How many repititions to learn a new tennis stroke?

[ByeByePoly]

Does anyone know of any article or data on the typical/expected number of repititions to learn a new tennis stroke. That obviously would depend on the definition of "learned or aquired the stroke", but I'm guessing as much tennis instruction exists now, somebody has taken a shot at quantifying that.

This came up in a conversation I was having with nytennisaddict. I went back and did a rough estimate on how many 2hbh I hit against the ball machine before it was even close to being called "learned/aquired". For me, it was 1000s. It really surprised me ... I would have guessed a fraction of that to get there. I see posts where the kick serve is suppose to be the hardest stroke to learn, but that wasn't my experience... definitely compared to the 2hbh.

If anyone has a related link ... post it. Also ... chime in with any experience or opinion ... even if it is "it took you that long because you suck". I am going to regret that last offer I'm sure.

Additional:

Would you expect an experienced player with a ohb to pick up the 2hbh faster than a beginner, or do they both start from scratch? The experienced ohb has to unlearn stuff ... but also has accumulated tennis stuff.

 

[mad dog1]

Answer: it depends on many factors

 

[heninfan99]

7,200 reps for a basic steady stroke

 

[sureshs]

10000 hours

 

[ByeByePoly]

7,200 reps for a basic steady stroke

That is about spot on what I experienced ... after 3 months (7500) pretty steady ... and in the 4th month up pace, spin and targets. Of course, that was mainly ball machine sessions, did not get to test with match play as much as I would have liked.

 

[ByeByePoly]

10000 hours

Whoa ... 8760 hours in a year ... 10,000 is a lot of 2hbh.

 

[heninfan99]

based on?

Based on myself learning a very basic two hander.

 

[r2473]

 

[dr7]

That is about spot on what I experienced ... after 3 months (7500) pretty steady ... and in the 4th month up pace, spin and targets. Of course, that was mainly ball machine sessions, did not get to test with match play as much as I would have liked.

All of these numbers are ridiculous. It depends on the person. Some people can pick it up in one day, others quite frankly may never master it.


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[movdqa]

For me it's six-months to make a major change like changing the grip on a stroke or going from a classic forehand to modern. That's doing practices, playing matches, etc. It just takes me a long time to unlearn things and then learn a new approach again. It's usually a rather unpleasant process so I count the cost before undertaking major changes.

 

[ByeByePoly]

For me it's six-months to make a major change like changing the grip on a stroke or going from a classic forehand to modern. That's doing practices, playing matches, etc. It just takes me a long time to unlearn things and then learn a new approach again. It's usually a rather unpleasant process so I count the cost before undertaking major changes.

I hear you ... I have always had to work hard to improve.

 

[dr7]

For me it's six-months to make a major change like changing the grip on a stroke or going from a classic forehand to modern. That's doing practices, playing matches, etc. It just takes me a long time to unlearn things and then learn a new approach again. It's usually a rather unpleasant process so I count the cost before undertaking major changes.

Was going from classic to modern an example or are you actually doing it?


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[ByeByePoly]

A semi-serious Junior will practice 7500 backhands in 3 weeks. That's not even remotely enough to master a stroke.

And yet ... we could all hit the ball with the baseball bat first swing as a kid ... tennis is HARD

 

[jm1980]

Andy Murray said on video that he hits at least 50,000 serves a year in practice and matches. That's 50,000 serves to basically maintain what he already has.

Here is said video (1:30 for the quote)

 

[3fees]

Depends on your level of proficiency and acceptance, Higher level players can do it faster, example- learned 2hbh, now trying 1hbh, Higher level player will be comfortable with it in a few sessions, lower level player more time is needed.

Cheers
3Fees

 

[ByeByePoly]

Here is said video (1:30 for the quote)

"Chopper grip" ... I love it ... will repeat that one.

 

[steve s]

Once, if you are a quick learner.