How many sets will Rafa drop on clay this year?

How many sets will he drop?

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Deleted member 756486

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i think we all know that it’s a foregone conclusion that Rafa will sweep clay this year.

So how many sets will he lose? Could he do it without dropping a set?
 

ibbi

Hall of Fame
He's nowhere near as comfortable or dominant in Madrid and Rome as he is at the two he just played, so I'd say there's a pretty good chance that sets are dropped. We'll see how he's feeling come Rome too as if he does win Madrid then fatigue may start to become an issue (I guess he'll be helped in that department by missing most of the hard court season, but we'll see)
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
Nadal might not drop a set. In 2010, he went 22-0 and only dropped 2 sets during the entire clay season. Alamagro and Gulbis took a set off of Nadal that year. At RG, Alamagro pushed Nadal to two tiebreakers.

Federer in 2017 won Wimby for the first time without dropping a set. I have a feeling that Nadal win the entire clay season without dropping a set.
 
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Deleted member 756486

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Whoever guesses correctly wins a free holiday to an exotic island.




Not really.
 

StANDAA

Legend
Borg really should come out of retirement and play the clay this year, so what that he’ll lose to Nadal in the finals, he will still add at least some more final appearences to his legacy. With a field like that not even 61 year old Borg should have a problem reaching a final of a clay court tournament.
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
I love how a month ago everyone was talking about how "there's no way Rafa can defend all his tittles from last year."

Now at the end of April it's not about if he'll defend them, but if he'll even drop a set lmao.
This is clay.Of course he will defend them - no question about it.But on HC it could be different story
 

MeatTornado

Legend
This is clay.Of course he will defend them - no question about it.But on HC it could be different story
I'm referring to when Rafa pulled out of Acapulco/IW/Miami and posters kept saying his body won't hold up enough to even play all the clay events, let alone win them.
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
i think we all know that it’s a foregone conclusion that Rafa will sweep clay this year.

So how many sets will he lose? Could he do it without dropping a set?
When you think he needs to drop more than two or three sets in the same match, you find the end of the matches streak unlikely.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I love how a month ago everyone was talking about how "there's no way Rafa can defend all his tittles from last year."

Now at the end of April it's not about if he'll defend them, but if he'll even drop a set lmao.
Nonsense, a number of posters here (myself included) still predicted and expected he'll dominate clay easily. People who didn't, just have very short memories.

Whatever injuries Nadal may or may not have on HC/grass are irrelevant when it comes to clay, he's in top shape there 9 out of 10 times, that has been the case for his whole career.
 

Plamen1234

Hall of Fame
I'm referring to when Rafa pulled out of Acapulco/IW/Miami and posters kept saying his body won't hold up enough to even play all the clay events, let alone win them.

Well people should see the clay field.There is no real challenger to Nadal there.The only guy who defeated him the last year got destroyed by Nadal in MC.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
He's nowhere near as comfortable or dominant in Madrid and Rome as he is at the two he just played, so I'd say there's a pretty good chance that sets are dropped. We'll see how he's feeling come Rome too as if he does win Madrid then fatigue may start to become an issue (I guess he'll be helped in that department by missing most of the hard court season, but we'll see)
Fatigued by Rome? He's been winning all of his clay court matches in easy straight sets!

But who cares if he doesn't sweep all of the clay court warm-up tournaments before RG? He'll win RG, the one that matters unless he's caught in a typhoon or injures himself somehow. Who can possibly take three sets off him at RG? Seriously? It would have to be somebody who is playing the match of his life on the day whereas Nadal would have to be playing subpar and it would be a complete shock and come out of nowhere like the Soderling win. Good luck with that.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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Still think he's an "old" 32 year old? With 1001 injuries?
Scheheradal has always played with at least 1001 injuries, but has managed to win almost every time.

I would say that he could lose a set in Madrid, where a big serve is helped by the conditions, so a good server (or a big hitter) could take a set of him. Klizan almost (and should have) won the set in Barcelona, so I don't see why someone couldn't do the same where the pace is faster.
 

RF-18

G.O.A.T.
Nadal fakes injuries off clay so he can rest up for clay season. He's done it many times over the years.
I still believe he didn't fake it against Cilic. Feels would be too extreme as he was leading the match. No way he gives up against Cilic like that but I Think he overexaggerated the injury for sure. Somewhere in the back of his mind he was thinking about clay and didn't want to risk it, for sure. But he did not fake it though IMO, there was something minor there that kept him from going 100%. And Nadal is so obsessed about clay he'd never risk it for anything.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal fakes injuries off clay so he can rest up for clay season. He's done it many times over the years.
And that's what's saving him and enabling him to compete so well at age 32.

I don't think he faked an injury vs Cilic. That makes no sense. If he stayed in that match and was healthy, there would have been a 95% chance Cilic would have choked.
 

RF-18

G.O.A.T.
EDIT: to retirate on my above post

lets say Nadal played that match against Cilic on CLAY at RG, and lets imagine everything about the match stays the same - we are just changing the surface. Do you guys think Nadal would play through the injury and give everything to win? And if he won, continue to play the tournament on painkillers? Thats the interesting one here.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
I still believe he didn't fake it against Cilic.
Of course he was injured against Cilic but it was a minor injury not career threatening with Nadal crying in Acapulco and whatever the whole show was.

Most pros play while carrying some injury or another, often it's a judgement call whether to play or not. It's extremely rarely such a binary state where you're either 100% or not being able to walk on court.

I do feel Nadal has skipped big tournaments (including slams) on HC/grass in the past where he felt he wasn't in good enough of a physical and mental shape to win but could have still competed, in order to save his body from the grind of the tour and prolong his career. If that makes me a Nadal hater, I'm fine with that, it's what I believe. In my eyes Nadal is not an injury prone player in the vein of Kurten, Delpo, Hewitt, Pim-Pim and such who've had their entire careers sidelined whereas Nadal had 10 straight slam winning years (something Fed and Sampars couldn't do).
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
EDIT: to retirate on my above post

lets say Nadal played that match against Cilic on CLAY at RG, and lets imagine everything about the match stays the same - we are just changing the surface. Do you guys think Nadal would play through the injury and give everything to win? And if he won, continue to play the tournament on painkillers? Thats the interesting one here.
Don't think it would have been the same situation in the first place as Nadal wouldn't be put on defensive as much as he was on a fast-ish HC by Cilic's power. Nadal dictates much more often on clay with his FH compared to other surfaces.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Of course he was injured against Cilic but it was a minor injury not career threatening with Nadal crying in Acapulco and whatever the whole show was.

Most pros play while carrying some injury or another, often it's a judgement call whether to play or not. It's extremely rarely such a binary state where you're either 100% or not being able to walk on court.

I do feel Nadal has skipped big tournaments (including slams) on HC/grass in the past where he felt he wasn't in good enough of a physical and mental shape to win but could have still competed, in order to save his body from the grind of the tour and prolong his career. If that makes me a Nadal hater, I'm fine with that, it's what I believe. In my eyes Nadal is not an injury prone player in the vein of Kurten, Delpo, Hewitt, Pim-Pim and such who've had their entire careers sidelined whereas Nadal had 10 straight slam winning years (something Fed and Sampars couldn't do).
yeah, he could've played in Acapulco, IW , Miami if he wanted to, IMO. Injury in AO was legit, but he'd recovered by the time Acapulco came around.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Scheheradal has always played with at least 1001 injuries, but has managed to win almost every time.

I would say that he could lose a set in Madrid, where a big serve is helped by the conditions, so a good server (or a big hitter) could take a set of him. Klizan almost (and should have) won the set in Barcelona, so I don't see why someone couldn't do the same where the pace is faster.
Yep, if there a tourney on clay where Nadal's vulnerable it's Madrid . Of course at this stage of his career given Rome's proximity to FO he isn't as sure of a bet as he was there before either. Hamburg and then Madrid used to be the last CC tourney before FO, can't remember when did the calendar switch occur.
 

VladBurn

Rookie
I'm referring to when Rafa pulled out of Acapulco/IW/Miami and posters kept saying his body won't hold up enough to even play all the clay events, let alone win them.
While I get your point and I agree with your previous post, I gotta say that it's a bit too early to judge the posters who said his body wont hold up for ALL of the clay tournaments, after all he hasnt played every clay tournament so far, so let's wait a bit more and see how it goes.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
yeah, he could've played in Acapulco, IW , Miami if he wanted to, IMO. Injury in AO was legit, but he'd recovered by the time Acapulco came around.
I mean, he destroyed two players in BO5 matches on clay in DC few days after Miami. I don't blame him, it's his schedule but I also don't buy that he wasn't able to play.
 

RF-18

G.O.A.T.
Don't think it would have been the same situation in the first place as Nadal wouldn't be put on defensive as much as he was on a fast-ish HC by Cilic's power. Nadal dictates much more often on clay with his FH compared to other surfaces.
You can rupture your thigh from a simple movement. But let's just imagine the exact same thing that happened at AO happened at RG. Lets play around with our thoughts here.

I believe if this was the scenario, he'd play on and give everything to win. Cause clay is so high up in his priorities, he wouldn't mind taking a break after and miss the grass season. That's how high clay season is for him
 
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Deleted member 512391

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Yep, if there a tourney on clay where Nadal's vulnerable it's Madrid . Of course at this stage of his career given Rome's proximity to FO he isn't as sure of a bet as he was there before either. Hamburg and then Madrid used to be the last CC tourney before FO, can't remember when did the calendar switch occur.
I think that he'll be fresher compared to the last year because he skipped all the HC tournaments after the AO, so he could still win all three Masters and still have enough energy to lift the RG trophy. We shall see.

The switch occurred in 2011 I think.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I mean, he destroyed two players in BO5 matches on clay in DC few days after Miami. I don't blame him, it's his schedule but I also don't buy that he wasn't able to play.
true. Its a bit surprising isn't it ? fed going down on grass in 10-11, but then bouncing back on it.
Rafa does the same. Goes down in 15-16 on clay, but then bounces back.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I think that he'll be fresher compared to the last year because he skipped all the HC tournaments after the AO, so he could still win all three Masters and still have enough energy to lift the RG trophy. We shall see.

The switch occurred in 2011 I think.
I do remember Djoko beating Nadal in Madrid first followed by Rome in 2011.
So it had definitely switched by then.
 
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Deleted member 512391

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I do remember Djoko beating Nadal in Madrid first followed by Rome in 2011.
So it had definitely switched by then.
I remember Gulbis beating Fed in Rome 2010 and then lost to him in Madrid the same year, so it happened somewhere between 2010 and 2011.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
You can rupture your thigh from a simple movement. But let's just imagine the exact same thing that happened at AO happened at RG. Lets play around with our thoughts here.

I believe if this was the scenario, he'd play on and give everything to win. Cause clay is so high up in his priorities, he wouldn't mind taking a break after and miss the grass season. That's how high clay season is for him
Sure, i believe you're right. Kinda what happened with Fed in 2016, missed FO and then took 6 months off but in-between he still gave Wimbledon a shot despite struggling physically.
 
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Deleted member 756486

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Looks like most think Rafa will drop no sets on clay this year..

Only a zoning PCB can save us.
 

justasport

Professional
After that he will win Queens and be very confident heading into Wimbledon. Only Federer will be able to stop him there, but will Federer make the final is the question?
 
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Deleted member 756486

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Well that’s 2 already dropped and both in the same match! Surely he won’t drop much more going forward?
 

justasport

Professional
Boy am I eating crow right now!! What a great match from Thiem!! I did not think he had it in him, but I was very wrong!! Still think Rafa is clear favorite for Rome and Roland Garros, but the confidence and aura have definitely taken a right hook on the chin today!! Will Rafa do like he always does and get up off the canvas immediately, or does this linger and we get a new grand slam champion at Roland Garros this year? Perhaps, maybe Novak can find his best form and win his 2nd RG title!! At least the European clay court season just got a lot more interesting and fun to watch!!
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
Boy am I eating crow right now!! What a great match from Thiem!! I did not think he had it in him, but I was very wrong!! Still think Rafa is clear favorite for Rome and Roland Garros, but the confidence and aura have definitely taken a right hook on the chin today!! Will Rafa do like he always does and get up off the canvas immediately, or does this linger and we get a new grand slam champion at Roland Garros this year? Perhaps, maybe Novak can find his best form and win his 2nd RG title!! At least the European clay court season just got a lot more interesting and fun to watch!!
I can definitely tell you that there is no risk at all you eat crow again because of Djokovic.
 
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