How many slams 'peak' Wawrinka would win in 2004-07?
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abmk
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Well can understand such threads made by fed fans to hype up Fed 03-07 and undermine Djoker.. But
1.Djoker had beaten Fed at 2008 Australian Open. Fedfans say had Mono rite? Then Djokovic had bleeding toe in US Open at 2016 US final.
2. Djokovic was 28 yr old when Stan defeated him at French Open,, even Fed was 28 year old when he got Beaten by Soderling at french 2010.
3.Djoker was 27 when got beaten by Stan at AO and Fed ws 28 when got beaten by Del Porto at US Open..
So its even
mono vs bleeding toenail ? really ? djoko was perfectly fine in the first 3 sets. bleeding toenail only came up in the 4th set .Stan beat him fair and square. Accept it and move on.
and lets not forget :
Djoko vs Nishi in USO 14
vs Murray in USO 12
vs Murray in Wim 13
djoko RG 15 is equivalent to fed RG 09 - fed beat a red hot delpo there in the semi, didn't lose, and won RG unlike djoko losing a red hot stan.
there's a pretty good chance sod 10 QF form (aka GOATing form) also beats 16 djoko at RG
10 RG fed beats 16 berdych,thiem and murray to win RG.
AiRFederer
Hall of Fame
Lol now youre just making stuff up.
C
Chadillac
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Sure, Rafa and Stan are similar players
Equal pressure to the bh on exchanges. Stan is more of threat to come in, ace or slap a fh if he hits down middle.
Fed plays loose vs rafa now, no threat aside from ball on the T.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Why shud I alter their Ages just bcoz u want it huh?? Djoker and Fed bother were 28 when got beaten by Stan and soderling At French Open respectively.. And if ur Fed 2010 wins 2016RG den 2015-16Djoker beats Fed 2009 at RG. Haha
If Djoker was fit and fine at US open 2016 den fed was fit and fine at 2008 AO.. Accept it and move on
abmk
Bionic Poster
Why shud I alter their Ages just bcoz u want it huh?? Djoker and Fed bother were 28 when got beaten by Stan and soderling At French Open respectively.. And if ur Fed 2010 wins 2016RG den 2015-16Djoker beats Fed 2009 at RG. Haha
If Djoker was fit and fine at US open 2016 den fed was fit and fine at 2008 AO.. Accept it and move on
Djokovic had just turned 28 a few days before 2015 RG.
Federer was around 28 years 10 months at the time of 2010 RG, that's much closer to 29 years than 28 years. That's not altering their ages. that's looking at it realistically.
a 6 year difference in those respective slams is better way of looking at it.
if 15 djoker can't beat 15 stan, what makes you think he'd necessarily beat 09 fed ? just wishful thinking ?
Simiarly ........if 11 djoker couldn't beat 11 fed .......
yeah, a bleeding toenail in the 4th set (a minor hindrance) vs a sickness that affects over several days. yeah, great equivalence. are you for real ?
Peak Wawrinka doesn't even exist against old Federer outside of clay. Federer simply never allows him to play his game. Some forget how difficult hard hitters found it back then against him and lots of players tried in that period to blow him off the court and failed. I give Wawrinka 0 because I think the field was too deep to let him play his game the whole slam in the one or 2 chances he would get in the absence of Federer.
metsman
Talk Tennis Guru
Seriously. Off clay, Wawrinka can't even beat an old Federer who is more prone than ever to getting blown off the court by a power player. That's pretty damning.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Djokovic had just turned 28 a few days before 2015 RG.
Federer was around 28 years 10 months at the time of 2010 RG, that's much closer to 29 years than 28 years. That's not altering their ages. that's looking at it realistically.
a 6 year difference in those respective slams is better way of looking at it.
if 15 djoker can't beat 15 stan, what makes you think he'd necessarily beat 09 fed ? just wishful thinking ?
Simiarly ........if 11 djoker couldn't beat 11 fed .......
yeah, a bleeding toenail in the 4th set (a minor hindrance) vs a sickness that affects over several days. yeah, great equivalence. are you for real ?
Well If fedfans don't respect other ATG den they will get the deserved treatment. I don't care for months difference.. I know both were aged 28 officially wen got beaten by Stan and Soderling.
If 28 yr old Djoker ws beaten by Stan in 2015 den 28yr old fed ws beaten by Baby 19 yr old Delpo in US Open final too
abmk
Bionic Poster
Well If fedfans don't respect other ATG den they will get the deserved treatment. I don't care for months difference.. I know both were aged 28 officially wen got beaten by Stan and Soderling.
If 28 yr old Djoker ws beaten by Stan in 2015 den 28yr old fed ws beaten by Baby 19 yr old Delpo in US Open final too
it doesn't matter whether you care. What matters is the reality. the months do matter.
Officially, djokovic was 28 years and a few days old when beaten by stan in 2015 RG.
Officially, federer was nearly 28 years and 10 months old when beaten by soderling in 2010 RG.
stating and showing federer was more consistent/better in slams at his prime (which is the reality) is not disrespecting djokovic.
delpo was about 20 years 11 months at the time of USO 2009. would turn 21 on Sep 23rd, 2009.
that was delpo's best year. baby delpo ? yeah, ok. and then you crib that fed fans disrespect other ATGs.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Are you sure? We are talking about the just turned 19 year old Nadal from 2005, the one playing his first RG. The one that not even a journeyman Puerta took a set from him in the final. Not the Nadal from 2006 onwards.
Dilexson
Hall of Fame
Except Fed had a career slam going into 2010 FO. Had 5/5 finals record heading to USO 2009 (not to mention breaking Pete's record just a few months ago) he was bound to lose one sooner or later.Well If fedfans don't respect other ATG den they will get the deserved treatment. I don't care for months difference.. I know both were aged 28 officially wen got beaten by Stan and Soderling.
If 28 yr old Djoker ws beaten by Stan in 2015 den 28yr old fed ws beaten by Baby 19 yr old Delpo in US Open final too
Pray tell how many FO's Nole had before facing Stan in RG 15? The point here is between Fed and Djoker , one guy brought his best when he had an opening at the FO. Other one turned passive in the middle of the final and lost.
junior74
Bionic Poster
0. No chance. And I am a huge fan of The Swiss Lion!
I am quite sure he is now The Finnish Lion, which makes me very sad
Stan was extremely unlucky to get injured in 2017. He was semi-injured from the get go, and still managed to reach AO SF and RG F. Would have had a really good chance at defending his US Open title, and could also have won WTF. Well, well. Health is everything.
I am quite sure he is now The Finnish Lion, which makes me very sad
Stan was extremely unlucky to get injured in 2017. He was semi-injured from the get go, and still managed to reach AO SF and RG F. Would have had a really good chance at defending his US Open title, and could also have won WTF. Well, well. Health is everything.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
If I want I can say Fed beat 0 Slam winners to win that RG 09. And Novak had to beat 3 Slam winners (Rafa Andy Stan) in Quarters Semis n Finals in dat RG 15. But i will never say that.
But wen Fedfans can say dat Fed2010 Beats Djoker at RG 16 easily den they will get d deserved reply.
Dilexson
Hall of Fame
bolded 1 : Get your facts straight, Delpo won USO the same year and he played one hell of a match in that sf. Could have been the winner that year if not for Fed being clutch in the 5th set.
Bolded 2 : who said that? When?
abmk
Bionic Poster
I didn't say fed Rg 10 would beat djoko rg16, let alone easily.
Read again, I said he would beat Berdych/thiem/murray in rg 16, just like djoko did.
I also said if it was djoko Rg 16 vs Soderling in goating form in rg 10 (the version that federer faced), djoko could very well lose.
if you want to make up your own stories, that's your problem.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Stan is not beating 2005 Nadal on clay.
FHtennisman
Professional
Agreed there, hence why I said 0 slams and possibly 0 finals too.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
Talk Tennis Guru
About the same number the 'Murican Virus would win in 2010s.
In b4 someone says he'd actually be a multiple Wimbledon champion or something like that.
In b4 someone says he'd actually be a multiple Wimbledon champion or something like that.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
4 CYGS.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Fed was closer to 29 than 28 when Soderling beat him. You're basically comparing a Fed loss in 2010, one of his poorest seasons to a Djoko loss in 2015, his best season. Poor comparison.Well can understand such threads made by fed fans to hype up Fed 03-07 and undermine Djoker.. But
1.Djoker had beaten Fed at 2008 Australian Open. Fedfans say had Mono rite? Then Djokovic had bleeding toe in US Open at 2016 US final.
2. Djokovic was 28 yr old when Stan defeated him at French Open,, even Fed was 28 year old when he got Beaten by Soderling at french 2010.
3.Djoker was 27 when got beaten by Stan at AO and Fed ws 28 when got beaten by Del Porto at US Open..
So its even
mike danny
Bionic Poster
No, Stan is full proof that peak Djokovic is not as complete and as unplayable as many of his fans want us to believe. Even he has weaknesses.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Yes, 28 year old Fed was beaten by 20 year old Delpo in a slam final.Well If fedfans don't respect other ATG den they will get the deserved treatment. I don't care for months difference.. I know both were aged 28 officially wen got beaten by Stan and Soderling.
If 28 yr old Djoker ws beaten by Stan in 2015 den 28yr old fed ws beaten by Baby 19 yr old Delpo in US Open final too
You can't use a certain age and say a player was playing the same way every time. That's like saying 29 year old Djoker was playing as well at 2017 AO as he did at 2016 RG.
There is no matchup, Federer just owns those fringe players at majors, he is too good.
Look at Fed's h2h vs Murray, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin,Delpo, Cilic. Wawrinka at majors. It's crazy, so they would at best win 1-2 major. Probably due to one fluke win vs Fed like Safin or Delpo did it once.
As good as peak Djokovic is, Federer is even slightly better. At least versus the field Federer is much better than Djokovic even if Nole is a tough matchup for him.
Also Djokovic in 11-14 was peak too. So, peak Djokovic lost to old Fed twice and he lost to Nishikori. He lost three times to Wawrinka and twice versus Murray. He also lost versus Nadal at USO. Nole also was 4 match points away from losing to Fed twice more and twice more Wawrinka pushed him to five.
Not bad, peak Nole is amazing, but peak Fed is even better. Peak Fed lost to Kuerten and Nadal on clay, which is no shame and he lost once vs Safin and still had match points vs Safin.
Sorry, Djokovic fans, as good as Djokovic was, Federer is even better and the numbers confirm that.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
RG 2004, RG 2005, RG 2006 and RG 2007.
D
Deleted member 716271
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Definitely 05, 06, 07. But I think He would have been knocked off by Fed and/or Guga in 04 if not Gaudio
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
There are always matchups
I don't see why age matters, Djokovic peak was just when he was a bit older than Federer. Players don't have the same peak. Djokovic needed a bit later to reach his peak.Well can understand such threads made by fed fans to hype up Fed 03-07 and undermine Djoker.. But
1.Djoker had beaten Fed at 2008 Australian Open. Fedfans say had Mono rite? Then Djokovic had bleeding toe in US Open at 2016 US final.
2. Djokovic was 28 yr old when Stan defeated him at French Open,, even Fed was 28 year old when he got Beaten by Soderling at french 2010.
3.Djoker was 27 when got beaten by Stan at AO and Fed ws 28 when got beaten by Del Porto at US Open..
So its even
And Federer wasn't past his peak because of age, mostly it was because surfaces slowed down and his game became obsolete. Plus he got mono in 2008 which slowed him down a bit, he was losing to lesser players in 2008. Come one, he almost lost to Tipsarevic at AO 2008 lol.
But, ok if you are saying Fed was still peak till 2010, then fine, this just means Federer is still better, because he can sustain his peak for almost twice as long as Djokovic.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
fair point... thanks for taming my glutonyDefinitely 05, 06, 07. But I think He would have been knocked off by Fed and/or Guga in 04 if not Gaudio
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
Yup. Surprised people are going for AO because Stan would do even better against a choking Coria.
Yes they are, but that shouldn't matter versus players of lower tier. No excuses of losing to lower guys even if they are bad matchups.
Matchups only matter if two guys are almost equal in skills.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Peak Djokovic is not full proof at all.. He lacks the Forehand of Fed-Nadal . And they lack the Backhand that Novak has and Noone among them is full proof.
But some fedfans think Peak Stan is Daddy of Novak in slam finals then they need to be replied in the same tone. By giving them examples of Delpo Novak n Rafa .
Yes, Fed matches better versus the field than Djokodal. They don't have variety. Federer even in poor form would prevent Chung from goating and would never get beaten like that.
Or, we can simply say, Fed is just better.
I think Djokovic and Nadal are just bad matchups versus Federer, how else would you explain that he beats the same players than they have problems with?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
No one actually believes that. And whoever says that about Stan and Novak probably does it in response to a Fed hater.
No one will say Stan is Novak's daddy. Just a bad match-up.
Lol at Stan beating any versions of Nadal at RG. Has Stan even take a set from Nadal at RG?
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Well i am doing that bcoz officially both were 28.. And ppl infer that if Stan can beat peak Djoker in 2015 den Fed wud hv beaten Novak too in 2015-16 RG slams. And dat Novak shud hv never won RG.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
2009 Fed could have beaten 2015-2016 Novak at RG. 2010 hell naw.
Not all periods while aged 28 are equal. You have to take into account the tennis season, not the age.
28 year old Fed will always be 2009 Fed, not 2010 Fed.
Ok, Fed wasn't peak at age close to 29, Nole was, because Nole was even a bit later bloomer than Federer.
Players have different peaks. Wasn't Wawrinka even older than Nole when he beat him? So, past prime Wawrinka owns Nole if we use age logic?
Plus it was mostly mono and the surface change why Fed declined and not age. And they started using faster balls to further slow down the courts. I think they were bored of one guy winning too much and rivalries attract much more money.
Plus, how do you compare one fluke loss to Delpo in a close five setter to Wawrinka beating Nole 3 times and twice wasn't even close and of course Murray beating him.
Delpo loss seems like a total fluke.
It’s sad that we don’t have the technology to make a virtual Stanimal vs Safin match. That would be worth the price of admission.
Alfred Chicken
Rookie
It's also a shame that there's no video footage from their 2007 US Open encounter - if I recall correctly ("ro-clec-clic...my plums..."), one of young Stan's best performances at a Grand Slam, although Safin probably already had one foot prematurely in retirement even at that time.
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