How many slams 'peak' Wawrinka would win in 2004-07?

How many slams would Wawrinka win had he peaked in 2004-07?

  • 0

    Votes: 39 73.6%

  • 1

    Votes: 6 11.3%

  • 2

    Votes: 5 9.4%

  • 3

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 4+

    Votes: 3 5.7%
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Druss

Druss

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Wawrinka's best years were 2013-16 winning 3 slams and 1 Masters. Had he peaked in 2004-07, how many slams would he have managed? Replace his 2013 with 2004 and so on until 2016 vs 2007.

I have him at 0. I just can't seem him beating peak Nadal at RG, that's mute. Perhaps 2004 RG I give him a 1 in 3 chance, but then again his 2013 version on clay wasn't exactly on fire.

Grass being his weakest surface there is no way he'd get a sniff at Wimbledon.

His best chance would be at the AO. 2014 was probably his best version and pitting him in 2005 I still can't see him going past Federer or Safin on Rebound Ace. With Federer being his worst match-up outside of clay, can't even beat him post-prime, it's hard to fathom how he could beat Fed at the other AOs and USO tournaments.

So I'm glad he peaked in the years 2013-16, otherwise poor guy would be regarded as another 'weak-era' mug.
 
Wawrinka, Ferrer, Berdych were fringe players in the prior decade, hovering around the #15 rank , kind of like what Jack Sock , Kevin Anderson, Sam Querrey are doing today.

Imagine Sock, Anderson winning majors 4 years from now.. That is what happened in the last few years.
 
tennisaddict said:
Wawrinka, Ferrer, Berdych were fringe players in the prior decade, hovering around the #15 rank , kind of like what Jack Sock , Kevin Anderson, Sam Querrey are doing today.

Imagine Sock, Anderson winning majors 4 years from now.. That is what happened in the last few years.
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I can't believe you're saying that #15 in the world is a "fringe player". Good lord.
 
Wawrinka won a slam because nadal let him win AO, giving him confidence and then djokovic let him win 2 more.

The only person fed slipped up and let be a slam champion was del potro although arguably he was that talented that he was always going to be one anyway and would likely be a multi slam champion if not for injuries. Del potrol was hyped for greatness even as a junior.

So in 2004-2007 fed was crrushing everyone and not letting them be a slam champ. No way in jeffrey does federer allow wawrinka to be a slam champion. So 0 is the answer. Saffin, aggassi, hewitt, roddick would not allow him either
 
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Druss said:
Wawrinka's best years were 2013-16 winning 3 slams and 1 Masters. Had he peaked in 2004-07, how many slams would he have managed? Replace his 2013 with 2004 and so on until 2016 vs 2007.

I have him at 0. I just can't seem him beating peak Nadal at RG, that's mute. Perhaps 2004 RG I give him a 1 in 3 chance, but then again his 2013 version on clay wasn't exactly on fire.

Grass being his weakest surface there is no way he'd get a sniff at Wimbledon.

His best chance would be at the AO. 2014 was probably his best version and pitting him in 2005 I still can't see him going past Federer or Safin on Rebound Ace. With Federer being his worst match-up outside of clay, can't even beat him post-prime, it's hard to fathom how he could beat Fed at the other AOs and USO tournaments.

So I'm glad he peaked in the years 2013-16, otherwise poor guy would be regarded as another 'weak-era' mug.
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merlinpinpin said:
Zero. Seriously, not a chance he wins one in the "weak era". He had to play in the "strongest of the strong eras" to be able to steal one. Sorry, two. Or three. Whatever.
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tennisaddict said:
Wawrinka, Ferrer, Berdych were fringe players in the prior decade, hovering around the #15 rank , kind of like what Jack Sock , Kevin Anderson, Sam Querrey are doing today.

Imagine Sock, Anderson winning majors 4 years from now.. That is what happened in the last few years.
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All good points.

Many 'recent' tennis fans don't realize that the so called 'weak-era of 04-07' appears that way bc Fedr did NOT allow it to be stronger. It was absolute domination!

When a potential-ATG like Safin, who owns Sampras, says that Federer makes others look like they don't know how to play tennis.... that's a some serious compliment!

Hewitt was once asked did he feel like he was closing the gap with Federer. It was after a beatdown by Federer (USO finals I think), and Hewitt was world #2, Federer #1. Hewitt said that he knows he's world #2 atm, but the distance to #1 feels too too far.

Federer almost double bageled Murray at the WTF recently, but didn't really wanna embarrass him more in front of his home crowd. So it went 6-0 6-1.

I mean an after prime Federer bageled a prime/peak Djokovic at Cincinnati 2012. It was HC. No matter WHAT tournament, someone as good as Djokovic should NEVER let that happen!

He didn't have a choice... :oops:
 
Everyone picked zero...I'll say 1 if he was in the zone at AO '04/'05. No way to be proven wrong at least

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Red Rick said:
That's the one maybe.

Cause he ain't taking down Federer on HC (he has yet to do so vs an older Fed, and vs peak Nadal it's not happening
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Would be riveting though, the peaks of the two beasts, Stan vs Safin, clashing at the same time for would be mouth-watering and hard to predict. Personally, would have to favour the conqueror of the Swiss no 1.
 
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Druss said:
Wawrinka's best years were 2013-16 winning 3 slams and 1 Masters. Had he peaked in 2004-07, how many slams would he have managed? Replace his 2013 with 2004 and so on until 2016 vs 2007.

I have him at 0. I just can't seem him beating peak Nadal at RG, that's mute. Perhaps 2004 RG I give him a 1 in 3 chance, but then again his 2013 version on clay wasn't exactly on fire.

Grass being his weakest surface there is no way he'd get a sniff at Wimbledon.

His best chance would be at the AO. 2014 was probably his best version and pitting him in 2005 I still can't see him going past Federer or Safin on Rebound Ace. With Federer being his worst match-up outside of clay, can't even beat him post-prime, it's hard to fathom how he could beat Fed at the other AOs and USO tournaments.

So I'm glad he peaked in the years 2013-16, otherwise poor guy would be regarded as another 'weak-era' mug.
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Peak Wawa would have crashed Gaudio, but not a Coria from that year not choking. Maybe also beat 2005 Nadal. And that’s it.
 
Aitkers said:
Wawrinka won a slam because nadal let him win AO, giving him confidence and then djokovic let him win 2 more.

The only person fed slipped up and let be a slam champion was del potro although arguably he was that talented that he was always going to be one anyway and would likely be a multi slam champion if not for injuries. Del potrol was hyped for greatness even as a junior.

So in 2004-2007 fed was crrushing everyone and not letting them be a slam champ. No way in jeffrey does federer allow wawrinka to be a slam champion. So 0 is the answer. Saffin, aggassi, hewitt, roddick would not allow him either
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I disagree, Wawrinka bossed and destroyed Nadal off the court. He is called Stanimal for a reason. When he hammers from the baseline, he is borderline impossible to deal with.

This is not the first time Nadal has been embarrassed in a HC slam. See AO 2008, USO 2009 for similar examples (tall powerful hammering HC players blowing Nadal off the court).

Against Djokovic, 2016 USO, Djokovic was clearly declining. No idea about 2015 FO.
 
fedfan39 said:
I disagree, Wawrinka bossed and destroyed Nadal off the court. He is called Stanimal for a reason. When he hammers from the baseline, he is borderline impossible to deal with.

This is not the first time Nadal has been embarrassed in a HC slam. See AO 2008, USO 2009 for similar examples (tall powerful hammering HC players blowing Nadal off the court).

Against Djokovic, 2016 USO, Djokovic was clearly declining. No idea about 2015 FO.
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He hammers from the baseline when his opponent is giving him the fat targets (that's what Djokovic has done in all of their matches), but when he's rushed, his movement is exposed and suddenly he finds it to hard to set up himself properly for his shots.
Compare his match against Federer at the USO 2015 to any of his encounters in Majors with Djokovic and you'll see the difference. The former doesn't allow him to find his range, the later is feeding him with the attackable balls all the time.
 
I agree with titoelcolombiano, his only chance would've been the 2004 FO. There was no Rafa and Federer was still not an elite clay court player, but I don't see him beating Roger anywhere else, and he is not beating Nadal in clay/grass Majors either.
 
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Sudacafan said:
Peak Wawa would have crashed Gaudio, but not a Coria from that year not choking. Maybe also beat 2005 Nadal. And that’s it.
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Gaudio was playing some stellar tennis that FO actually, I think people underrate his run there because Coria lost his mind in the final. He smoked Nalbo and Hewitt in SF/QF.

I don't see Stan getting past him without a 5 setter.
 
fedfan39 said:
I disagree, Wawrinka bossed and destroyed Nadal off the court. He is called Stanimal for a reason. When he hammers from the baseline, he is borderline impossible to deal with.

This is not the first time Nadal has been embarrassed in a HC slam. See AO 2008, USO 2009 for similar examples (tall powerful hammering HC players blowing Nadal off the court).

Against Djokovic, 2016 USO, Djokovic was clearly declining. No idea about 2015 FO.
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Yeah i dont disagree. Im saying nadal failed to stop him. Fed 2004-2007 would not fail. A heavily declined fed wouldnt even lose to wawrinka in a slam final. Nadal allowed wawrinka to be slam champion
 
FHtennisman said:
Would be riveting though, the peaks of the two beasts, Stan vs Safin, clashing at the same time for would be mouth-watering and hard to predict. Personally, would have to favour the conqueror of the Swiss no 1.
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Easy there. Wawrinka would still need to beat both Hewitt and Roddick, both of whom were in terrific form, just to get to the final.
 
Sudacafan said:
Peak Wawa would have crashed Gaudio, but not a Coria from that year not choking. Maybe also beat 2005 Nadal. And that’s it.
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2014 Wawa is not beating 2005 Nadal at RG, not a chance, he lost to Garcia-Lopez out of all people! It's a possibility he'd have Gaudio's number at RG 04, but then again, Stan in 2013 struggled to get to the QF there, had an epic 5 setter vs Gasquet in R4 before getting dissected by Nadal.
 
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Slam wins for Wawrinka from 2004-2007. Let's break this down:

Consider that Wawrinka is 0-16 vs Federer for his career away from clay.

AO: 0 wins. Fed won 3 outright. There was no stopping him. Safin would have picked him apart in 2005 if Fed didn't get to him first.
FO: Nadal takes him out 3 times. Stan in 2004 would have had to deal with Gaudio, Coria, or Kuerten. This one is Stan's best shot. But this is far from a slam-dunk.
Wimby: Stan is weak on grass. Fed swept all of these anyway. Stan gets shut out here.
USO: Once again, Fed was in beast mode. I think Roddick could have taken Stan. But either way, nobody was stopping Fed here

I give Stan a shot the FO in 2004. Stan maybe takes 1 slam during this time frame.

Peak Stan maybe gets 1 slam from 2004-2007. But Stan would have to be in beast mode in 2004.

Since I am a fan of Stan, I'll round up and say 1 slam for peak-Stan during this time frame.
 
"Peak" Wawa wins them all. But peak doesnt occur very often for him. He can blast anyone off the court. He is like safin with a 1h
 
tennisaddict said:
He can blast Djokovic and Murray. Not a healthy Nadal. Not an injured Federer.
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Nadal would be no issue, stan hits through slow at peak. Fed maybe if he was serving good. He was still using the little racket though, would be shank city against stans power.

This is under the assumtion stan is peak and others arent. Guy is no slouch, he just doesnt play consistent day in day out
 
Chadillac said:
Nadal would be no issue, stan hits through slow at peak. Fed maybe if he was serving good. He was still using the little racket though, would be shank city against stans power.

This is under the assumtion stan is peak and others arent. Guy is no slouch, he just doesnt play consistent day in day out
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Nadal was not fit that AO final. Nadal was not losing to Stan otherwise at that juncture.

Stan can beat Fed at clay or a 35+ Fed on slow HC. He has no prayers for beating 2004-07 Fed.

It is no different than expecting Berdych or Ferrer to beat 2004-09 Fed at majors.
 
tennisaddict said:
Nadal was not fit that AO final. Nadal was not losing to Stan otherwise at that juncture.

Stan can beat Fed at clay or a 35+ Fed on slow HC. He has no prayers for beating 2004-07 Fed.

It is no different than expecting Berdych or Ferrer to beat 2004-09 Fed at majors.
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After seeing hit bh winners around the net vs the most dominate player in history (djok), i think our "peaks" arent aligned. Its a very elastic term. Stan can hit any shot, peak means he makes them all. Since he did that in his peak matches
 
Chadillac said:
After seeing hit bh winners around the net vs the most dominate player in history (djok), i think our "peaks" arent aligned. Its a very elastic term. Stan can hit any shot, peak means he makes them all. Since he did that in his peak matches
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That's the thing about 'peak'.

Yes, Nadal, Djokovic, & Wawrinka's peaks are amazing.

But Federer's peak? He's UNPLAYABLE. He has bageled the rest of the Big5. 2007 Hamburg vs. Nadal on clay (all 3 surfaces actually), 2012 Cinci vs. Djokovic on HC , 2012 Shanghai vs. Wawrinka, 2014 WTF vs. Murray indoors in front of his home crowd. Fed wasn't even at his peak in all of them.

At peak, his service games often end with 4 aces/service winners combo. If his opponent is lucky? It would end with his next shot, the fearhand.

The other Big5 are great at peak. But even they won't be allowed to play when Federer is peak. Soderling has said that after playing the Big3, and lose, but felt that he did great. Against Federer, he said he just felt like Federer made him play bad.

At peak, Federer.. is.. simply.. unplayable.. :cool:
 
oldmanfan said:
That's the thing about 'peak'.

Yes, Nadal, Djokovic, & Wawrinka's peaks are amazing.

But Federer's peak? He's UNPLAYABLE. He has bageled the rest of the Big5. 2007 Hamburg vs. Nadal on clay (all 3 surfaces actually), 2012 Cinci vs. Djokovic on HC , 2012 Shanghai vs. Wawrinka, 2014 WTF vs. Murray indoors in front of his home crowd. Fed wasn't even at his peak in all of them.

At peak, his service games often end with 4 aces/service winners combo. If his opponent is lucky? It would end with his next shot, the fearhand.

The other Big5 are great at peak. But even they won't be allowed to play when Federer is peak. Soderling has said that after playing the Big3, and lose, but felt that he did great. Against Federer, he said he just felt like Federer made him play bad.

At peak, Federer.. is.. simply.. unplayable.. :cool:
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Only stan gets the "peak" in this debate. Like going godmode in doom (old video game).

Karlovic peak maybe the greatest, slapping return winners and already unreturnable. Stans highest lvl is really up there with his power and placement.

His balls dont slow down as much after the bounce, can see fast players look slow against him when hanging back (fed does same, steals time)
 
Chadillac said:
Only stan gets the "peak" in this debate. Like going godmode in doom (old video game).

Karlovic peak maybe the greatest, slapping return winners and already unreturnable. Stans highest lvl is really up there with his power and placement.

His balls dont slow down as much after the bounce, can see fast players look slow against him when hanging back (fed does same, steals time)
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Fair enough in this scenario of only Stan peaking. Since we're talking yrs 2004-07, I can see 'peak' Stan having good chances against Rafa/Novak/Andy (they allow him time to set up). But the edge still goes to Federer vs. Stan. 04-07 Fed is prime/peak basically all the time. He only really loses to Nadal. 04-07 Fed still has the edge (maybe on clay too) or even heavy favorite against Stan bc waaaay post-prime Fed spanked Stan in USO15 SF. Stan still has a chance bc peak, but not much. :p
 
Druss said:
Wawrinka's best years were 2013-16 winning 3 slams and 1 Masters. Had he peaked in 2004-07, how many slams would he have managed? Replace his 2013 with 2004 and so on until 2016 vs 2007.

I have him at 0. I just can't seem him beating peak Nadal at RG, that's mute. Perhaps 2004 RG I give him a 1 in 3 chance, but then again his 2013 version on clay wasn't exactly on fire.

Grass being his weakest surface there is no way he'd get a sniff at Wimbledon.

His best chance would be at the AO. 2014 was probably his best version and pitting him in 2005 I still can't see him going past Federer or Safin on Rebound Ace. With Federer being his worst match-up outside of clay, can't even beat him post-prime, it's hard to fathom how he could beat Fed at the other AOs and USO tournaments.

So I'm glad he peaked in the years 2013-16, otherwise poor guy would be regarded as another 'weak-era' mug.
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Fascinating "what if?". Would be interesting to go through the draws of those majors and see what sort of runs he would have had.
 
Chadillac said:
Nadal would be no issue, stan hits through slow at peak. Fed maybe if he was serving good. He was still using the little racket though, would be shank city against stans power.

This is under the assumtion stan is peak and others arent. Guy is no slouch, he just doesnt play consistent day in day out
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Roger Federer with the old racquet had more variety and Stan would find it even more difficult. Stan has match up problems with Roger irrespective of the racquet. He is yet to beat Roger in a HC.
 
Feather said:
Roger Federer with the old racquet had more variety and Stan would find it even more difficult. Stan has match up problems with Roger irrespective of the racquet. He is yet to beat Roger in a HC.
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That fed was losing to rafa, remember shank city? No one talking about his bh now a days, but it was weaker in 2004. He hits a better ball today, had to work harder with old racket but skill was there.
 
Chadillac said:
That fed was losing to rafa, remember shank city? No one talking about his bh now a days, but it was weaker in 2004. He hits a better ball today, had to work harder with old racket but skill was there.
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Federer shanked way less than he does in this decade with his old racquet, specially on he FH side. His BH was exploited on clay by only one player who happened to have one of the greatest and heaviest forehands in history (which Stan doesn't even come close to). With the new racquet, he essentially lost the killer FH he had to hit through his opponent's defense. This is not even counting he was faster and defended better in his 20's.
 
Well can understand such threads made by fed fans to hype up Fed 03-07 and undermine Djoker.. But
1.Djoker had beaten Fed at 2008 Australian Open. Fedfans say had Mono rite? Then Djokovic had bleeding toe in US Open at 2016 US final.
2. Djokovic was 28 yr old when Stan defeated him at French Open,, even Fed was 28 year old when he got Beaten by Soderling at french 2010.
3.Djoker was 27 when got beaten by Stan at AO and Fed ws 28 when got beaten by Del Porto at US Open..
So its even ;)
 
maratha_warrior said:
Well can understand such threads made by fed fans to hype up Fed 03-07 and undermine Djoker.. But
1.Djoker had beaten Fed at 2008 Australian Open. Fedfans say had Mono rite? Then Djokovic had bleeding toe in US Open at 2016 US final.
2. Djokovic was 28 yr old when Stan defeated him at French Open,, even Fed was 28 year old when he got Beaten by Soderling at french 2010.
3.Djoker was 27 when got beaten by Stan at AO and Fed ws 28 when got beaten by Del Porto at US Open..
So its even ;)
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It has nothing to do with Djokovic and all to do with Stan. The fact of the matter is Federer matched up better with Stan than Djokovic did. Same deal with Djokovic matching up better with Nadal than Federer, and Hewitt/Roddick matching up better against Nadal than against Federer.
 
Sabratha said:
It has nothing to do with Djokovic and all to do with Stan. The fact of the matter is Federer matched up better with Stan than Djokovic did. Same deal with Djokovic matching up better with Nadal than Federer, and Hewitt/Roddick matching up better against Nadal than against Federer.
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Well there r many fedfans who think peak stan is better than Djoker bcoz of 2-0 Slam final wins.. And dat Djoker is Stans pigeon .
 
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