djNEiGht
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which version?
How many people still play with rackets that are over 20 years old?
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slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Crimson, prestige pro mid. Cap grommets.
kevin qmto
Hall of Fame
that look kinda describes almost every prestige from the late 80s to late 90s lol.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Yes. This one says prestige pro instead of classic or 600 or classic 600. the word pro is the distinction, which is what i can do … besides getting really geeky and transcribing text. US Flag. Photos.
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kevin qmto
Hall of Fame
That’s the one from 1987.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
AMF Head?
kevin qmto
Hall of Fame
It was made in the same USA factory, but after AMF sold its controlling interest in head. Head Austria shut it down soon after.
slice bh compliment
G.O.A.T.
Ah, excellent, thank you.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
yo tango!
All O dem Donnays
bigjimbofan
Semi-Pro
I use a Pro Kennex 110 reach. Picked it up about 20 years ago a a K Mart store. Here's the weird thing. It was used and had no Upc code. It was nothing they sold. I'm thinking someone returned it and fooled the customer service and got a refund for a used racquet. They sold it to me for 20 dollars. When I first picked it up it just felt so right. I have never found another one since that has felt that way.
GoArmyTennis
Rookie
I played with a Prince Triple Threat Warrior until a few years ago. Great stick
kevo82
Rookie
I just bought a Prince Triple Threat Graphite MP mint condition with plastic on handle, the Ferrero used when he won his only grand slam, the Roland Garros 2003
I payed 40€ for it
Frankc
Professional
Actually, it is a well established fact that the mainstream digital quality for music is greatly inferior to tape and CD quality. Not sure about turntable needle quality.
(Oh, I forgot - the central truth of "presentism" - today's tech and values are always totally better...)
(Oh, I forgot - the central truth of "presentism" - today's tech and values are always totally better...)
Or it's like people can learn to resist the lure of marketing and consumerism and make personal judgements based on what's actually best for them and not what's best for the companies trying to separate them from their hard earned money.
Grafil Injection
Hall of Fame
The analogy is a good one, but needs completion: the main advantage of modern sticks is not any difference in ultimate performance, it's just some benefits of ease of use / less preparation required.
NicoMK
Hall of Fame
Or maybe not.
What does "mainstream digital quality for music" stand for? To be certain, CD's use Pulse Code Modulation to encode audio data digitally. The first time I heard a CD recording, in 1983, I was thrilled by the musical sound, especially the sound sharpness in the higher frequencies. And I thought, "Forget about the warm analogue playback on vinyl records." My expensive turntable, cartridge, and needle went into the trash.
What does "ease of use" mean, and what does "less preparation required" mean?
optic yellow
Legend
Right but what about people who prefer warmth over high pitched sharpness?
Grafil Injection
Hall of Fame
Apologies, I wasn't clear. 'Ease of use' = lighter, 'less preparation required' = large head-size.
And the boom in vinyl in recent years is driven by newbies wanting to actually have to think about what they are listening to.
optic yellow
Legend
Can you please clarify whether you think the newbies are doing a good thing or not?
Grafil Injection
Hall of Fame
I do yes.
DariaGT
Professional
Still using Willys trusty 6.1 painted in black model of first Japan-only Srixon X 2.0 Tour model
Weiss scorpion 17L aka PP Concept 1.22mm X, Mains TF BC 4S (from WC UC for years)
Recently shocked to see that TWU lists its power rating similar to Babolat PA VS!
This Stick should revamped by Willy as throat V feels so much better than box beams for OHBHs.
Willy should use the Ultra 97 with Blade's head beam "D" cross section throughout,
like what Angell is doing but use the U97 narrow throat @ RA66, 16x20 chrome/blk pj.
Weiss scorpion 17L aka PP Concept 1.22mm X, Mains TF BC 4S (from WC UC for years)
Recently shocked to see that TWU lists its power rating similar to Babolat PA VS!
This Stick should revamped by Willy as throat V feels so much better than box beams for OHBHs.
Willy should use the Ultra 97 with Blade's head beam "D" cross section throughout,
like what Angell is doing but use the U97 narrow throat @ RA66, 16x20 chrome/blk pj.
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optic yellow
Legend
Can you now elaborate on why that makes them actually have to think about what they are listening too?
Grafil Injection
Hall of Fame
Vinyl comes in a nice big sleeve with all the song details well presented, so you get some idea on how the tracks were put together etc. The physical form makes you sensitive of the efforts people have made to produce it. Then the rigmarole of setting up your player encourages you to listen to the whole album rather than just one track.
Spotify etc doesn't give you this sense of interaction with the artist.
optic yellow
Legend
Spotify can get close if you don't succumb to bad digital use habits. Of course given that condition I can see the obvious benefit of choosing a different environment. I am curious having never listened to records this way, exactly how detailed the song descriptions were. I would appreciate if you gave me an example with a classic rock album I might know.
optic yellow
Legend
Literally one of the best frames ever made aside from the unfortunate deformation tendency.
optic yellow
Legend
kevin qmto
Hall of Fame
I think those are the prestige tour 300s from a few years later.
optic yellow
Legend
No he is talking about the same one I have.
kevin qmto
Hall of Fame
Ok well I’m not aware those have any reputation for warping.
optic yellow
Legend
This is what I found when looking up the problem for my own.
kevo82
Rookie
No real upgrades were made since early 2000s, so those that change the racquets every year, thinking THAT’S what is keeping them from playing better tennis, will never be better, and will lose to a 40 yo like me that is playing with 20 years old sticks.
I like some new generation racquets too, but overall they are all trash.
Ezone 98 and Pure Aero 98 are ok, but they lack power and stability.
I like some new generation racquets too, but overall they are all trash.
Ezone 98 and Pure Aero 98 are ok, but they lack power and stability.
First, I'm not talking about high-end frequencies that screech out of a high-end audio system. I'm talking about a digital process that precisely produces every individual instrument in a song [including the singing voice] throughout the human-hearing spectrum. A warmer tone tends to suppress tones from one end of the spectrum to the other, including subwoofer notes losing punch. But everyone has their own individual taste. However, listeners might not know what they're missing in a song until they hear a digital music recording through an upgrade audio system.
Back to rackets. For years, longer than a decade, I used a Head Intelligence 98 model. And I bought up a bunch of them after the model was no longer produced. But later a friend allowed me to use his Head Radical 98 model, like Fritz's racket, strung with 17-gauge Technifibre Bi-Phase at 55 tension. I found a better feel in the Radical, a more precise feel, of how the ball would respond off my strokes, raising an issue with others on giving a racket a proper tryout.
I also used the Bi-Phase string but 18 gauge at 53 tension. In my younger days, I used 17 gut at 58 tension. Then in my later years reduced to 55 tension and later further reduced to 53 to somewhat compensate my loss of power but without affecting depth and accuracy. Then I found the Bi-Phase felt similar to gut off the racket. Therefore no more worries about the humidity. [A note: The string feel to one player doesn't mean another player will feel the same.]
So in the tryout of the Radical, the racket had similar strings and tension of what I'm used to. As well, I rarely miss-hit in hitting a regular flat forehand and hitting a one-hand backhand with low top-spin or a higher spinning penetrating slice. The 18 gauge provides a little more spin. I volley a lot, so the feel at the net is mighty important.
Here's what I'm saying: I can't give a racket a fair tryout unless the strings in the racket are similar to what I'm use to.
Less skilled players question my use of 18-gauge strings. They wear out in a hurry (even by a flat hitter). I have several Radicals and keep three of them strung and rotate them in use. I play at least 5 days a week, and once a string breaks in one of the rackets, I figure, in my assessment, it's time to replace the strings by a significant loss in tension.
It goes with the territory. The better a tennis player plays, the more precise the player is about the racket and the strings. Every centimeter counts in the hitting of every shot.
But recently I mis-fired. From the baseline, I slapped a forehand to a line drive clearing the net by some four inches, yet it skidded barely beyond my opponent's baseline. I was perplexed. How can that be? I don't hit the ball that hard anymore.
Still I guess I did, a one timer. And I was highly satisfied with the blitzing shot streaking long.
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Casey 1988
Rookie
I have from 2002--2003 Some ProKennex Jr Pro Ace Power Contour aluminum racquets I fixed up and made more playable in grip etc. for all including original Red & Blue being bought in 2003--2033, however most are bought on e-Bay in 2023 and 2024.
My racquets are 4 of 6 Red & Blue here 1 of 2 Yellow & Black is going to be sent in for a restring as they ere supposed to be new unused but lied about 1 racquet. Most of Yellow & Black are 98 square inch head, but some if shiny Yellow & Black older Jr Ace Pro Power Contour are 95 square inch like how all Red & Blue are apparently when I thought the whole time since 2002 my racquet as a 98 square inch.
Reason I like Red & Blue back in day finding some of last in color because Yellow & Black was a made in China and QC on matte paint as well being crappy as later final end run models of Yellow & Black Jr Ace Pro Power Contour are a 4 inch grip over a 4 & 1/4 inch grip. I also love how light racquet
Also, I need to be careful online as some older 4 & 1/4 inch grip Yellow & Black models some are a 23 inch long model not a 25 inch/nearly 25 inch like Yellow & black so I would never buy a Yellow & Black unless model shows size on the seller listing or is a 4 inch grip as nearly all with 4 inch grip are a nearly 25 inch like size as 23 inch moved on to a cheap widebody frame Using a different name Ace Pro.
My racquets are 4 of 6 Red & Blue here 1 of 2 Yellow & Black is going to be sent in for a restring as they ere supposed to be new unused but lied about 1 racquet. Most of Yellow & Black are 98 square inch head, but some if shiny Yellow & Black older Jr Ace Pro Power Contour are 95 square inch like how all Red & Blue are apparently when I thought the whole time since 2002 my racquet as a 98 square inch.
Reason I like Red & Blue back in day finding some of last in color because Yellow & Black was a made in China and QC on matte paint as well being crappy as later final end run models of Yellow & Black Jr Ace Pro Power Contour are a 4 inch grip over a 4 & 1/4 inch grip. I also love how light racquet
Also, I need to be careful online as some older 4 & 1/4 inch grip Yellow & Black models some are a 23 inch long model not a 25 inch/nearly 25 inch like Yellow & black so I would never buy a Yellow & Black unless model shows size on the seller listing or is a 4 inch grip as nearly all with 4 inch grip are a nearly 25 inch like size as 23 inch moved on to a cheap widebody frame Using a different name Ace Pro.
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Casey 1988
Rookie
You can find on e-Bay old 110 models including Jr models, I would think if what you have is florescent Yellow and Royal Blue or fluorescent Yellow and a Teal, yes K-Mart sold model as a higher level cheap early titanium model around $40 in 2000's where it was made like a modern racquet and not a cheap aluminum model.
Casey 1988
Rookie
Is this your model? If so, it was sold at K-mart, possibly Walmart as well. This is exact one in picture is being sold on e-Bay right now, an odd model becuse in several Reach models 90% of them made up size by being a 105 width head only stretched out as a 110 square inch frame so shortening is hard to do. Above is Same era as My Red & Blue Jr Ace Pro Power Contour, though others like Percept below also currently being sold on e-Bay are exact same dimensions only possibly titanium or is a least using a modern head shape and not the common cheap aluminum head shape, also was in sold at K-Mart, possibly Walmart as well.
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bigjimbofan
Semi-Pro
Mine is a navy blue trimmed with gray.
Is this your model? If so, it was sold at K-mart, possibly Walmart as well. This is exact one in picture is being sold on e-Bay right now, an odd model becuse in several Reach models 90% of them made up size by being a 105 width head only stretched out as a 110 square inch frame so shortening is hard to do. Above is Same era as My Red & Blue Jr Ace Pro Power Contour, though others like Percept below also currently being sold on e-Bay are exact same dimensions only possibly titanium or is a least using a modern head shape and not the common cheap aluminum head shape, also was in sold at K-Mart, possibly Walmart as well.
Casey 1988
Rookie
Also, on e-Bay and was a mid 2000's early titanium model sold in USA Target mainly but also Walmart's that carried ProKennex. Yes, model says Reach on it very small on head opposite the handle side and is also on headcover if you look closely .
bigjimbofan
Semi-Pro
That's the one I have !
Also, on e-Bay and was a mid 2000's early titanium model sold in USA Target mainly but also Walmart's that carried ProKennex. Yes, model says Reach on it very small on head opposite the handle side and is also on headcover if you look closely .
Casey 1988
Rookie
Still have a few of model on e-bay now. just warning there is a later and older version. Difference is one has power dampener near top end of handle where triangle starts and other later only one so far without dampener in same colors only slightly off in second version having numbers on head in a light version from original. Models from what I remember seeing are only around 2004--2005 for original and 2007--2008 for the non dampener model. All of the reach Ti models besides the Aluminum Odyssey I posted above were some of the early titanium alloy models when titanium was first used mainly on the higher price cheap big box store racquets, however most big box sports stores did not carry said models unless in the bargain section for tennis or only online if sales in stores was not enough to justify carrying model.
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Casey 1988
Rookie
keep it even if only as a warmup tool where old racquet will shine.
Casey 1988
Rookie
Did you get any of the racquets for your game as a backup?
NicoMK
Hall of Fame
Modified in which way?
HBK4life
Hall of Fame
I cut it down a little. Makes it easier to swing.
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