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Don't you already do that with your threads, though? lolLol naming people will cause fights.
Don't you already do that with your threads, though? lolLol naming people will cause fights.
Not gonna go down that road. If you’re really so desperate to know I can message you or something.If he's so sure of what he's saying, he should back it up.
Nah, I'm good. Whoever they are I obviously don't agree with their assessment. I consider that a choke from Roddick anyway.Not gonna go down that road. If you’re really so desperate to know I can message you or something.
People... think this?I know that there are at least a couple of Federer fans on this forum who think that the QF victory against Roddick in 2008 is Djokovic’s 2nd or 3rd best career performance at USO.
I feel like people underrate 2018 USO just for the sake of it.
Three or four players probably at least around the 2008 Djokovic level.
2008 4th round 5 setter with Robredo and QF Roddick who choked with 2 consecutive DFs serving for the 4th set should somehow speak highly of 2008 Novak... Talk about romanticizing the past.
Nah, I'm good. Whoever they are I obviously don't agree with their assessment. I consider that a choke from Roddick anyway.
I want it to stick to tennis and not get personal though.Don't you already do that with your threads, though? lol
In Djokovic's draw? Come on. Del Potro was arguably Roddick level at best, rest were worse.
Maybe but i think the debates with Federer fans have made him hold back.If he's so sure of what he's saying, he should back it up.
Better than 2018 Delpo definitely. I'd say better than 2018 Nadal too.How do you compare 2008 Novak to 2018 Novak, Thiem, Nadal and Delpo.
What would consider the best Djokovic USO performaces?
Not in his half. I'm thinking Thiem, Nadal, Delpo and 2018 Djokovic.
2020 USO also no. 2010 USO Djokovic sucked big time throughout the whole tournament. He should have lost to Troicki in the 1 round, then he was struggling against Petzschner a round later, in the SF he got pas through a below par, out of form, choking Federer, and was going into the final that year probably feeling like a pig before the Christmas holidays. No chance that Djokovic is beating nor Zverev, nor Thiem nor Careno Busta. No way...The way I see it:
2017 AO - no
2017 RG - no
2017 W - outside chance, probably no
2017 USO - 30% chance, probably finds a way to choke
2018 AO - yes
2018 RG - probably no
2018 W - no
2018 USO - probably no, Nadal - Thiem QF level is out of his reach, Delpo is questionable, Djokovic played a smart final on cruise control, never in real danger.
2019 AO - no
2019 RG - probably no, but this one is interesting, as there would be no gruelling MC and Madrid.
2019 W - no
2019 USO - slim chance. I think 2007 >~ 2008 > 2009 Djokovic at USO. Can't see him beat both Medvedev and Nadal.
2020 AO - no
2020 RG - no
2020 W - /
2020 USO - generous 50/50. 2010 was on the verge of losing the 1st round, 2020 USO sucked.
2 is the best bet IMO.
Better than 2018 Delpo definitely. I'd say better than 2018 Nadal too.
2018 Novak was better, but not sure about Thiem. The latter wasn't up against anyone on the level of 2008 Fed.
Maybe because 2010 USO Djokovic was just awful.Can't believe people on here actually believe 2010 Djokovic will lose to either Thiem or Zverev. That's just bullocks!
IMO he'd have in the bag: 2018 AO and 2020 USO, no questions there.
RG 2018 is 50/50 and I reckon he's got a 66.66667% chance of winning USO 2017.
So all in all, it's 2-4 slams.
I can agree with Delpo accounting for the match up. With Nadal it's not a clear cut. Thiem fought till the very end. It should count for something compared to Give-up-ovic.
Perhaps, but then again, I don't think Thiem reaches a 5th set against 2008 Federer.I can agree with Delpo accounting for the match up. With Nadal it's not a clear cut. Thiem fought till the very end. It should count for something compared to Give-up-ovic.
The Thiemdal match is quite overrated. Either way they killed each other so Djokovic was spared extra difficulty, like Fred in AO 04 after Safin spent himself ousting Roddick and Agassi. Can't see del Slicero as all that, he reached the final easily but faced no one even on 2008 USO Roddick level and got exposed quite routinely in the final.
Do you really believe Thiem could give a better fight to in-form Fedr than Djokovic did?
2020 USO also no. 2010 USO Djokovic sucked big time throughout the whole tournament. He should have lost to Troicki in the 1 round, then he was struggling against Petzschner a round later, in the SF he got pas through a below par, out of form, choking Federer, and was going into the final that year probably feeling like a pig before the Christmas holidays. No chance that Djokovic is beating nor Zverev, nor Thiem nor Careno Busta. No way...
Perhaps, but then again, I don't think Thiem reaches a 5th set against 2008 Federer.
And 2008 Djokovic didn't really have Nadal's lows either. Who gets bageled by Thiem on a HC?
Like Thiem somehow didn't choke badly against Nadal?Well, 2008 Djoko kinda didn't reach the 4th. He checked out after that bad game at 5-5 in the 3rd.
Bagel or not, Thiem came out all guns blazing.
Like Thiem somehow didn't choke badly against Nadal?
I guess. But again, Thiem was up against a worse opponent than 2008 Djokovic was.Nadal weathered the storm in the 2nd. From that point it was anyone's game. Thiem did well to take it to the 5th. He kinda choked at the very end, it was not that bad. Much better than giving up after 2 hours of play.
2010 Djokovic could win the US Open 2017, US Open 2018, US Open 2019, but it's hard to know.
2010 Djokovic was pretty much a lock to win the US Open 2020.
I guess. But again, Thiem was up against a worse opponent than 2008 Djokovic was.
Well, Thiem wasn't exactly infallible at 2018 USO and against worse opponents than Novak's too.It shouldn't be an excuse not to give your best. And looking at 4R, QF and SF, his best was not all that impressive.
It shouldn't be an excuse not to give your best. And looking at 4R, QF and SF, his best was not all that impressive.
Late 2010 Djokovic was already at his peak and so, in principle, he would be the favorite to win the US Open 2017, US Open 2018 and US Open 2019.
Late 2010 Djokovic is evidently a lock to win the US Open 2020.
2007-2009 Djokovic could win the US Open 2020, but no chance at the 2017, 2018 and 2019 editions.
2008 Djokovic could also win the AO 2019 IMO. 2008 Djokovic was already a beast at the AO and 2019 Djokovic was pushed to 5 by Thiem.
What would consider the best Djokovic USO performaces?
But the wind was kinda around.2012 best if no wind.
But the wind was kinda around.
More than kinda in the final tbh.Kinda.
2nd best losing effort for USOvic.
2012
2007, 2008, 2010, 2013, 2014 not much between them.
2009 looked pathetic live, didn't watch it since.
2016 lol
2012 king of losers, 2008 a bit better than the rest.
Djokovic was better in USO 11/12/15/18 than 08. 07/09/10/13 similar to it maybe some a bit better or a bit worse.I feel like people underrate 2018 USO just for the sake of it. Three or four players probably at least around the 2008 Djokovic level. 2008 4th round 5 setter with Robredo and QF Roddick who choked with 2 consecutive DFs serving for the 4th set should somehow speak highly of 2008 Novak... Talk about romanticizing the past.
Djokovic was better in USO 11/12/15/18 than 08. 07/09/10/13/16 similar to it maybe some a bit better or a bit worse.
I was adding it for context to the little strawman about USO 08 Djokovic. I would say 16 was worse than 08 but some people might peg it similar.We shall not talk about 2016 in any shape or form, ok?
Nope.NONE
Fed is HPOTHETICAL GOAT
Well, 2008 Roddick was still better than old man Youzhny.I'd take 2013 Wawrinka win over
2008 Roddick. In fact, 1R - QF he was better by a good margin in 2013. Hard to say for SF. Too bad he imploded in the final like a nobody.
Well, 2008 Roddick was still better than old man Youzhny.
Djokovic really should've won the USO in 2007. Too bad he had to face a more experienced opponent in the final and he choked all the set points he had. At least the year after that he got his revenge.Don't think Nadal was anything special in 2017 USO, he was just the only top player in semi good form. In 2007 USO Novak went toe-to-toe with peak Fed who was in excellent form that tourney.
Novak was going through serve yips in 2009/2010 which is why I'm not sure he'd win a slam regardless of the field/draw, he was just too vulnerable.
Triple Calendar Slam while swatting aside Fedal like flies