How many slam titles does Serena need to set "real" slam mark

How many slams does Serena need for real slam record

  • 20

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • 21

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 22

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 23

    Votes: 6 85.7%

  • Total voters
    7

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Banned
Everyone knows the slam mark of Court is fake. 24 slams but 11 at the Australian, when she couldn't win more than 5 anywhere else. The 22 of Graf could also be questioned due to the Seles stabbing. These are unique circumstances that go beyond the usual tedious tough and weak competition theories. There is a big difference between weak competition, and the competition (Australian Open for Court, Seles for Graf) not even being there.

So with that in mind how many slams does Serena need to set the new real slam mark. Anything from 20 (1 more than Wills) or 23 (1 more than Graf) seems a feasible option.
 

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I picked 20. I think Graf could have still won 21 or 22 slams even without the Seles stabbing but it is still enough of an asterisk on her record it hauls her down to about the 19 of Wills in peoples credibility. Court should be considered only 18 at most since the most she won at any real slam was 5 so should be given only 5 at the Australian too. So that leaves:

Wills Moody 19
Graf 19 (real mark)
Evert 18
Navratilova 18
Court 18 (real mark)

Serena with 20 sets the new real record.
 

BTURNER

Legend
Everyone knows the slam mark of Court is fake. 24 slams but 11 at the Australian, when she couldn't win more than 5 anywhere else. The 22 of Graf could also be questioned due to the Seles stabbing. These are unique circumstances that go beyond the usual tedious tough and weak competition theories. There is a big difference between weak competition, and the competition (Australian Open for Court, Seles for Graf) not even being there.

So with that in mind how many slams does Serena need to set the new real slam mark. Anything from 20 (1 more than Wills) or 23 (1 more than Graf) seems a feasible option.

I just so disagree with the notion that there was anything that special about Seles that without her presence, the majors were not majors anymore but fake ones, for specific labeled and noted players and the work, effort and victories are all compromised for Graf because Seles was not in her draw.

We did not decide that Court did not deserve her majors when Bueno who was number 1 was severely ill. We did not put asteriks behind Evert's wins after Austin's back went out. Or king's majors when Court went out pregnant. We sure did not do it for those women who got majors after Connolly got thrown from her horse.

NO SINGLE PLAYER has ever had the power to deprive anyone of a major or turn it into a 'fake ' major simply by not being in the draw to beat or put asteriks behind the round victories of everyone who would not have beaten that single player. We should not do it now. Graf does not have to beat 'prime Seles, to win a major. She has to beat the people in her draw.

That is what you forget. You cannot just put that asterisk behind Graf and not behind everyone in the entire tour who gained ranking, prestige and credibility for reaching heights in tournaments they would not have reached had they met Seles. You have to put the asterisk on the women's tour including Gabriela Sabatini, Sanchez, Fernandez, Navratilova, Capriati, Martinez, Maleeva, Novatna, Huber, Pierce during those years. They all gained benefit victories and a greater legacy because Seles got stabbed.


you cannot put an asterisk behind one champion (Graf) without asking how many other champions got fortunate, when for periods of months or years their great rival was out of commission.

Tennis elite told the world and players that women's tour would go on, the majors would be played and the trophies given. That one act of terror ought not compromise the sport. Graf worked and trained just like the rest of the tour on that basis. We did not tell her there would be 'half-credit' given to her alone, among all players or all time because someone stabbed one of her opponents.
 
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YaoPau

Rookie
How about let's not compare Slams. Slam counting wasn't really a thing until around Graf's time, and even Graf herself skipped six Australian Opens.

To even mention Court and Slam Count together to try to compare her to Serena is completely missing the point.
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
Yeah like womens tennis ever has a tough field. Atleast Serena once faced a tough field, which is more than you can say for anyone else.

Women's tennis has had some fields tougher than others. The current crop by far is the weakest. Give Serena credit for half a slam for each slam won during this... the dark ages of women's tennis. :|
 

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Banned
Women's tennis has had some fields tougher than others. The current crop by far is the weakest. Give Serena credit for half a slam for each slam won during this... the dark ages of women's tennis. :|

The 82-87 field Navratilova dominated was even worse than this. Especialy 82-84, never has womens tennis seen such a talentless field with nobody who can even play tennis outside the first 2 or 3.

The post stabbing field that Graf dominated was a joke. Not only was Seles gone, but Capriati, Navratilova, Sabatini, Ferandez, all fizzled out too.

The 11 Australian Opens Court won were a joke. Even her 5 French Opens in an era of only grass specialists.

Meanwhile no women in history has faced a tougher or deeper field than what Serena faced from 98-2005.
 

struggle

Legend
to set the "real" slam mark, she'll need to win the most slams.

she's already the greatest to ever play the game.

keep sweatin' it.
 
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