How many slams do you think Jannik Sinner will end with

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Sinner is by far the number 1 in 2024. This is first player who has won 11000 pts in a year since Big 3 + Murray.
Since the mandatory tournaments got enforced, only 5 players have won more than 11000 pts. Big 3 + Murray + Sampras.

How far do you see Sinner going?

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A lot of luck is needed to avoid injuries. He could get hurt.

But I think that he has the ability to do the following, as far as peak goes:

3 different seasons with 2+ slam titles, 65+ match wins, and a .900 winning pct. That's about 7 slam titles right there. I think that the 6 foot 4 monster might have knee issues early compared to the Big 3. He needs some more muscle on those very long legs to help protect the knees. I'll go with 12 slam titles in a relatively short career(5-year peak, 10-year prime, falls off tremendously after turning 33)
 
A lot of luck is needed to avoid injuries. He could get hurt.

But I think that he has the ability to do the following, as far as peak goes:

3 different seasons with 2+ slam titles, 65+ match wins, and a .900 winning pct. That's about 7 slam titles right there. I think that the 6 foot 4 monster might have knee issues early compared to the Big 3. He needs some more muscle on those very long legs to help protect the knees. I'll go with 12 slam titles in a relatively short career(5-year peak, 10-year prime, falls off tremendously after turning 33)

This. I've been saying for a while that his build isn't optimized for tennis. He's too tall and lanky and CoG is too high which is why he has adopted that WTA tactic of bending the knees/crouching almost to the floor like Swiatek, Kerber etc esp on the BH side

JMdP was only two inches taller...
 
It is really complicated to answer this question;

1) If he is disqualified next year he risks missing out on 2025 which on paper could be one of the most profitable seasons of his entire career (including the years to come).
Next year Sinner will turn 24, the same age that Federer was in 2005, Nadal in 2010, and Djokovic in 2011, meaning for all 3 one of the best seasons of their respective careers, if not the best for at least one/two of They.

2) Injuries are something imponderable.

3) How imponderable is the competitiveness of the circuit in future years.
Maybe Fedal's Djokovic for Sinneraz is hidden among some new emerging players or among some boys still in the youth categories, how can we exclude him?

From his Sinner thinking in the long term, he has the hunger of those who want to make the history of this sport.
He has an obsession with his profession that has always distinguished many sporting legends, he loves this sport.
He always declares that he always aims to improve himself and never sit on his laurels, with this mentality instilled you have excellent chances of exploring all your limits.

And in any case it's really recent stuff where he declared that the set goal is to play for at least another 15 years.

So I close by saying that like everyone I don't have a crystal ball, so I can't know the answer to the question, but as a fan I can say that I wouldn't sign for a scenario that doesn't include the best option in the survey.
Appetite comes with eating, after he won the Australian Open he said he would now go hunting.
Never settle, I will simply enjoy its journey.
 
Honest question. Would Sinner beat a prime Fed/Rafa more times than not as of now?

Where?

No chance he's beating Rafa on clay, and I find it hard to imagine him taking Roger out at Wimbledon when even Djoko lost to him in 2012, one year after having the greatest season ever
 
However, too much variance.
At the moment we have a duopoly that has made a clean sweep at the slam level this year, and aside from Sinneraz the situation seems more or less like this;

- Last shots to fire for Djokovic, but how many will he still have at his disposal?

- The mind-generation can still hold a threat for Sinneraz but more on a single tournament than on a wider scale.
The problem is that, in theory, while Sinneraz can still have some margin to improve his current level, the various Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Fritz, Rublev, etc., if they have not already entered the downward curve, will certainly hardly be able to rise further than the peak already reached.

- This 2024 has shown that there are many emerging players capable of hoisting themselves into the top 10 in a rather short time, I am thinking of the various Fils, Musetti, Draper, Shelton, Perricard, the return of Rune, Mensik himself, and many others.
However, for each of them the distance that separates them from Sinneraz is so wide that it is difficult to think that in 2025 at least one of them can fill that kind of gap.

Obviously this is a short-medium term reasoning, in the long term it is impossible to make predictions about what the opposition could be in order to counter Sinneraz.
Paradoxically at the height of Fedal, so let's say between 2006 and 2009 roughly, even though Fedal had monopolized the big tournaments of that period, players like Djokovic, Murray and Del Potro himself were appearing in turn, who even though crushed by the overwhelming power of Fedal were starting to take some space left by them.
Instead, the current situation sees players belonging to Sinneraz's generation who, before arriving at Sinneraz, still have to manage to surpass the bastions of the mind-generation, something that instead the various Djokovic, Murray and to a minimal extent Del Potro (thinking of his 2009 US Open) had already done with respect to the generation that preceded them (except obviously Federer).

Obviously, someone could object that until the 2023 US Open, even on Sinner it was unimaginable to think that he could make all that progress, so much so that behind the unreachable Alcaraz, many in the future preferred Rune to Sinner, and to a minimal extent even Shelton.
However, Sinner must always be given credit for having always progressed constantly, unlike Rune and Shelton who were initially more blinding but more extemporaneous flashes.
Furthermore, I am not engaging in historical revisionism if I say that even before Sinner's definitive explosion (which actually coincided with the Beijing 2023 tournament), despite Rune having been consistently ahead of him in the rankings between the end of 2022 and the first half of 2023, with the added bonus of being almost two years younger, when there was any mention of a possible future contender for Alcaraz, the media and Alcaraz himself always pumped up Sinner's name, as if, despite a ranking situation that suggested otherwise, they had understood well in advance that Sinneraz was much more popular than Alcarune in the future.
 
Honest question. Would Sinner beat a prime Fed/Rafa more times than not as of now?
It will depend on court.
Sinner can beat Rafa more times than not on HC.
This is Nadal's AO losses and USO losses post RG 2005

AO
Gonzalez in 3 sets
Tsonga in 3 sets
Murray in 3 sets (retirement)
Ferrer in 3 sets
Djokovic in 5 (this is peak loss)
Stan in 4 sets
Berdych in 3 sets
Verdsasco in 5 (R1)
Fed in 5
Cilic in 5 (Retirement)
Djokovic in 3
Thiem in 4
Steph in 5

USO
Blake in 4 sets
Youzhney in 4 sets
Ferrer in 4 sets
Murray in 4 sets
Delpo in 3 sets
Djokovic in 4 sets
Fognini in 5 sets
Pouille in 5 sets
Delpo in 3 (retirement)


I think all the losses of Nadal, just 3 out of 19 (excluding retirements) losses are vs non big 3 members. Sinner is better than all of them.


Now Wimby Nadal vs Sinner we can not say completely when we don't know peak of Sinner but we know peak of Nadal.
 
You know men's tennis is on life support when so many wild projection threads about majors couint, laughable claims of surface dominance at majors and GOAT recognition about any player in this "younger" generation pop up so often.

OP poll option: More than 16 (GOAT territory)--is not GOAT territory. It is merely a ranking on the Best of the Rest list.
 
You know men's tennis is on life support when so many wild projection threads about majors couint, laughable claims of surface dominance at majors and GOAT recognition about any player in this "younger" generation pop up so often.

OP poll option: More than 16 (GOAT territory)--is not GOAT territory. It is merely a ranking on the Best of the Rest list.
You declaring tennis is on life support does not put it on life support.
Please go watch Don Budge winning 6 in a row in amateur era. That's your kind of tennis. And if you have videos of those full matches, share them.

Rest of ttw, stop chasing ghosts like the member here.
 
You declaring tennis is on life support does not put it on life support.

I did not say "tennis" as a reference to the entire sport. Clearly, my post centered on Men's tennis, and there is no evidence that current men's tennis headed by Sinner and Alcaraz is some once-in-a-generation, highly popular event.

You can shock its heart as much as you like, and keep the oxygen mask on, but its not going to magically make this current men's generation "must watch" tennis.

Rest of ttw, stop chasing ghosts like the member here.

Only the ignorant ignore history in favor of a moment.
 
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