How many slam-winning years do you think Nadal will have left when he hits 14 slams?

[NadalAgassi]

Federer isnt as good as he was in 2009. That is crazy. Federer won 4 of his 6 majors, including one of each from September 2008-January 2010. He isnt even close to capable of something like that now.

On grass though he has declined much more than any other surface. In the last 2 years he has lost to his pigeon Hewitt in the grandpa stage of his career in a grass final, would have lost Falla in the 1st round of Wimbledon without a bigtime choke, was brutally overpowered and hit off the court by Berdych at Wimbledon in the quarterfinal round, and lost from 2 sets to 0 up to Tsonga at Wimbledon in the quarterfinal round. In 2009 he won Wimbledon, and cruised through the draw until being pushed hard by an on fire Roddick in the final. Federer 2004-2007 on grass > 2009 Federer >>>>>>>>> Federer of late on grass.

Please get off your crackpipe.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

You're just overestimating Fed's 2009 level. It isn't only about slam wins. You have to look at the bigger picture. I also don't think that you understand that Fed is playing much better now than he was in 2010 and most of 2011.

At 2009 AO he lost to Nadal, just like he did this year. However, he did better in 2009 since the surface didn't play quite like clay yet.

At 2009 RG, he struggled against Haas and Del Potro, narrowly beating both of them.

He did cruise through most of Wimbledon before having a hell of a time against Roddick. And I expect him to win Wimbledon again this year. Like I said, his level now is much higher than it was in 2010 and most of 2011. He wouldn't lose to Berdych or Tsonga again.

 

[Tenez101]

ROTFL, only ****s would think at this point drawing Federer in slams is a potential roadblock for Nadal to win future slams. In fact there is nobody of the top guys who Nadal would rather see in any slam. This has been true for over 4 years now, if not longer.

Well Fed won their last encounter. Thus, he officially "owns" Nadal now.

 

[Tenez101]

TBH, i really do think Nadal has atleast 2+ years left in him. Remember about 3 years ago when people said he would retire at 25-27. Nadal's reaching 26 and he his fitter than ever. He may still plat at a very high level till the end of 2014, if not more.

People have been saying he'll burn out for years now, but he's still going strong. I think he will play until 30 tbh, and pretty sure he will come close to Fed's slam count, if not surpassing it.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Nadal posts decent results during the hard clay season then wins his favourite tournament and now everyone acts like he hasn't declined. Newsflash: Fed won WTF in 2010 despite playing like crap the rest of the year.

Nadal won't win a single tournament after clay season. I'll be surprised if he makes the finals of either Wimby or USO.

 

[Tenez101]

Ok, if you do know a lot about tennis then you obviously did watch Nadal's current GS finals. Plz tell me if you have watched him being physically broken down in ANY of these matches...

How about USO '11?

 

[mandy01]

Nadal posts decent results during the hard clay season then wins his favourite tournament and now everyone acts like he hasn't declined. Newsflash: Fed won WTF in 2010 despite playing like crap the rest of the year.

Nadal won't win a single tournament after clay season. I'll be surprised if he makes the finals of either Wimby or USO.

He's made the final every year he's played since 2006. Reached the finals last year without dropping a set. What makes you think he can't do it again?

 

[WhiskeyEE]

He's made the final every year he's played since 2006. Reached the finals last year without dropping a set. What makes you think he can't do it again?

He can, but it depends on his draw. Unlike certain others I didn't see his decline as much last year. I see his decline this year. He's lost a step and I think it will really show on quicker courts.

 

[laughingbuddha]

Well, by French open 2013 he is bound to have 14 slams, so I would say 12 or 13 more years after that.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

I don't put anybody on ignore. I am not on here enough and don't take it that seriously, it is only a tennis forum after all. You tend to make very outlandish predictions about Nadal that are unrealistic and even some of the more nutty obsessive Nadal fans tend to think so. In any case, whatever.

Re Nadal, I think he will likely win around 13-14 slams total but this is tennis where things change all the time and as soon as you think one thing will happen, something else does.

That's because a lot of Nadal fans will be proven wrong and I will be one of the correct Nadal fans when its all said and done. AND your excuse is lame. Use your ignore list.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

You're just overestimating Fed's 2009 level. It isn't only about slam wins. You have to look at the bigger picture. I also don't think that you understand that Fed is playing much better now than he was in 2010 and most of 2011.

At 2009 AO he lost to Nadal, just like he did this year. However, he did better in 2009 since the surface didn't play quite like clay yet.

At 2009 RG, he struggled against Haas and Del Potro, narrowly beating both of them.

He did cruise through most of Wimbledon before having a hell of a time against Roddick. And I expect him to win Wimbledon again this year. Like I said, his level now is much higher than it was in 2010 and most of 2011. He wouldn't lose to Berdych or Tsonga again.

Berdych is a lot better now than he was 2 years ago. And Tsonga is great vs the finesse players like Federer. Tsonga on his day can really force Federer back on his heels by charging the net.

 

[monfed]

Till 2030, even then I'm still underestimating the Nadal.

 

[WhiskeyEE]

Berdych is a lot better now than he was 2 years ago. And Tsonga is great vs the finesse players like Federer. Tsonga on his day can really force Federer back on his heels by charging the net.

Berdych was lucky to get the wins he did when Fed was playing the worst tennis of his career. His days of beating Roger are over.

Tsonga is a dangerous opponent for anyone when he's on. But I don't see 2012 Fed losing to him at Wimbledon even when he is. But I guess there's a slight chance. He's one of the few who could take out Roger at Wimby this year.

 

[Mike Sams]

Nadal will retire with 20 Slams. His career really is only getting started. I see 6 more Roland Garros, 2 more Wimbledon, 1 AO and 1 USO.

 

[mandy01]

Till 2030, even then I'm still underestimating the Nadal.

What would be the percentage of wheelchair-Nadal winning slams?

 

[BULLZ1LLA2.0]

Nadal will retire with 20 Slams. His career really is only getting started. I see 6 more Roland Garros, 2 more Wimbledon, 1 AO and 1 USO.

Unless someone apart from Djackoff comes along, anything could happen. Djackoff is the only challenger.

 

[Cup8489]

Unless someone apart from Djackoff comes along, anything could happen. Djackoff is the only challenger.

LOLOLOL. NSK and Trollzilla 2.. this thread has reached a level of silliness that only these two nincompoops can bring it to!

 

[BULLZ1LLA2.0]

LOLOLOL. NSK and Trollzilla 2.. this thread has reached a level of silliness that only these two nincompoops can bring it to!

But check out your post history, the dumbest posting ever recorded on any forum anywhere on the internet.

 

[Cup8489]

But check out your post history, the dumbest posting ever recorded on any forum anywhere on the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGN10NkI8xg

UH OH I AM THE DUMBEST POSTER EVER, IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERWEB.

LOL.

The irony of YOU saying that is not lost on me, but you've probably not a clue what irony is.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

You are both posting like garbage on my thread. Reported you both for trolling.

 

[Cup8489]

You are both posting like garbage on my thread. Reported you both for trolling.

Self-reporting is possible? :twisted:

 

[Mike Sams]

Unless someone apart from Djackoff comes along, anything could happen. Djackoff is the only challenger.

Djokovic is younger than Nadal and has played far far less tennis on the pro tour than Nadal. Djokovic is going to be a very difficult obstacle for Nadal in all Grand Slams. Djokovic has 5 Grand Slams lest you forget. If you're thinking a 5 time Slam champion and reigning world #1 is suddenly going to just go away, you're going to be very sadly mistaken. :lol:

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Self-reporting is possible? :twisted:

It's like that scene in Fight Club, where he puts a gun in his mouth and blows the side of his face off.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

It's like that scene in Fight Club, where he puts a gun in his mouth and blows the side of his face off.

only difference is that it's not his face nadull_fail_queen/DULLZ1LLETTE4.3alpha blew off... but 'their' brain (and it must have happened a looong time ago).

 

[Frying Pan Forehand]

As i see it, Nadal has big chances in passing Federer's slam count, there is only one man to stop him and that won't stay like so forever.

 

[Cup8489]

As i see it, Nadal has big chances in passing Federer's slam count, there is only one man to stop him and that won't stay like so forever.

Neither will Nadal's ability to win multiple slams in a year. Everyone acts like he is gonna win them for forever; he's got 6 more to tie Fed, and even if he maintains slam winning levels for 3 or 4 more years, he's still gotta AVERAGE 2 slams per year, with a guy who does everything he does better and is in better shape and has less mileage.

 

[Frying Pan Forehand]

Neither will Nadal's ability to win multiple slams in a year. Everyone acts like he is gonna win them for forever; he's got 6 more to tie Fed, and even if he maintains slam winning levels for 3 or 4 more years, he's still gotta AVERAGE 2 slams per year, with a guy who does everything he does better and is in better shape and has less mileage.

Or he could go in a killing spree with 3 slams this year and it is pretty much over. He is 26 and i don't buy the whole mileage thingy.

 

[Frying Pan Forehand]

the nadal guy is pretty hard to kill so i don't see him losing in the near future to players outside top 4 too often.

 

[Cup8489]

Or he could go in a killing spree with 3 slams this year and it is pretty much over. He is 26 and i don't buy the whole mileage thingy.

Let's make a bet. I say there's no way in hell he wins 3 this year.

 

[Frying Pan Forehand]

Let's make a bet. I say there's no way in hell he wins 3 this year.

If you want let's make it that he wins 3 out of the next 5...3 out of 3 it's a bit to tough even if Djoker fades away...i'm not a mindless *******, not even a nadal fan.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

Let's make a bet. I say there's no way in hell he wins 3 this year.

It will be BYE BYE FEDERER if Nadal does win 3 this year, which I think he will. I can see why you won't even consider it, it would be torture for you.

 

[Cup8489]

If you want let's make it that he wins 3 out of the next 5...3 out of 3 it's a bit to tough even if Djoker fades away...i'm not a mindless *******, not even a nadal fan.

3 of the next five includes the FO next year; i feel that's being too generous. 3 of the next 4 if you're so confident, one calendar year.

It will be BYE BYE FEDERER if Nadal does win 3 this year, which I think he will. I can see why you won't even consider it, it would be torture for you.

I wouldn't care, but he's not going to do it. Fed has 16, I dont need to sweat anything.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

Well, 16 is nothing if Nadal has 13 at the end of 2012. Nadal would be able to win the rest with French Opens alone (though you know the French Open usually leads to Wimbledon title). He would have a legit shot at around 18-20 if he has 13 at the end of this year, because that would mean he's in his absolute prime entering 2013.

 

[Frying Pan Forehand]

3 of the next five includes the FO next year; i feel that's being too generous. 3 of the next 4 if you're so confident, one calendar year.

Ok, just for fun.

 

[Cup8489]

Well, 16 is nothing if Nadal has 13 at the end of 2012. Nadal would be able to win the rest with French Opens alone (though you know the French Open usually leads to Wimbledon title). He would have a legit shot at around 18-20 if he has 13 at the end of this year, because that would mean he's in his absolute prime entering 2013.

No it doesn't, lol. Nadal has won the FO 6 times. only a third of those were followed by a Wimbledon title. 33%? Not too good lol. And that's nuts considering that Nadal hasn't won a major in nearly a year, and it's a HUGE assumption that he'd win 3 or more MORE FO's. You're saying you expect him to Finish with at least 9 FO's, a higher tally than any pro in history has ever won at any event?

That's a gigantic stretch.

Ok, just for fun.

agreed.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

Sampras holds the record for the most times a player has won a particular slam - 7 Wimbledons. Do you seriously think Nadal will stop at 7 Roland Garros titles? :lol: He's gunning for his 7th this year, and he's not even dropping sets on clay. He'll probably still be winning Roland Garros in his early 30s. Especially if nobody steps up to replace Djokovic and Federer. Raonic looks so clumsy, so easy for Nadal to exploit him. Tomic is not a clay player. Dolg is the only hope.

 

[Cup8489]

Sampras holds the record for the most times a player has won a particular slam - 7 Wimbledons. Do you seriously think Nadal will stop at 7 Roland Garros titles? :lol: He's gunning for his 7th this year, and he's not even dropping sets on clay. He'll probably still be winning Roland Garros in his early 30s. Especially if nobody steps up to replace Djokovic and Federer. Raonic looks so clumsy, so easy for Nadal to exploit him. Tomic is not a clay player. Dolg is the only hope.

Lol... just lol. Nadal to win FO's into his 30's... can I quote you when the time comes?

 

[NadalAgassi]

I think 10 Roland Garros title would be the maximum for Nadal. He isnt a spring chicken and I highly doubt with his playing style he would win many (or any) slams in his 30s, even Roland Garros. I think something in the range of 7-9 is more likely than 10 however. Djokovic will probably win atleast 1 Roland Garros title in the next 4-5 years, maybe even two. Del Potro or someone else might even win one as well. Staying at 6 is probably about equally likely to 10, both highly unlikely that is.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

Lol... just lol. Nadal to win FO's into his 30's... can I quote you when the time comes?

Of course, I hope people do remember how accurate my statements were. People thought Nadal would be retired by age 26. I read it all over the internet, ESPN, Yahoo, several other messageboards. And now when Nadal clean sweeps the clay schedule at almost age 26, they still won't learn their lesson. Now it's age 30 that Nadal is supposed to drop of the earth somehow and not be able to win on clay :lol:

 

[nadal_slam_king]

I think 10 Roland Garros title would be the maximum for Nadal. He isnt a spring chicken and I highly doubt with his playing style he would win many (or any) slams in his 30s, even Roland Garros. I think something in the range of 7-9 is more likely than 10 however. Djokovic will probably win atleast 1 Roland Garros title in the next 4-5 years, maybe even two. Del Potro or someone else might even win one as well.

Del Potro couldn't even beat Federer in 2009 RG - Del Potro's prime. It would have to be a player from the next generation, someone without any scars.

 

[NadalAgassi]

Del Potro couldn't even beat Federer in 2009 RG - Del Potro's prime. It would have to be a player from the next generation, someone without any scars.

If Del Potro can get his confidence and fitness fully back (a big if), and gain some momentum he could have a new prime. He was very young in 2009, only 20, he SHOULD be able to hit a higher level someday. Whether he will or not remains to be seen. The Del Potro overhype on this forum is absurd, the guy didnt even win a Masters title in his best year, but I still am not ready to write him off entirely from winning any future slams. Likewise it wouldnt surprise me if he never wins another (and maybe never wins a first Masters either). He is just a big question mark at this point. Lots of potential still, but the clock is ticking.

 

[nadal_slam_king]

If Del Potro can get his confidence and fitness fully back (a big if), and gain some momentum he could have a new prime. He was very young in 2009, only 20, he SHOULD be able to hit a higher level someday. Whether he will or not remains to be seen. The Del Potro overhype on this forum is absurd, the guy didnt even win a Masters title in his best year, but I still am not ready to write him off entirely from winning any future slams. Likewise it wouldnt surprise me if he never wins another (and maybe never wins a first Masters either). He is just a big question mark at this point. Lots of potential still, but the clock is ticking.

Yep, and when Del Potro did whoop Nadal, it was in 2009 Nadal's worst year when everything was going wrong for him. So it was a bit misleading. And Federer seems to love playing Del Potro overall. But I agree if anyone of this generation were to come up and challenge Nadal on clay it would be Del Potro, because I think Tsonga and Berdych aren't very good on clay. Tsonga even struggles to beat Nadal on hardcourt. And Berdych is Nadal's favorite bunny. Murray I guess is a chance if he keeps improving on clay.

 

[Cup8489]

Yep, and when Del Potro did whoop Nadal, it was in 2009 Nadal's worst year when everything was going wrong for him. So it was a bit misleading. And Federer seems to love playing Del Potro overall. But I agree if anyone of this generation were to come up and challenge Nadal on clay it would be Del Potro, because I think Tsonga and Berdych aren't very good on clay. Tsonga even struggles to beat Nadal on hardcourt. And Berdych is Nadal's favorite bunny. Murray I guess is a chance if he keeps improving on clay.

why can't you ever accept a loss as a loss and move on with it? you always make an excuse!

And since when is the clay season over after MC and Barcelona? Not really any surprises there, especially with Ferrer in the Barca final! Madrid Rome and RG remain, and I'd be very surprised if Rafa doesn't lose at least one of these events. Get real dude.

 

[Sentinel]

Or he could go in a killing spree with 3 slams this year and it is pretty much over. He is 26 and i don't buy the whole mileage thingy.

the nadal guy is pretty hard to kill so i don't see him losing in the near future to players outside top 4 too often.

Every year they'll get tougher. He'll have to face someone like Murray in the semis and then Noel in the final. Sadly, Noel has ruined Nadal's party.

 

[swordtennis]

Nadal is clear favorite for The French this year that is for sure.
Confused on the Djokovic thing right now.
Is Djokovic played out mentally from the court brawls he has done and his GF death?
If he can get pumped and motivated for the French Open he just might come out of the gates there crazed from embarrassing beat downs at Monte Carlo, Madrid and Rome by Nadal.
We shall see if Djokovic can stop the bleeding at Madrid might be interesting.

 

[West Coast Ace]

We shall see if Djokovic can stop the bleeding at Madrid might be interesting.

LOL! Bleeding? Won AO. Won Miami. SF at IW. Yeah, that's a Death Spiral.

 

[Cup8489]

LOL! Bleeding? Won AO. Won Miami. SF at IW. Yeah, that's a Death Spiral.

He'll never recover from the loss of MC. It shall haunt him to the end of his days.

/sarcasm

 

[swordtennis]

LOL! Bleeding? Won AO. Won Miami. SF at IW. Yeah, that's a Death Spiral.

LMAO! Ok maybe not dramatic bleeding from the carotid artery. Bruised?
However it was the first meeting on clay and giving Nadal just an inch on that surface can not be beneficial just saying.

 

[tennis_pro]

If Del Potro can get his confidence and fitness fully back (a big if), and gain some momentum he could have a new prime. He was very young in 2009, only 20, he SHOULD be able to hit a higher level someday. Whether he will or not remains to be seen. The Del Potro overhype on this forum is absurd, the guy didnt even win a Masters title in his best year, but I still am not ready to write him off entirely from winning any future slams. Likewise it wouldnt surprise me if he never wins another (and maybe never wins a first Masters either). He is just a big question mark at this point. Lots of potential still, but the clock is ticking.

Neither am I. There's also a good reason for it - the lack of great up and comers aged 18-21. Apart from Raonic and MAYBE Tomic/Harrison who still need another good 2-3 years to mature there's no-one new on the horizon.

As long as he keeps hanging around ranked 5-15 (and stays injury free) he'll have his chances in the future, I'm sure.

 

[tennis_pro]

Yep, and when Del Potro did whoop Nadal, it was in 2009 Nadal's worst year when everything was going wrong for him. So it was a bit misleading. And Federer seems to love playing Del Potro overall. But I agree if anyone of this generation were to come up and challenge Nadal on clay it would be Del Potro, because I think Tsonga and Berdych aren't very good on clay. Tsonga even struggles to beat Nadal on hardcourt. And Berdych is Nadal's favorite bunny. Murray I guess is a chance if he keeps improving on clay.

You do know, however, that Del Potro beat Nadal in Miami back in 2009 when Nadal was on a roll?