How many slams does Murray take from big 3 if he doesnt get injured in 2016?

[Lleytonstation]

Djoker:
WC18 and 19 are likely wins Murray gets against Djoker as Murray is 2-0 vs Djoker at WC.
USO18 is likely a slam Murray takes as well.

Fed:
Maybe AO 18, but highly unlikely.

Rafa:
Maybe Murray takes one of Rafas 2 USO in 17 and 19.

It total, Murray likely gets his needed 3 to be an ATG... and Djoker would be still at 17 or 18?

@Nole Slam @TheNachoMan

 

[NeutralFan]

He would have taken some Wimbledons from Djokovic that's for sure. Wimbledon suffered most from Murray's injury

 

[TripleATeam]

Hell, why stop there? If Murray wasn't injured, he probably could've retroactively won Wimbledon 2014 and 2015 too.

 

[NeutralFan]

Hell, why stop there? If Murray wasn't injured, he probably could've retroactively won Wimbledon 2014 and 2015 too.

Yeah let's pretend that Murray didn't own Djokovic on grass .

 

[Deleted member 748597]

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[Nole_King]

Not sure if any slam is guaranteed but it is certain that not getting injured in 2016 means he didn't go full steam when he found an opening for YE#1 (no Fedal in second half and sign of Djokovic's slump appearing) thereby not ending year as #1. So yes, he would have lost his biggest achievement yet with no surety of adding any slam.

 

[Third Serve]

Difficult to say. I think it's reasonable to assume he'd still be competing for Slams at least in 2017-2018, but we have to recognize that Murray would also be affected by aging even without his crippling injuries.

 

[Nole_King]

Yeah let's pretend that Murray didn't own Djokovic on grass .

Why do you assume that he only has to beat Djokovic to win Wimbledon? Would he have won against Rafa in 2018? Would he have won against Roger in 2019? Remember he didnt lost to Novak in 2016 USO so what makes you think he would not lose to someone not named Djokovic?

His injury was due to his overexertion at the end of 2016 season when he chased #1. Should have treated his body better but he knew he would not get such golden opportunity again with no Fedal around. Credit to him that he did what he had to do to get there. But frankly that took an irreparable toll on his body

 

[Nuclear]

Hell, why stop there? If Murray wasn't injured, he probably could've retroactively won Wimbledon 2014 and 2015 too.

 

[NeutralFan]

Why do you assume that he only has to beat Djokovic to win Wimbledon? Would he have won against Rafa in 2018? Would he have won against Roger in 2019? Remember he didnt lost to Novak in 2016 USO so what makes you think he would not lose to someone not named Djokovic?

His injury was due to his overexertion at the end of 2016 season when he chased #1. Should have treated his body better but he knew he would not get such golden opportunity again with no Fedal around. Credit to him that he did what he had to do to get there. But frankly that took an irreparable toll on his body

well, there's no way to know that Rafa would have met Murray in 2018 or 19 , also Rafa didn't play in 2021. Moreover , Rafa post 2012 was not some grass titans that should have definately taken out Murray. No matter how much you pretend but Murray was the only good competetion on grass and his removal from the grass field has made grass field weakest in the history.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

How many slams did he take away from Big 3 in 2016?

Zero.

Hence zero too in 2017, 2018...

 

[TripleATeam]

Yeah let's pretend that Murray didn't own Djokovic on grass .

Ah yes, all 2 times they met. Great sample size.

Remind me how many times Murray beat Federer or Nadal at Wimbledon again? If he couldn't win even a set against Federer in 2014 when Djokovic won 3, what makes you think he'd win against 2018 Djokovic/Nadal or 2019 Djokovic/Federer?

 

[Nole_King]

well, there's no way to know that Rafa would have met Murray in 2018 or 19 , also Rafa didn't play in 2021. Moreover , Rafa post 2012 was not some grass titans that should have definately taken out Murray. No matter how much you pretend but Murray was the only good competetion on grass and his removal from the grass field has made grass field weakest in the history.

Rafa was very good in 2018. And what if in 2018 he plays Federer in QF? Even for 2019 I didn't mention Rafa, I mentioned Roger. You very conveniently brush aside some things by saying there's no way to know but then are pretty sure about some other hypotheticals.

 

[mike danny]

His best chances would be USO 2017 and AO 2018, but that's about it.

 

[Nole_King]

Ah yes, all 2 times they met. Great sample size.

Remind me how many times Murray beat Federer or Nadal at Wimbledon again? If he couldn't win even a set against Federer in 2014 when Djokovic won 3, what makes you think he'd win against 2018 Djokovic/Nadal or 2019 Djokovic/Federer?

Give few mins. A certain Murray fan would come with Olympic 2012 example.

 

[Nole_King]

His best chances would be USO 2017 and AO 2018, but that's about it.

But what if Federer also is not injured for USO 2017? There goes that also out of the window.

 

[Chanwan]

4-6 more sounds about right. An Agassi-like career

 

[onefineday]

Murray might have finally won AO and maybe one more Wimbledon.
But considering he struggled really to win the 3 slams he did- he had plenty of chances- I don't think he'd have necessarily had better chances 2017 plus.

 

[BGod]

He would have suffered burnout in 2017 regardless but 2018 AO and Wimbledon 2018-2019 are possibilities. I voted 1 just because I like the guy.

 

[dapchai]

Again, quoting a wise man: "If, if, if... doesn't exist."

 

[Nole_King]

Again, quoting a wise man: "If, if, if... doesn't exist."

A much wiser man wrote a beautiful poem on it

 

[Lleytonstation]

His best chances would be USO 2017 and AO 2018, but that's about it.

He is taking at least one of those WC from Djoker. Probably 2021. But this all assumes he was healthy.

 

[dapchai]

A much wiser man wrote a beautiful poem on it

What poem?

 

[ibbi]

I don't think it's a case of Murray getting HURT. He simply succumbed to the wear and tear of age, the hip, the great career killer in the last 30 years of tennis, but his held up till he was pushing 30, which is far luckier than most people get. He fell into a hole, just like Rafa and Novak before him, only his hole was more serious and he couldn't climb back out of it.

If age doesn't get Murray? In that scenario he's a mythical titan and you can attribute anything you like to him. He did own Novak at Wimbledon, yes, that's probably his best chance of picking up some extra, but he also never played him there after Novak got the serve he did in 2015.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

His best chances would be USO 2017 and AO 2018, but that's about it.

And even that's bery bery bery optimistic.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

I don't think it's a case of Murray getting HURT. He simply succumbed to the wear and tear of age, the hip, the great career killer in the last 30 years of tennis, but his held up till he was pushing 30, which is far luckier than most people get. He fell into a hole, just like Rafa and Novak before him, only his hole was more serious and he couldn't climb back out of it.

If age doesn't get Murray? In that scenario he's a mythical titan and you can attribute anything you like to him. He did own Novak at Wimbledon, yes, that's probably his best chance of picking up some extra, but he also never played him there after Novak got the serve he did in 2015.

Can you name any (major) players whose hips destroyed their careers before the age of 30?

 

[UnderratedSlam]

User tennisjedi voted for 5 slams.

Don't you get banned for that kind of trolling?

 

[Nole_King]

What poem?

IF

 

[Sabrina]

Can you name any (major) players whose hips destroyed their careers before the age of 30?

Probably Kuerten, was basically done at around 25 or so (He was No.1 at that time his hip problems started)...

 

[ibbi]

Can you name any (major) players whose hips destroyed their careers before the age of 30?

Hewitt, Kuerten, Nalbandian, Norman, Rios. I'm sure there are others too, they're just the first that come to mind.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Probably Kuerten, was basically done at around 25 or so (He was No.1 at that time his hip problems started)...

So it's just Murray and Kuerten.

Hardly "the great career killer in the last 30 years" as user ibbi said.

 

[Kralingen]

AO '17 he has an outside chance but I just don't think he does it
RG '17, obviously no
Wimby '17 - honestly, I see another WB '15 SF scenario here but he could theoretically outlast Fed physically
USO '17 - don't see it
AO '18 - this would be his big chance to finally win Down Under. I'd have him favored over Fed if he plays AO '16 level
WB '18 - If he got Nole in the final after the exhausting Rafa SF I think he wins it, but if he got Nole/Rafa in the SF, probably loses.
USO '18 - Murray has always been questionable at the USO after 2012. No guarantee he beats this Djokovic but he would have a chance in 2016 form.
AO '19 - lol no
WB '19 - same story, would depend on draw. Don't think he beats Fed, could beat a listless Djokovic in WB '16 form
USO '19 - best chance out of any USO
AO '20 - probably not
anything else - giving him a no. The improved Oldovic serve would make him difficult for 33/34 year old Murray to handle.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Hewitt, Kuerten, Nalbandian, Norman, Rios. I'm sure there are others too, they're just the first that come to mind.

Are you quite sure ALL of these stopped due to hip issues?

 

[Sabrina]

Hewitt, Kuerten, Nalbandian, Norman, Rios. I'm sure there are others too, they're just the first that come to mind.

In Hewitt case I think it was 2 foot surgeries in 2005 which pretty much finished his time at the top of the game for good, but yeah the later hip injuries basically knocked him out of the top 30-50 too...

I do not know much about Nalbandian, Norman or Rios though.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

In Hewitt case I think it was 2 foot surgeries in 2005 which pretty much finished his time at the top of the game for good, but yeah the later hip injuries basically knocked him out of the top 30-50 too...

I do not know much about Nalbandian, Norman or Rios though.

That was past the age of 30?

 

[ibbi]

Are you quite sure ALL of these stopped due to hip issues?

You seem to be very interested in this. It's not that difficult to look up. It didn't necessarily signal the literal end of their career, but you can look at their results before and after, and yes, that's what did them in as a force at the top of the game. Kuerten actually did okayish after one, but then he had to get a second and that was really the end.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

You seem to be very interested in this. It's not that difficult to look up. It didn't necessarily signal the literal end of their career, but you can look at their results before and after, and yes, that's what did them in as a force at the top of the game. Kuerten actually did okayish after one, but then he had to get a second and that was really the end.

It is. Looking up st like H2H is easy and quick, but career-ending reasons requires research. That's why I ask.

 

[Antonio Puente]

Zero. Hypo Murray kills it in slams. Real Murray, not so much.

 

[ibbi]

It is. Looking up st like H2H is easy and quick, but career-ending reasons requires research. That's why I ask.

Here's an article that touches on it:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/jun/29/wimbledon.tennis6?gusrc=rss&feed=sport

The choice quote:

As the years go by, the Nadals may have to re-evaluate that decision because many experts feel Rafa will be lucky to still be playing top-class tennis at the age of 26.

That was the ridiculously young age at which two world No1s, Gustavo Kuerten and Marcelo Ríos had hip surgery. Neale Fraser had hip surgery last January and he won Wimbledon in 1960.

And you can look their results up after that point for yourself!

 

[martinezownsclay]

It is pretty much pointless speculation since once you reach 30+ your form is unpredictable regardless of injuries. What Federer, Nadal, Djokovic are doing way into their 30s is super unusual, even accounting for the weak field.

I think it is kind of silly and wrong to say he is "likely" to take 3 of Djokovic's slams, regardless that he did well vs Djokovic at Wimbledon in the past.

He could have won another slam or two, and it is purely a guess which of those would be. Any more than that is a bonus and too hard to guage. Most players don't win over half or more of their slams in their 30s. Even the Big 3 haven't come close to doing this yet. Keeping in mind Murray would have had only 3 slams at age 30, unless he won Australia 2017.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

It is pretty much pointless speculation since once you reach 30+ your form is unpredictable regardless of injuries. What Federer, Nadal, Djokovic are doing way into their 30s is super unusual, even accounting for the weak field.

I think it is kind of silly and wrong to say he is "likely" to take 3 of Djokovic's slams, regardless that he did well vs Djokovic at Wimbledon in the past.

He could have won another slam or two, and it is purely a guess which of those would be. Any more than that is a bonus and too hard to guage. Most players don't win over half or more of their slams in their 30s. Even the Big 3 haven't come close to doing this yet. Keeping in mind Murray would have had only 3 slams at age 30, unless he won Australia 2017.

His H2H vs RF and Rafa in slams is crap, so there goes 2017 down the sewer.

His H2H vs Djokovic is good only at Wimby, but overall on all slams is very negative. 2-8. In 2016 he didn't have one slam win vs Big 3. So why would he achieve this later?

 

[TheNachoMan]

Murray’s peak in slams was 2012-2013. He’s been pretty bad since then

 

[ND-13]

How many majors would Murray have won if he actually met a big 3 in the final and faced a regular version and not a tired one from their previous match ?

 

[Incognito]

He would win all his matches against Novak in straights but Will lose to Fed.

The 3 biggest blessings in novaxx life are:

1. Fed being 6 years older.
2. Only facing Murray once at wimbledon and unsuccessful recovery after 2016.
3. Nadal’s wear in tear up to 2010 and of course being chronically injured.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

He would win all his matches against Novak in straights but Will lose to Fed.

The 3 biggest blessings in novaxx life are:

1. Fed being 6 years older.
2. Only facing Murray once at wimbledon and unsuccessful recovery after 2016.
3. Nadal’s wear in tear up to 2010 and of course being chronically injured.

1. That's Fed's blessing, not Novak's.
2. He would have beaten Murray at Wimby eventually. He beat RF 3 times so why would he keep losing to this even bigger mental midget?
3. Agreed.

 

[TheNachoMan]

He would win all his matches against Novak in straights but Will lose to Fed.

The 3 biggest blessings in novaxx life are:

1. Fed being 6 years older.
2. Only facing Murray once at wimbledon and unsuccessful recovery after 2016.
3. Nadal’s wear in tear up to 2010 and of course being chronically injured.

People seem to forget that Novak played a 4 hour and 40 minute match against Delpo in the semis. I think fatigue is a valid excuse for that loss.

 

[Incognito]

1. That's Fed's blessing, not Novak's.
2. He would have beaten Murray at Wimby eventually. He beat RF 3 times so why would he keep losing to this even bigger mental midget?
3. Agreed.

1. I’ll let the Fed fans tear you apart with that one

2. Hes not beating Murray. Murray is 10 times more natural on the surface and has all court skills. Also has the stamina and endurance to hang with him, and most of all, Murray has an equally good or maybe even better backhand.

3. Yaaaas

 

[Incognito]

People seem to forget that Novak played a 4 hour and 40 minute match against Delpo in the semis. I think fatigue is a valid excuse for that loss.

Lol, sorry I dont buy that.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Yeah let's pretend that Murray didn't own Djokovic on grass .

No need to pretend. They played only two matches and that was before Djokovic reached his peak in the surface. He had one Wimbledon back then, now he has six. Not to mention you play against the FIELD, not one player. See how Murray was healthy and playing well in 2015 and it was Djokovic winning Wimbledon? Beating the guy that routined Murray?

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Every single slam played since AO 17 so probably 21 slams.