How many Slams does 2015 Djokovic win in the presence of 05 Federer, 05 Nadal & 05 Safin?
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RS
Bionic Poster
Sorry I got it mistaken with the Safin thread were it was AO 11 Djokovic vs AO 05 Safin. Ignore me.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
Who then was superceded by his superior self in the final of 2002.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
Federer claimed this. Get with it.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Federer wiped out Petros in 6 years bud !
2003W to 2009W.
Federer raced like Superman, won his 9th Grand Slam before Agassi even retired and erased Pete's numbers 3 years later.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
How are you feeling my friend?
zakopinjo
Rookie
Federer 2015-2019 would beat Nadal 2005-2007 on RG at least 1 match.
"Prime" Federer was too arrogant to change his game and adapt it to Nadal, that's why he always lost to him.
The older Federer does not have that handicap of excessive arrogance and has adapted his game to Nadal's weaknesses.
NatF
Bionic Poster
LOL
zakopinjo
Rookie
1 match would win, Federer is no longer a naive fool who leaves his backhand vulnerable for Nadal to exploit
RS
Bionic Poster
Roddick Wim 04 vs Fed Wim 07 10 match series?
RS
Bionic Poster
Hewitt to good some may say.
NatF
Bionic Poster
LOL
Mustard
Bionic Poster
2015 Federer was straight setted by Wawrinka at the French Open. 2016-2018 Federer didn't play at the French Open, and 2019 Federer couldn't win a set against 2019 Nadal at the French Open.
Younger Nadal wouldn't allow him to make that adjustment, as Nadal was too fast, too mobile, too intense etc.
RS
Bionic Poster
Ok I won't bother pressing you for a number. You have played my games a lot.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Very funny.
Martin J
Rookie
zakopinjo
Rookie
Why? Federer would say the same if you asked him.
How do you think Novak beats Alcaraz even though he is 16 years older than him and has a ton of physical disadvantages compared to him?
Mustard
Bionic Poster
2019 Federer got straight setted by 2019 Nadal at the French Open.
zakopinjo
Rookie
Yes, and?
I said Federer 2015-2019 vs Nadal 2005-2006, not Nadal 2019
Nadal 2019 has the same mountain of data collected on Federer from 15 years of experience playing against him.
Nadal2005-2006 doesn't have that.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
2005-2006dal is leagues better than 2019dal. He doesn’t need to have a “mountain of data” in order to beat Ol’ Rog.
This whole “X” amount of years + experience arguments is possibly the worst thing to ever happen to this forum when trying to have good faith discussions.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Disagree, he already accomplished that in 2012.
zakopinjo
Rookie
That explains Novak's victories against Alcaraz, otherwise he would have lost every match against him without a problem.
In all physical aspects, Novak is twice as bad as Alcaraz, yet he regularly beats him. A magic potion or a huge amount of experience?
Martin J
Rookie
His dominant wins over Kafelnikov and Pete in the SF and F respectively are among the most impressive runs in history of Slams, and he was a tough opponent for (post-1997) Pete due to his aggressive return and great reflexes, footspeed, passing shots etc, so a win was not that surprising (the scoreline was, though).
But it looked to me that Pete was exhausted, he had a very tough run (Rafter, Agassi, Safin..) and no day off between the SF and F, so rushing the net like a madman over and over again was the only way he could play in order to shorten the points, so Hewitt killed him.
Someone posted here the average serve speed for every of Pete's matches during the 2001 USO run and the speed in the final significantly decreased, so he was definitely the not usual self. IMO, both factors, Hewitt's great performance and Pete's issues played the role.
Anyway, I made that comment just to tease the Fed detractor.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Or maybe just maybe Sir Charles’ level is still pretty inconsistent (even within matches, forget tournaments). The best parts of the year for Chuck are the spring HC season-GC season. Outside of there he’s still very upset prone.
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Why would Federer praise his clay form of 2015-2019 ?
The only clay title which Federer won from 2013 onwards was some Istanbul or something... and mind you I had to google this because I thought it was 0 titles, surprisingly he has won something which even I am not aware of, he was that much bad. You think Federer is proud of his clay form between 2015-2019 ?
Just confess that you are 18 years old and watching tennis from 2020 aus open onwards.... that will suffice buddy.
ImpartialSpectator
New User
Doesn't matter what Fed says about it. Of course he's going to tell himself he's playing his best, and maybe from a purely skill/tactics perspective he was. But he was obviously much more athletic and his forehand was on another planet in 2005.
RS
Bionic Poster
I was messing.
RS
Bionic Poster
9-1 Fed was what I was gonna say
RS
Bionic Poster
Hypothetical Hewitt.
Sorry my mind isn't fully on tennis after watching Hagler vs Duran yesterday.
The same Federer who was losing in straights to Stan, or not even showing up because he physically couldn’t hack it ? Heck, he lost to 2019 Nadal in straights (windy conditions) and you think he has a chance vs 05-07dal.
He’s genuinely ignorant and <18 years of age, or he’s an adult trolling for reactions. Either way has a child’s mentality.
RS
Bionic Poster
Millions
zakopinjo
Rookie
@fedfan24 @Razer
Guys you are unbeleeble , why do you persistently prove that you can only think one-dimensionally. If real tennis worked according to your rules, I believe that tennis history would look much different.
If Federer beats Novak in 2011 or 2012, it is an undoubted proof that Federer05 would destroy him (famous phrase of this forum).
It is clear to the sparrows on the branch that Federer15-19 would beat Nadal05-06 in at least one match, only that is not clear to you. The 30-year-old Novak also defeats Nadal05-06
These are enormously experienced tennis players who have Nadal's complete game in front of their eyes, on a tactical level they would simply destroy him until Nadal05-06 would have no idea what hit him or what they are playing against him.
For you, tennis seems to be just a computer simulation, since you persistently try to present that the experience is nothing and that only ages matters.
Guys you are unbeleeble , why do you persistently prove that you can only think one-dimensionally. If real tennis worked according to your rules, I believe that tennis history would look much different.
If Federer beats Novak in 2011 or 2012, it is an undoubted proof that Federer05 would destroy him (famous phrase of this forum).
It is clear to the sparrows on the branch that Federer15-19 would beat Nadal05-06 in at least one match, only that is not clear to you. The 30-year-old Novak also defeats Nadal05-06
These are enormously experienced tennis players who have Nadal's complete game in front of their eyes, on a tactical level they would simply destroy him until Nadal05-06 would have no idea what hit him or what they are playing against him.
For you, tennis seems to be just a computer simulation, since you persistently try to present that the experience is nothing and that only ages matters.
When was Peak Federer? He was owned by either Nadal or Djokovic since '08! Since '08 until '14, Nadal has owned Federer. And since '11 until retirement, Djokovic had the honor. So it must be before '07! Don't you think it was awfully early for a supposedly best tennis player to give it up, at 26?
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
He was peak till end of 09, which is 6 years and ended at age 28. 2010-2012 needed to be stronger.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
Of course, you know better than Federer, silly me/Federer.
Holmes
Hall of Fame
Once again, your YouTube level eyes are superior to Federer's first person level ones. Silly Roger.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
More experienced is not the same as playing better.
No, Nadal had already reigned in '08, he was injured in '09 and was inconsistent. He picked up the reign in '10 and dominated Federer.
If Federer picked up #1, he had it by default, with injury to Nadal. I watched tennis back then, everybody knew Federer had no chance against Nadal. So he was second at 26 and never regained #1, that's no way to treat the supposedly greatest in history!
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Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
lol, he made every single final in 08-09 except one which was a SF. He was also number one for almost a year during that time. I lived it too, and he was always struggling against Rafa from the get go. Won 3 slams.
Meanwhile, Rafa only made it to the finals 4 times and had less weeks at number one during that span. Injuries do not matter.
