How Many Slams Does Sinner Win In The 2000s?

How Many Slams Does Jannik Sinner Win In The 2000s & 10s?

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It's 2008. We're just past the peak of Roger Federer and about to hit the prime of Rafael Nadal.

Let's take Jannik Sinner straigh out of 2024 and drop him off here.

How many slams does he win?
 
Lleytonstation said:
He is mentally tougher so he might squeak a few.
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There is nothing to squeak

Nobody is getting anything past Federer, 2011 onwards Djokovic becomes a different beast and so nothing to squeak either, the only room for this is 2010 and even that seem unlikely because Nadal ain't giving away his wimbledon away that easily.... the US open is off limits, Bull wil deep fry him crispy.

So thats that, he wins 0.
 
Razer said:
There is nothing to squeak

Nobody is getting anything past Federer, 2011 onwards Djokovic becomes a different beast and so nothing to squeak either, the only room for this is 2010 and even that seem unlikely because Nadal ain't giving away his wimbledon away that easily.... the US open is off limits, Bull wil deep fry him crispy.

So thats that, he wins 0.
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12 USO, 14 AO, and 16 WC all possibilities.

He could be better than Murray.
 
Razer said:
There is nothing to squeak

Nobody is getting anything past Federer, 2011 onwards Djokovic becomes a different beast and so nothing to squeak either, the only room for this is 2010 and even that seem unlikely because Nadal ain't giving away his wimbledon away that easily.... the US open is off limits, Bull wil deep fry him crispy.

So thats that, he wins 0.
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Fed didn't beat better opponents than Sinner for his early slams , lets be real.
 
NeutralFan said:
Fed didn't beat better opponents than Sinner for his early slams , lets be real.
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Federer was a genius who used to win slams without a coach, he was just GOD (Greatness On Display) when in full flow, in stark contrast Sinner is too laborious and he needed his Cahill guy to make him a better player. Federer is a different animal entirely and he did beat better players too, Roddick is better than Sinner on Grass, Safin is 10 times better than Sinner at AO, even Agassi in 04 was better than Sinner of today, heck even Baby Nadal in 06 was a better grass courter than Sinner ever was/is. Nalbandian in full flow was also comparable to Sinner.


The worst thing about Sinner is that he is a slow learner and if he is born in 1984 then he gets wiped out totally, he is not an 18 year old prodigy with insane athleticism to cause problems early on and neither is he someone with godly mental toughness and having superhuman marathon stamina of Djokovic to slowly turn the tides later on. He gets erased totally from existence..... 0 Slam confirmed.
 
Razer said:
Federer was a genius who used to win slams without a coach, he was just GOD (Greatness On Display) when in full flow, in stark contrast Sinner is too laborious and he needed his Cahill guy to make him a better player. Federer is a different animal entirely and he did beat better players too, Roddick is better than Sinner on Grass, Safin is 10 times better than Sinner at AO, even Agassi in 04 was better than Sinner of today, heck even Baby Nadal in 06 was a better grass courter than Sinner ever was/is. Nalbandian in full flow was also comparable to Sinner.


The worst thing about Sinner is that he is a slow learner and if he is born in 1984 then he gets wiped out totally, he is not an 18 year old prodigy with insane athleticism to cause problems early on and neither is he someone with godly mental toughness and having superhuman marathon stamina of Djokovic to slowly turn the tides later on. He gets erased totally from existence..... 0 Slam confirmed.
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Well you can't criticize Sinner for not winning against elite opponents at the same time give free pass to Fed. Question remains the same if Rods, Hewitt were any better than old Djokovic, Medvedev?Nope!! Fed destroyed a weak field and Sinner is doing the same. It is what it is.
 
NeutralFan said:
Well you can't criticize Sinner for not winning against elite opponents at the same time give free pass to Fed. Question remains the same if Rods, Hewitt were any better than old Djokovic, Medvedev?Nope!! Fed destroyed a weak field and Sinner is doing the same. It is what it is.
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Fed won against everyone, so why won't he get a pass ? Federer was mercilessly dominating the field without reaching the 5th set on most occasions, he was so dominant that he gets a pass against almost anyone. Roddick in his peak was good enough to beat 2024 Djokovic or even 2023 Djokovic at wimbledon, at the same time Sinner has been losing to Medvedev on Grass, how pathetic is Sinner ? SInner is not destroying any field, his AO win was too laborious in the final, barely won because Med ran out of gas, Fed was never like this, Fed would have won that final in straight sets or 4 sets, thats how powerful he used to be in his peak. No comparison, if you are comparing Fed to Sinner then it means either you did not watch Fed in his peak or you hate Fed to underrate him to this extent that Sinner of all people has to be rated this high. The career trajectories of Fed and SInner are comparable for sure since they were flop before turning 22 and turned things around from that age but you cannot compare their levels, Federer was way too dominant. Early-Mid 2000s were a transition phase of tennis, if you are looking at the backhand of the field back or their points construction and thinking that SInner will beat them then you are forgetting that Sinner born in 1984 or 1981 would also be having no better games than those people, one can only be as advanced as their time. Today's tennis is more evolved from what existed 18-20 years ago and so if someone is born 2 decades ago then he too get caught up in that sandstorm..... Fed is far far far more talented than Sinner, blows him away completely.... We are also not realizing how great young Nadal was with his unorthodox game + athleticism to create some dent on Fed, thats not something which Sinner can ever dream of.... way beyond his paygrade ... @metsman would agree !!!

I repeat : Federer was destroying the field without even having a coach for years, he was that damn good.... no comparison, way beyond Sinner's caliber to tackle all that.
 
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Zero. The end. And I like Sinner, but be real here. He is basically a Berdych clone, born into a far luckier era, who in fairness in mentally tougher than Berdych too I guess, but other than that, they are essentialy the same.
 
Drug testing was even more nonexistent then than now. How many slams do Nadal and Djokovic have? Probably about that many
 
Berdych lol. Berdych doesn’t move half as good as Sinner.

Fh, although Berdych had very good one, Id take Sinners. Bh, Sinner’s is better. Serve goes to Berdych. Mentality, goes to Sinner. Volleys, again Sinner.
 
Of the Big 3, Sinner would have the most problems against peak Federer overall.

Sinner can forget about clay, once you start looping shots to his bh and fh, he’s unable to generate power and doesn’t know what to do. Alcaraz exposed him big time in that FO match (the latter stages of the match).
 
Incognito said:
Of the Big 3, Sinner would have the most problems against peak Federer overall.

Sinner can forget about clay, once you start looping shots to his bh and fh, he’s unable to generate power and doesn’t know what to do. Alcaraz exposed him big time in that FO match (the latter stages of the match).
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Sinner can't even beat grandpa Djokovic most of the time, and you think he would have no problems with peak Djokovic!?!? Or be able to do anything against even semi prime Djokovic.

As for Nadal, well any match on clay Nadal would be dishing Sinner bakery products in every single set for starters.
 
grandefrankie said:
Sinner can't even beat grandpa Djokovic most of the time, and you think he would have no problems with peak Djokovic!?!? Or be able to do anything against even semi prime Djokovic.

As for Nadal, well any match on clay Nadal would be dishing Sinner bakery products in every single set for starters.
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The argument would be is he better than Murray.

If so, he wins 3-4.
 
Lleytonstation said:
A mentally tough Berdych wins 2 slams minimum. 4 at best.
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Agreed there. And come to think of it, I can't say that about Sinner in that era. So if anything Berdych is probably better, minus the mental part, where yes Sinner has him beat (not saying he is some mental giant, this is just comparatively).
 
Lleytonstation said:
The argument would be is he better than Murray.

If so, he wins 3-4.
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Yeah but I definitely don't think he is better than Murray, not even close. Not yet anyway. Murray remember took a YE#1 away from peak Djokovic in 2016 (ok Djokovic did tail off the end of that season but for 2015 and atleast half of 2016 he was having his most dominant stretch ever, along with 2011, and still had some good performances late 2016 too).
 
For those who are saying that Sinner is equal to or greater than Andy Murray, let me ask you this question.

Would Sinner have a positive head to head against prime Federer. Would he be able to beat Federer in his best season?

Would he be able to beat prime Djokovic at the US Open or Wimbledon?

Would he be able to beat Nadal on clay?

Because Murray was able to do all of that.

 
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I'd say he'd win 40.

In this hypothetical fantasy, he also poisons his opponents. He'll continue to win everything there is to win, because he also found a way to correctly predict the future and anticipate on that, by having next-gen talents killed or injured before they become an issue for him. He'd be retired by now, but obviously been appointed CEO of the ATP so he can steer and influence the pro tennis tour to safeguard the many records he now holds.

Here endeth my contribution to yet another wonderful hypothetical barf fest.
 
CHillTennis said:
For those who are saying that Sinner is equal to or greater than Andy Murray, let me ask you this question.

Would Sinner have a positive head to head against prime Federer. Would he be able to beat Federer in his best season?

Would he be able to beat prime Djokovic at the US Open or Wimbledon?

Would he be able to beat Nadal on clay?

Because Murray was able to do all of that.

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Yes he would beat Nadal of 2015-2016 Clay Madrid(atleast 15). Murray didn't do all that in Sinner's age. What's the point?

I believe he would beat Djoker at USO too by that i mean he can beat him. At Wimbledon that doesn't look likely yet against Djokovic.
About Federer yeah Sinner can beat him on HC's.
 
How many did Tomas Berdych win?

Berdych is a more powerful, more entertaining, higher peak, but less consistent version of Sinner. Sinner is more consistent because he hits with much more topspin, while Berdych hit flat.
 
NeutralFan said:
Much worse than Berdych ?lmao !! TTW at its best
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Berdych beat all the big 4 in majors at some point, and came close to some more wins against them there. There was a time when he beat Nadal in 3 of their first 4 matches and made the other close on clay. Berdych still won no majors. Is any Sinner performance as good as Berdych (in defeat) against Nadal at the 2012 Australian Open?
 
Berdych was slow and clumsy in movement. Sinner is super fast, allowing him to deploy a superior court coverage for baseline rallies and defense.

Saying Sinner is like Berdych is equally unobjective as saying Sinner is like Federer. Sinner is going to win 10+ Slams than Berdych.

Anyway, you can always rely on "if, would, in other era" and similar claims of untestable nature which are not compatible with relevance.
 
Sport said:
Berdych was slow and clumsy in movement. Sinner is super fast, allowing him to deploy a superior court coverage for baseline rallies and defense.

Saying Sinner is like Berdych is equally unobjective as saying Sinner is like Federer. Sinner is going to win 10+ Slams than Berdych.

Anyway, you can always rely on "if, would, in other era" and similar claims of untestable nature which are not compatible with relevance.
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Berdych had more power, aided more by his flatter hitting. He could raise it at times to an extremely high level.

Berdych always had the big 4 around. At 2010 Wimbledon for example, Berdych beat Federer and Djokovic and then lost to Nadal. At the 2012 US Open, he beat Federer and then lost to Murray in strong wind. At 2017 Wimbledon, he beat Djokovic and then lost to Federer. If Sinner was always in that sort of situation, I doubt he'd have won a major either.
 
I’m sure he could have nabbed 1-2 in say 2002
-2003. After that no the big 3 come into play or at least Fed does by 2004 and then you got some nasty customers like peak safin and Hewitt around and Roddick on grass
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
I’m sure he could have nabbed 1-2 in say 2002
-2003. After that no the big 3 come into play or at least Fed does by 2004 and then you got some nasty customers like peak safin and Hewitt around and Roddick on grass
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Hewitt with that serve against returner and powerful baseliner like Sinner with evolution on his side, sure lol
 
Mustard said:
How many did Tomas Berdych win?

Berdych is a more powerful, more entertaining, higher peak, but less consistent version of Sinner. Sinner is more consistent because he hits with much more topspin, while Berdych hit flat.
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They're nothing alike except their built looks similar ffs
 
Phenomenal said:
Yes he would beat Nadal of 2015-2016 Clay Madrid(atleast 15). Murray didn't do all that in Sinner's age. What's the point?

I believe he would beat Djoker at USO too by that i mean he can beat him. At Wimbledon that doesn't look likely yet against Djokovic.
About Federer yeah Sinner can beat him on HC's.
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But who has Sinner beaten that is remotely close to prime Roger Federer's level?

Let's not forget that Federer won the US Open, five years in a row, during a much stronger era.
 
If he was born in 1980 I think he wins 10, Roger also wins 10 in this scenario.
Berdych wishes he could hit a ball like Sinner. Maybe he could have if he was allowed to roid.
 
Mustard said:
Berdych had more power, aided more by his flatter hitting. He could raise it at times to an extremely high level.

Berdych always had the big 4 around. At 2010 Wimbledon for example, Berdych beat Federer and Djokovic and then lost to Nadal. At the 2012 US Open, he beat Federer and then lost to Murray in strong wind. At 2017 Wimbledon, he beat Djokovic and then lost to Federer. If Sinner was always in that sort of situation, I doubt he'd have won a major either.
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Berdych didn't have more power nor more precission than Sinner. There's literally nothing Berdych had over Sinner. Berdych was slow, very slow indeed, which compromised a lot his shot-making and defensive abilities. Sinner has both superior shot-making and mobility than Berdych.

Some people are overrating past players due to nostalgia. Others are overrating Sinner due to recency bias.

Comparing Berdych with Sinner is equally rodiculous as saying Sinner is better than Federer. Both claims are sensationalist and unobjective, but on opposite sides of the spectrum (one spectrum is overrating the past, while the other one is overhyping the present).
 
He might get a few.

If he's 23 in 2008, his prime years will have ended post-2016 when he's 31, which means he isn't winning slams between 2017-2020, and he isn't winning many between 2009 and 2016 either with the level of competition on offer.

He won't be facing opponents like Draper and Fritz to win a slam, he'll be facing at least 2 of Murray, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic at EVERY slam he's competing in throughout his entire career. Peak/Prime versions of them all.

The toughest opponents Sinner has had to face in his era have been Medvedev, Zverev, Alcaraz and Oldovic. He's currently 15-20 (43%) against them. I can't imagine he'd have anywhere near the same level of success against peak/prime versions of the Big 3. Probably closer to a 30% WR, which puts him around Murray's level.
 
James5000 said:
If he was born in 1980 I think he wins 10, Roger also wins 10 in this scenario.
Berdych wishes he could hit a ball like Sinner. Maybe he could have if he was allowed to roid.
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The only two that he would have a chance at are the 2002 Australian Open and 2003 US Open.

Agassi would make short work of him on hard courts, so would Sampras for that matter.

Federer from 2004 onwards would be too much for Sinner to handle.
 
The problem is from 2004-on he’s got a combination of Fed, Nadal, Djokovic or all three together everywhere on all surfaces and Agassi at the last of his high level. . . That’s an impassable barrier. By the time sinner gets to 2012 or so he will already be too old most likely. It would have to be from 2002-2003 where he nabs the titles
 
Razer said:
There is nothing to squeak

Nobody is getting anything past Federer, 2011 onwards Djokovic becomes a different beast and so nothing to squeak either, the only room for this is 2010 and even that seem unlikely because Nadal ain't giving away his wimbledon away that easily.... the US open is off limits, Bull wil deep fry him crispy.

So thats that, he wins 0.
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I agree with what you say.

The other problem for Sinner is that his best surface by far are the hard courts.

Andy Murray was able to eek out a couple of Wimbledons and an Olympic gold medal, in large part because he was Scottish and he had the home crowd behind him.

Jannik Sinner would not have that.
 
well we don’t know how sinners peak form is gonna look on grass. I guess it’s possible he shocks djokovic one year there at Wimbledon. Maybe. If he isn’t old and declined by then. Depending on when his prime began. We haven’t seen the final sinner grass product yet. I’m sure he’ll nab a few Wimbledon crowns in the next few years. Carlos isn’t gonna have a stranglehold on it like Fed, Pete or Djoker did I don’t think. Carlos even looked real shaky this year against tiafoe


Right now Hards are sinners playground. But that could easily change to grass too. He’s got a solid game for grass he just hasn’t delivered yet. But that can change quickly as soon as he wins that first one. Djoker didn’t do crap on grass until 2011. Then he owned it for the last 8 after more or less. If he didn’t run into Djoker 2 straight years he would already have a Wimbledon title chances are
 
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TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
well we don’t know how sinners peak form is gonna look on grass. I guess it’s possible he shocks djokovic one year there at Wimbledon. Maybe. If he isn’t old and declined by then. Depending on when his prime began. We haven’t seen the final sinner grass product yet. I’m sure he’ll nab a few Wimbledon crowns in the next few years. Carlos isn’t gonna have a stranglehold on it like Fed, Pete or Djoker did I don’t think. Carlos even looked real shaky this year against tiafoe


Right now Hards are sinners playground. But that could easily change to grass too. He’s got a solid game for grass he just hasn’t delivered yet. But that can change quickly as soon as he wins that first one. Djoker didn’t do crap on grass until 2011. Then he owned it for the last 8 after more or less. If he didn’t run into Djoker 2 straight years he would already have a Wimbledon title chances are
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Djoker is the perfect example. Same with Rafa/Carlos and grass.

Sinner has been decent to good on grass. With his game progressing and his confidence through the roof, he will definitely make a legit run at WC in 25.

I do think 2026 is the year where he takes over on grass though. It is the one slam that will change the race. Sinner should be dominant on grass, so I am excited to see what he does next year on it.
 
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