No chance.
 
RAFA2005RG said:
Let me get this straight: You think Djokovic will win Roland Garros.

This year Nadal beat Djokovic 3 out of 3 meetings on clay. Only dropped ONE set. And that is despite Nadal taking painkillers throughout the clay season because of the knee troubles he suffered at Indian Wells and Miami (where he withdrew in the semis).

Nadal has since announced that he will play less hardcourt events from now on and that he'll only play when 100% (that is why he refused to play the Olympics and US Open - he wasn't 100%). That means Djokovic will have to play a 100% fit Nadal from now on, rather than the injured version of Nadal that he faced this year (which was still too much for Djokovic to handle).

Djokovic winning Roland Garros? No chance.
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I also have a strong feeling Djokovic will win Roland Garros. I think it will happen next year. If Nadal is truly able to come back at 100% then I'll take back that prediction, but I'm really afraid that Nadal might never be able to get back to his top form. If that's the case, then the door is wide open (or at least open a lot wider than it used to be) for Djokovic to pick up a French Open title.
 
RAFA2005RG said:
Let me get this straight: You think Djokovic will win Roland Garros.

This year Nadal beat Djokovic 3 out of 3 meetings on clay. Only dropped ONE set. And that is despite Nadal taking painkillers throughout the clay season because of the knee troubles he suffered at Indian Wells and Miami (where he withdrew in the semis).

Nadal has since announced that he will play less hardcourt events from now on and that he'll only play when 100% (that is why he refused to play the Olympics and US Open - he wasn't 100%). That means Djokovic will have to play a 100% fit Nadal from now on, rather than the injured version of Nadal that he faced this year (which was still too much for Djokovic to handle).

Djokovic winning Roland Garros? No chance.
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Who ever told you that Djokovic was 100% during the clay season? :lol:
Djokovic played far superior clay court tennis in 2009 and 2011 than he did this year. Nadal didn't play anywhere close to the best version of Djokovic this year. Everybody saw how much Djokovic was struggling throughout the clay court season, especially at Roland Garros where he barely survived against Seppi and Tsonga.
 
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